New Pledge of Allegiance

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i am a christian myself and i totally agree with this,

its like any mention of christianity scares everyone, so they make it against the law, when something like witchs is perfectly fine.

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I'm agnostic and I think people make a bigger deal of the Pledge of Allegiance than they should. I never minded hearing "Under God". In fact, even my mom, who is an Atheist, said it didn't bother her, and if it's going to bother anyone it's going to bother either an Atheist, or a Satanist. She said she simply didn't recite that part of the Pledge because she didn't stand for it.

The argument, though, is separation of church and state. And forcing people to acknowledge god is not separation of church and state. Of course, what is actually meant by "separation of church and state" is really beyond me; things like the Constitution, the Pledge, and all that stuff was written hundreds of years ago by white religious males. Things have different meanings over time.

On the literary side, I thought this was really cool.

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Not deep at all. It's just rhyming with some religious words.

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Hail Satan **** religion

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Biased as ****. Religion in schools is fine on a PERSONAL level, but in any instance where there is guided prayer or teaching of the bible as fact, that cannot be allowed. It makes mention of freedom. You have freedom. But I have freedom too. I don't want my freedom of religion being infringed by having guided prayer or classes teaching scripture as fact.

People see atheism as a religion, but in the case of PUBLIC schools, it's actually more of a "no religion" rather than "no god". You can believe what you want, teachers can believe what they want, but no one should be allowed to play missionary to those are do not wish to hear it, FACULTY ESPECIALLY, as children often will follow authority figure's advice without rhyme or reason.

It talks about studying "witchcraft, vampires and totem poles". Really? You want Christianity taught in schools and studied the same way we study WITCHCRAFT, VAMPIRES, AND TOTEM POLES? I don't mind dissection of religious texts if they're taught as allegories and non-literally true. I took a class on mythology. The teacher didn't tell us that there really was a Lord of the Underworld named Pluto/Hades. She didn't tell us that when we die, we must cross the River Styx in Charon's ferry. Shut up.

ps by the way, separation of church and state doesn't really exist. The reason why religion isn't taught in schools is written right there in the Bill of Rights, Amendment I of the Constution:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

You teach Christianity in public schools, and that would be an "abridgment" if I ever saw one.

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I'm Aethist, too, and it doesn't bother me hearing 'under God' in there. I just don't like to recite that section. People really do make too big of a deal of the Pledge. It's just a pledge that signifies patriotism to the U.S. That's how I see it. If there is religion in there, big whoop. As long as it doesn't go extreme and force people into saying it or anything like that.

Rabble, rabble, rabble, yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah, opinion, opinion, opinion.

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I always thought it was 'under guard'. Go figure.

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Afrobean's pretty much got it.

I don't really know what that whole thing is about. What exactly does the kid want? If someone prays quietly to themselves, fine. On the other hand, if someone tries to tell me how great god is, I don't see why they'd get upset when I tell them how I think their religion is dumb. I'm not offended, I just think being in a cult is a pretty stupid thing to do, and if you try to tell me it isn't, you shouldn't be surprised when I say you're wrong.

Seriously, why does this guy want to talk about his religion to people who don't want to hear it, anyway? Maybe he should take a hint and keep it to himself.

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Having a pledge to america hurts my feelings because I'm not from america and i was forced to move here against my will, remove it

no really though, I pretty much agree with afro.

That "poem" was crap. First of all, what kind of ghetto ****head school are they going to that allows all colors of hair and all types of piercings, cussing, and wearing outrageous clothes? Second, witchcraft and etc? (......) Wow, just wow

I'm religious and I basically agree with Afro, I mean come on. I don't mind it being in there/saying it, personally, but yeah

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Afro wins the thread, requesting lock.

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The "Under God" part of the Pledge of Allegiance wasn't added until 1954.

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they don't want us to pray because anyone with one ounce of superior intellect knows that religion was invented by man for profit and to justify killing. there is no God

thats just my personal opinion. i'm not going to argue with anyone about it and everyone has the right to believe in whatever they want
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Texas added "under God" as a big old "**** off," when the discussion of removing the phrase from the pledge started up again.

I think we (meaning, the people who make a big deal out of these two words) are concerned about the wrong thing here. The pledge is about loyalty and respect for the U.S, and we take it as a joke. I think if we're going to ask students to stand up every day and recite it, we (meaning my colleagues and I) should model the reverence for that moment for which we are asking. I know I can't require any student to stand up and say the pledge if he doesn't want to, but I can at least place my hand on my heart and say those words and mean it if I want to then complain that other kids don't understand what they're saying or don't take it seriously.

I think the focus should be more on what the rest of the pledge is saying. If you want to remove "under God" because it violates separation of church and state, fine. Can we please move on and get back to teaching our kids what it means to be loyal to their country? Or maybe why we think our country deserves loyalty? It's an empty gesture if we're not asking people to think about what they're doing.

Also, my grandma sent me that ****, too. She doesn't send real emails, just chain mail. And then gets mad at me when I tell her all the reasons those "warnings" she sends out are improbable.