Racism - It isn't dead

[aperson]

Re: Racism - It isn't dead

Racism ceases to exist when the concept of race ceases to exist.

End of discussion

[tsugomaru]

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Since you know, race is a concept that we make up.

Humans are humans, we are all the same race.

~Tsugomaru

[angel-d]

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When I saw this topic I immediately thought of the situation in Malaysia at the moment. Although what I am about to describe isn't racism in the way most people use it (people treating others in a derogatory way because of their race, usually associated with African-Americans) however it is possibly more shocking as it is on a much larger scale.

In Malaysia there are 3 major ethnic groups: Malay, Chinese and Indian. Although each group has been in Malaysia for a very long time, there is in fact a situation of large scale racism by the Malays against the Chinese and Indian. By law, no Chinese or Indian person can be in power of the country. For many types of business it is required that a Malay is a named shareholder or partner. There are also a number of benefits available to Malays which are not available to either the Chinese or Indian such as business tax breaks and monetary aid when purchasing houses.

Another case of racism in Malaysia concerns the police force which is a job reserved for the Malay. To illustrate the racism dealt out by the police I will use a story which is commonly used by Chinese and Indian Malaysians when describing the situation to a foreigner.
If a police patrol sees a Malay guy walking down the street at night, they will stop, pick him up and take him home. If the same patrol sees a Chinese guy walking at night, they will pick him up, question him and drop him back on the street. If they see an Indian guy, they will pick him up and drop him in Jail. This may sound like some kind of "English, Scottish, Irish guy" joke, but it is in fact 100% true.
Other examples of police discrimination include planting of drugs in Chinese and Indian cars during check point stops and obtaining bribes for "discovery" (aka creation) of law breaking on the road from Chinese and Indian Malaysians.

When reading this it is important to understand that there is much corruption within Malaysia, however most of it is directed towards negatively discrimination against Chinese and Indian Malaysians.

[Reach]

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Since you know, race is a concept that we make up.

Humans are humans, we are all the same race.

~Tsugomaru

Nice contradiction there.

Yes, race is a concept. However, applying the concept under the definition of 'race', we are not all the same race.

AP is right.

Racism isn't going anywhere.

[ToshX]

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Oh, it's going SOMEWHERE.

Notice how many famous people are now African-American compared to 50 years ago and how Hispanics are now treated poorly on a social level with other races? At least, it's better than it was not so long ago in America. The real racism people have to watch out for is the racism directed at the Hispanics.

[tsugomaru]

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Nice contradiction there.

Yes, race is a concept. However, applying the concept under the definition of 'race', we are not all the same race.

AP is right.

Racism isn't going anywhere.

It's not a contradiction. I stated it was something we made up. It is not by definition that Africans and Europeans are different races. Cats and dogs are different races.

Humans are still humans. Africans are humans. Europeans are humans.

Aside from that, I'm pretty sure we are on the same level of understanding.

~Tsugomaru

[Alucard XD]

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Racism, opinions of ones race: appearence, "PAST" actions, and culture. Back then, blacks were "called" savages, or curses of God (also an opinion), because of their native culture.The Europeans (mostly white) were Cruel to the Africans "A LONG TIME AGO". The africans at that time did have a reason to be mad at the Englishmen, which is why they revolted, but sadly lost. Todays africans and mexicans who had nothing to do with the wars blame the other people (whites mostly) for the past actions that had never delt any harm or offence (sinse their all dead, or old) because they are the same color of those who were harmed.

Summery, Every one today Black, Mexican, or Spanish, blame white people for something that never happened to them, and think they should be angry at them just because their ancesters fought against their ancesters, and our skin relativity towards theirs. That is why there is racism!

[Reach]

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It's not a contradiction. I stated it was something we made up. It is not by definition that Africans and Europeans are different races. Cats and dogs are different races.

Humans are still humans. Africans are humans. Europeans are humans.

Aside from that, I'm pretty sure we are on the same level of understanding.

~Tsugomaru

Yes it is a contradiction.

Look up the definition of race. You can't just start changing the definitions of words when making an argument and try to pass it off as valid.

'race' and 'human' are not the same thing. You are clearly confused here. Human, or Homosapien is a SPECIES. RACES are genetic divisions within a species where members of such races can interbreed with other races in the same species. It's a sub-species.

For the record, cats and dogs are different species, not races.


Yes, all races are still part of the genus Homo, and the species Sapien, but that doesn't mean we are all the same race...which exactly why people still play the race card.

And you can't say that race doesn't exist either, because really, we made up the word to fit our definition of the word, so of course it exists under the context it's being presented in.

I could personally give a rats ass about what 'race' someone is. I don't judge someone by what they look like. But that doesn't mean other people don't, and that doesn't mean there arn't subconscious stereotypes floating around in society.

[Ru']

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Racism towards any ethnic group isn't right. I've seen people say whites are the most racist, and we are, but we aren't the only racists out there. Some African-Americans use their skin color as an excuse sometimes. I read a story where a resturaunt that accidentally mixed up an African-Americans order got sued. The lady said "You messed up my order on purpose because I'm black!".
Whites need to learn that even though we have a large majority, we aren't the only people out there. With all of this going on a non-racist world is not coming anytime soon.

[hummerspike]

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But when a white person wants to show their anglo pride (not supremacy) it is frowned upon and called racist. Oh and Affirmative Action is also a load of crap.

Amen, and Amen... Isnt that what america is all about is the best man for the job? Affirmative Action goes against everything america is for.

[mithrilxadiminte]

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I have friends off all races. Asian, white, hispanic, black. Even indian and native american. I seriously don't see what the problem is with other races. I go to a school in a hicktown, so alot of people there wear the dixie flag. And alot of people see it as a racial sign. Most people, especially the ones i know, don't wear it like that. They're showing they're pride for being southern. Is there something so wrong with that? No. Hispanics wear their flag proudly. Native americans wear tribal jewelry. And it's seen as pride, but if a white wants to show the dixie flag it's a racial sign? That makes alot of sense. A few years back, my best friends little sister was being shunned because she was best friends with a black girl and a hispanic girl. 10 year olds. Being treated like that. HELLO? Our society has completely gone to hell. What Alucard said is right. This **** is all based on past events. It's a matter of what you've been taught and how you've been taught it. And how open your mind is to new things and ideas. If everyone were openminded, and took the time to look at all sides of an argument, or at least thing about them, this world would be alot more peaceful. So think about it. Look at the other sides of the argument. And think about how stupid it really is to judge someone by the way they look. Now judge yourself by the way you look. And i think you may be surprised to find out how much you actually find.

[ToshX]

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I don't judge someone by what they look like.

Everyone judges people by what they look like to some extent. Except, of course, fully blind people.

Really, it's a proven fact, there's nothing we can do about it.

@Mithril, if we weren't taught it, it'd just happen again, and it'd probably be worse this time. The fact that we are taught it also gives some people the idea that it's "okay" to feel that way.

Well, I'll be honest with you. You don't HAVE to like every race. Just don't open your mouth and cooperate with them anyway and we're all happy. That's the closest we're going to get to getting rid of racism. There's obviously no way to change the way people think to that extent.

So it's okay on a social level to talk about racism but it's not okay to talk about something that applies to a bigger amount of people such as, say, masturbation?

God, what the hell is up with that?

[aperson]

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Everyone judges people by what they look like to some extent. Except, of course, fully blind people.

They judge people on stratifiable differences. What if some completely random trait like eyebrow thickness became a marker of class: Those with thicker eyebrows are seen as above those without them. Would there be a massive problem of eyebrowism? Yes, because the concept of eyebrow stratification exists.

But, we don't notice that difference because it isn't perceived as a social concept: People are only judged on traits which are sociologically 'visible.' What is 'visible' is usually defined by history and power struggles (i.e. the subjugation of blacks is based on slavery and slave-trading). There is no reason that race has to be one of these sociologically visible concepts. If it is no longer visible, people are no longer evaluated in that regard.

[Vests]

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In all reality when has racism stopped existing? We still have white supremisists, we still have african americans that believe white people are "The man". You can't be stupid and think that racism has ever stopped. That just doesn't make sense, I mean how many crimes are commited by blacks opposed to whites per capitia? If I were to say that outside, I'd be considered a racist. Because obviously the white man is trying to bring down the black man by incarcerating them in the prison system.

You can't sit here and wonder why racism still exists. Jesus, sometimes I wonder about people.

[ToshX]

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Oh, I'm sure we all know very well why it exists.

@AP That's a nice idea that I've never really thought about in that way, but it's pretty much impossible to do something about it when looking at it that way. Then again, it's pretty impossible to do something about it looking any way.