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  • N.T.M.
    FFR Player
    • Dec 2007
    • 890
    #1

    Help with drum layering (vid included)

    So I'm making this file for a pack (so it's presently unreleased). I'm kinda unsure as to what I should do with the drums though. Read the vid description. I mean some of those 16ths don't layer and some don't even align correctly (like they don't align with the main 4th note drum hits). Should I just drop the 16ths for the drums? They're barely audible anyways. I just don't want things to feel too empty.

    Any suggestions for the drum patterns? I just made a repeating pattern each time they occured.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbNi1CrNxCg&feature=channel_page


    Oh and there's some audio lag, but I put the assist tick on to help with that. I guess it doesn't really matter though.

    Thanks guys!!

    -Nick
    “Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the 'transcendent' and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don't be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish... Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.”

    Christopher Hitchens
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    • who_cares973
      FFR Player
      • Aug 2006
      • 15407
      #2
      Re: Help with drum layering (vid included)

      i new this was your thread

      i dont see what the problem is with the drum layering i think it's fine
      Last edited by who_cares973; 12-15-2008, 02:19 AM.

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        • N.T.M.
          FFR Player
          • Dec 2007
          • 890
          #3
          Re: Help with drum layering (vid included)

          Originally posted by who_cares973
          i new this was your thread

          i dont see what the problem is with the drum layering i think it's fine
          Is that a bad thing? I don't wanna be the guy that makes stupid threads. I just figured I could get some more opinions here. And there are so many great artist here. It's often very helpful to get some feedback by other people. Sometimes they'll catch stuff you miss.
          “Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the 'transcendent' and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don't be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish... Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.”

          Christopher Hitchens

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            • who_cares973
              FFR Player
              • Aug 2006
              • 15407
              #4
              Re: Help with drum layering (vid included)

              not a bad thing lol you usually name your threads similarly so i assumed it was you.

              you also made this thread when the least people are on ffr so dont expect some feedback for a while

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                • Zybanthia
                  FFR Player
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 809
                  #5
                  Re: Help with drum layering (vid included)

                  Between trying to hear it in a recorded video and trying to hear it over the assist tick, I can't say one way or the other if it's worth omitting the 16ths at the beginning... but, it looks really fun, and the steps seem to make a lot of sense. I was actually kind of wishing I could play it.

                  Not sure of the quality of the stepfile near the end, because I didn't watch that far (it's already past my beddytime here), but it seems cool. Maybe I'll check out some of your sims.

                  Oh, and to add to the question on your video: personally, if there's not a pitch relevancy thing to take into account, or a pitch relevancy thing would be really repetitive and boring, I think random patterns are the way to go. Drums can often be random.
                  Last edited by Zybanthia; 12-15-2008, 02:54 AM.

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                    • N.T.M.
                      FFR Player
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 890
                      #6
                      Re: Help with drum layering (vid included)

                      Originally posted by Zybanthia
                      Between trying to hear it in a recorded video and trying to hear it over the assist tick, I can't say one way or the other if it's worth omitting the 16ths at the beginning... but, it looks really fun, and the steps seem to make a lot of sense. I was actually kind of wishing I could play it.

                      Not sure of the quality of the stepfile near the end, because I didn't watch that far (it's already past my beddytime here), but it seems cool. Maybe I'll check out some of your sims.

                      Oh, and to add to the question on your video: personally, if there's not a pitch relevancy thing to take into account, or a pitch relevancy thing would be really repetitive and boring, I think random patterns are the way to go. Drums can often be random.
                      I was PR with the guitar, but yeah, I agree regarding the drums. And regarding my other sims: only check out my most recent stuff cuzz only with my recent files have I fully grasped good layering, PR, etc. My LTE went to **** for a few reasons. Prolly don't DL that.

                      And the end has some weird tempo shifts. It's dead-on sync though. It was weird though. It'd go like from 135 BPM to 115, then to 90. Took freakin' forever to step cuz of those tempo shifts!!! I almost gave up.

                      Originally posted by who_cares973
                      not a bad thing lol you usually name your threads similarly so i assumed it was you.

                      you also made this thread when the least people are on ffr so dont expect some feedback for a while
                      True. I just figured I'd do it while it was on my mind though.
                      “Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the 'transcendent' and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don't be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish... Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.”

                      Christopher Hitchens

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                        • Patashu
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 8609
                          #7
                          Re: Help with drum layering (vid included)

                          I'd just like to say it's nice to see you branching out from df
                          Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker:
                          http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world
                          http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png
                          Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1)
                          http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

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                            • giganutsauce
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 761
                              #8
                              Re: Help with drum layering (vid included)

                              kick drums on the left

                              hi hats on the right

                              Originally posted by N.T.M.
                              I almost gave up.
                              please do

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                                • ShAiOnEi
                                  FFR Player
                                  • May 2007
                                  • 1110
                                  #9
                                  Re: Help with drum layering (vid included)

                                  I wouldn't say this is a good song to step in the first place.
                                  I love my son Auron

                                  Epic thread killer

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                                    • Patashu
                                      FFR Simfile Author
                                      FFR Simfile Author
                                      • Apr 2006
                                      • 8609
                                      #10
                                      Re: Help with drum layering (vid included)

                                      Originally posted by giganutsauce
                                      kick drums on the left

                                      hi hats on the right
                                      get out
                                      Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker:
                                      http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world
                                      http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png
                                      Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1)
                                      http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

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                                        • robertsona
                                          missa in h-moll
                                          FFR Simfile Author
                                          • Dec 2006
                                          • 3997
                                          #11
                                          Re: Help with drum layering (vid included)

                                          torrent is suddenly pissing me off

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                                            • dandandamdandan1111
                                              the baker man
                                              • Jun 2007
                                              • 2176
                                              #12
                                              Re: Help with drum layering (vid included)

                                              wow this is really repetitive

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                                                • N.T.M.
                                                  FFR Player
                                                  • Dec 2007
                                                  • 890
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: Help with drum layering (vid included)

                                                  Originally posted by dandandamdandan1111
                                                  wow this is really repetitive
                                                  Some parts are. That's why I cut the song. You've heard the whole thing I assume? It's like twice as long and generally the same stuff.

                                                  Originally posted by ShAiOnEi
                                                  I wouldn't say this is a good song to step in the first place.
                                                  Not the best, but certainly not a very poor choice. I mean it still offers a nice solo.

                                                  Originally posted by giganutsauce

                                                  please do
                                                  Always so supportive .

                                                  Originally posted by Patashu
                                                  I'd just like to say it's nice to see you branching out from df
                                                  I still like DF, but I'm gonna be stepping other bands for now. Maybe eventually just the solos cuz I still have a few DF requests.

                                                  Originally posted by robertsona
                                                  torrent is suddenly pissing me off
                                                  He's just being torrent. =P

                                                  Originally posted by giganutsauce
                                                  kick drums on the left

                                                  hi hats on the right
                                                  I was gonna layer the hi hats but there were too many. I was thinking maybe minifreezes, but in many places they'd just be everywhere.
                                                  Last edited by N.T.M.; 12-15-2008, 03:20 PM.
                                                  “Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the 'transcendent' and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don't be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish... Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.”

                                                  Christopher Hitchens

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                                                    • Patashu
                                                      FFR Simfile Author
                                                      FFR Simfile Author
                                                      • Apr 2006
                                                      • 8609
                                                      #14
                                                      Re: Help with drum layering (vid included)

                                                      If you do it right you can swap to the hi-hat when nothing more interesting is going on

                                                      assuming the hi-hat itself is interesting, if it's just playing 8ths don't bother
                                                      Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker:
                                                      http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world
                                                      http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png
                                                      Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1)
                                                      http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

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                                                        • N.T.M.
                                                          FFR Player
                                                          • Dec 2007
                                                          • 890
                                                          #15
                                                          Re: Help with drum layering (vid included)

                                                          Originally posted by Patashu
                                                          If you do it right you can swap to the hi-hat when nothing more interesting is going on

                                                          assuming the hi-hat itself is interesting, if it's just playing 8ths don't bother
                                                          They become very pronounced towards the end. Think minifreezes would be nice there?
                                                          “Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the 'transcendent' and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don't be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish... Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.”

                                                          Christopher Hitchens

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