Unique Synthesis Techniques.

**midnghtraver** · 04-7-2011, 02:53 PM

Re: Unique Synthesis Techniques.

The hi hat thing is cool, lots of filtery goodness going on in there. I'm just not sure how you'd use that in a song.

This is a synth I made on accident when I was bored as hell one day, thought it was kinda cool so I uploaded it

http://sectramusic.com/2010/10/30/new-synth/

**jakeyjake7** · 04-7-2011, 02:59 PM

Re: Unique Synthesis Techniques.

Originally posted by midnghtraver

The hi hat thing is cool, lots of filtery goodness going on in there. I'm just not sure how you'd use that in a song.

Oh, you'd be surprised how much I could use that in a song.

Also, neat little synth. Nice funky feel to it.

**championanwar** · 04-7-2011, 03:05 PM

Re: Unique Synthesis Techniques.

IT'S NOT A HI HAT, IT'S A RIDE! ):<

I like this a lot, this will be less of a critique and more of a question:
I was just wondering, seeing as you use LFOs, and quite a few of them- would you maybe know how to make vocal/formants with a single one shot sound? It's something I've wanted to look into for a while but have never really got into, even basic shapes like saw waves etc. . Sort of a lead on from what I heard from your sound.

Oh and there seems to be a bass surge or something at the end which "distorted" it at then end, dunno if it's my old sound system, I just picked that up at then end.

Awesome stuff Jake.

**midnghtraver** · 04-7-2011, 03:10 PM

Re: Unique Synthesis Techniques.

Originally posted by championanwar

IT'S NOT A HI HAT, IT'S A RIDE! ):<

I like this a lot, this will be less of a critique and more of a question:
I was just wondering, seeing as you use LFOs, and quite a few of them- would you maybe know how to make vocal/formants with a single one shot sound? It's something I've wanted to look into for a while but have never really got into, even basic shapes like saw waves etc. . Sort of a lead on from what I heard from your sound.

Oh and there seems to be a bass surge or something at the end which "distorted" it at then end, dunno if it's my old sound system, I just picked that up at then end.

Awesome stuff Jake.

I think I can help you with this, but could you rephrase it a little different? Or give me an example?

EDIT: This too, its really old though, http://sectramusic.com/2010/08/03/ne...ifferent-vibe/

**DarkbearX** · 04-7-2011, 03:15 PM

Re: Unique Synthesis Techniques.

Originally posted by championanwar

I like this a lot, this will be less of a critique and more of a question:
I was just wondering, seeing as you use LFOs, and quite a few of them- would you maybe know how to make vocal/formants with a single one shot sound? It's something I've wanted to look into for a while but have never really got into, even basic shapes like saw waves etc. . Sort of a lead on from what I heard from your sound.

I'll go ahead and answer this. There's no simple way to change the formant of the sound. You have to use formant filters which are generally very meticulously tweaked EQing. Some DAWs have plugins for formant filters, or just presets for different formants on their EQ plugins. There's actually a free plugin precisely named Formant Filter (rofl) that you can download. It actually works great and has a built-in LFO.

**midnghtraver** · 04-7-2011, 03:17 PM

Re: Unique Synthesis Techniques.

Originally posted by DarkbearX

I'll go ahead and answer this. There's no simple way to change the formant of the sound. You have to use formant filters which are generally very meticulously tweaked EQing. Some DAWs have plugins for formant filters, or just presets for different formants on their EQ plugins. There's actually a free plugin precisely named Formant Filter (rofl) that you can download. It actually works great and has a built-in LFO.

Oh, you can do this with the "Sampler" in FL Studio, if you have it.

**championanwar** · 04-7-2011, 03:34 PM

Re: Unique Synthesis Techniques.

Originally posted by midnghtraver

I think I can help you with this, but could you rephrase it a little different? Or give me an example?

EDIT: This too, its really old though, http://sectramusic.com/2010/08/03/ne...ifferent-vibe/

Not really what I'm looking for, just seems wobbly to me, not resembling vocals much.

Originally posted by DarkbearX

I'll go ahead and answer this. There's no simple way to change the formant of the sound. You have to use formant filters which are generally very meticulously tweaked EQing. Some DAWs have plugins for formant filters, or just presets for different formants on their EQ plugins. There's actually a free plugin precisely named Formant Filter (rofl) that you can download. It actually works great and has a built-in LFO.

Right oh, but then again 'cause I use Reason now. . I can't get any external plugins >: I'd have to maybe just do it manually or just get a plugin and mimic what it does. . I hear they have like 8 different filters/EQs just for one part of the plugin which would be pretty freakin daunting to get my head around. I could easily mix it down and stick it in another software though 8] ehehehe

Originally posted by midnghtraver

Oh, you can do this with the "Sampler" in FL Studio, if you have it.

From all the years that I used to use FL, the sample for me [in my version] had like 1 filter which doesn't really cut it. It's cool for sound shaping basic waves, but for something like formanting, you'd need something a lot more indepth. . .

edit:
raver: Vocal sounds out of general shapes like saws/squre/other sounds using filters.

**midnghtraver** · 04-7-2011, 03:38 PM

Re: Unique Synthesis Techniques.

Originally posted by championanwar

From all the years that I used to use FL, the sample for me [in my version] had like 1 filter which doesn't really cut it. It's cool for sound shaping basic waves, but for something like formanting, you'd need something a lot more indepth. . .

It has 8... Look under the "Ins" tab, then under filter theres a drop down menu with 8 filters and Modx/y dials.

EDIT: And I know, I was showing off the synths in that song.

EDIT 2: Do you mean kind of like what I do with the vocal to create a stab that I use after the mainline comes in? http://sectramusic.com/2011/04/06/di...cy-remix-demo/

**DarkbearX** · 04-7-2011, 03:48 PM

Re: Unique Synthesis Techniques.

Originally posted by midnghtraver

It has 8... Look under the "Ins" tab, then under filter theres a drop down menu with 8 filters and Modx/y dials.

I think anwar is talking about bands more than filters. There are 8 options of different -filters-, but all of them are possible using one band (Highpass, lowpass, bandpass, notch/bandstop). There are no options for formant filter, probably because they -would- be too complicated to recreate. I haven't found a way to recreate formant filters in FL personally, they just didn't attack the problem yet I guess.

**LogicalDefiance** · 04-8-2011, 06:02 AM

Re: Unique Synthesis Techniques.

Instead of using formant filters, I find that I can get a pretty cool sound by making a multi layered sound and using the vocoder in FL with one of the layers. If you've ever used a vocoder to try to get cool vocal effects into your bassline you probably noticed that once you got it to sound the way you wanted to vocally, that almost all the power of the sound is sucked out(or rather the low end), so dont even bother, cut the lows up to fundamental of the voice, then mix it with a nice low gritty bass sound with an hp filter on there. Works like a charm.

Random note, theres also a freeware formant-like plugin on KVR called Vocalizer. It can be interesting if used tastefully and not excessively.

**Mans0n** · 04-8-2011, 11:04 AM

Re: Unique Synthesis Techniques.

I found that using plugins like 3x osc in FL studio can create a lot of powerful lead synths and pads. Though I mostly use it for sweep sounds, which is very useful in the genre of music i like to make which is house.

I also play around with 3x osc and come up with some awesome Afrojack sounding lead synths which are ridiculously awesome when it comes to drops.
Going to save and upload a sample of what i'm talking about later today.
PS: how many use FL studio? because I feel like i should maybe start using ableton because of it's uniqueness and ability to do live sets/mixing.

**LogicalDefiance** · 04-8-2011, 01:21 PM

Re: Unique Synthesis Techniques.

Originally posted by Mans0n

I feel like i should maybe start using ableton because of it's uniqueness and ability to do live sets/mixing.

You mean its uniqueness IN ITS ability to do live sets/mixing. Otherwise theres nothing real special about ableton. In fact automations are a bitch and a half in comparison. Faster to get to the parameter you want to automate, but impossible to be precise or do fun shapes or anything creative unless you have a really good DPI mouse pad tablet thingy and experience drawing digitally.

That said, I don't know if its unique, but I spent a while trying to emulate live instruments with basic synthesis/filters/envelopes, and it gave me a really good feeling for molding sound about 50-60 instruments later.

**danny53x** · 04-11-2011, 05:02 PM

Re: Unique Synthesis Techniques.

Jakey (and any other Renoise users), have you messed with Renoise's Chorus FX? LFO or automate pretty much any parameter and you get some pretty effed up stuff, some you can probably relate to a lot of Venetian Snares stuff.

Also, can anyone give more details on what a comb filter is?

**jakeyjake7** · 04-12-2011, 01:40 PM

Re: Unique Synthesis Techniques.

I'm not sure on the specifics of how it works, but the sound it gives is often similar to when you take a flanger, and turn the feedback close to 100/-100%. Only difference that I can see is that it doesn't have an LFO on the frequency and it doesn't change phase or anything. I really shouldn't be answering this question though. Hopefully someone else can phrase it better.

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