A troubleshoot for you Sim Authors out there.

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  • dietsnapple135
    FFR Player
    • Mar 2006
    • 259
    #1

    A troubleshoot for you Sim Authors out there.

    I have a horribly annoying problem that I can't seem to fix without any normal convention. It is simple enough: I'm making a song on SM using the editor, and to make the arrows seem more synced I inserted an arrow pause(or so I think it is) at the very beginning of the song(although it might be 1/64th note in for some reason). The problem with this is, now I know a better way to do this and I want to remove it, but for some reason I can't get the delay to return to zero despite going to every frame and trying to reduce it. Anyone know why I can't change it or a way to fix it anyways? Here is a screenshot.

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    • sc979
      FFR Player
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Aug 2006
      • 1644
      #2
      Re: A troubleshoot for you Sim Authors out there.

      You have to open up the .SM file and delete it manually.
      ...

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        • dietsnapple135
          FFR Player
          • Mar 2006
          • 259
          #3
          Re: A troubleshoot for you Sim Authors out there.

          Why did this happen? It seems that when I normally do pauses like this they are easily removed. Why is this different?
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            • Zybanthia
              FFR Player
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Dec 2008
              • 809
              #4
              Re: A troubleshoot for you Sim Authors out there.

              This seems to happen when you place things like BPM changes and stops in 12th, 24th, or 48th timing. I've had multiple instances where I put a BPM change on a 12th note, saved, closed Stepmania, and then re-opened and decided it may be better to move the BPM change. When I tried to delete it in the editor, it actually put a new BPM change directly on top of that one. This may have been what was happening to you...?

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                • dietsnapple135
                  FFR Player
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 259
                  #5
                  Re: A troubleshoot for you Sim Authors out there.

                  Originally posted by Zybanthia
                  This seems to happen when you place things like BPM changes and stops in 12th, 24th, or 48th timing. I've had multiple instances where I put a BPM change on a 12th note, saved, closed Stepmania, and then re-opened and decided it may be better to move the BPM change. When I tried to delete it in the editor, it actually put a new BPM change directly on top of that one. This may have been what was happening to you...?
                  That is 100% what happened. I simply put an extra pause on top of that pause whenever I try, so I have to manually remove it? I really don't know how to go about that.
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                    • sc979
                      FFR Player
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 1644
                      #6
                      Re: A troubleshoot for you Sim Authors out there.

                      I was just about to say what Zybanthia said about BPM changes on 12th notes, but then I checked your pic and saw that you had it on beat 0. I'm not sure why you aren't able to delete that.
                      Last edited by sc979; 12-4-2008, 09:26 PM.
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                        • Zybanthia
                          FFR Player
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 809
                          #7
                          Re: A troubleshoot for you Sim Authors out there.

                          It's not on beat zero though. It looks like something right after zero... possibly 48th. If it is, that would explain it.

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                            • dietsnapple135
                              FFR Player
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 259
                              #8
                              Re: A troubleshoot for you Sim Authors out there.

                              Originally posted by Zybanthia
                              It's not on beat zero though. It looks like something right after zero... possibly 48th. If it is, that would explain it.
                              Lol. It's a 64th. Woops.
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                                • sc979
                                  FFR Player
                                  FFR Simfile Author
                                  • Aug 2006
                                  • 1644
                                  #9
                                  Re: A troubleshoot for you Sim Authors out there.

                                  oops, I didn't notice that he wasn't directly on the stop.

                                  For manual deletion:

                                  Go to your Stepmania Folder > Songs > My Creations (or whatever group your song is in) > Lobodomy and open up the .sm file in Word, Notepad, etc.

                                  Where it says '#STOPS:', remove the first entry. If it's the only stop, make sure you leave in the semicolon.
                                  ...

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                                    • MooMoo_Cowfreak
                                      Abraxas Hydroplane
                                      • May 2006
                                      • 1746
                                      #10
                                      Re: A troubleshoot for you Sim Authors out there.

                                      .sm File (delete what's in bold)
                                      #BPM:0.000=165.000
                                      #STOPS:60.000=0.052

                                      .dwi (delete what's in bold)
                                      #BPM:165.000;
                                      #GAP:0;
                                      #SAMPLESTART:17.123;
                                      #SAMPLELENGTH:12.000;
                                      #FREEZE:60.000=0.052

                                      If that's what your file is like. Hopefully this is what you are looking for.

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                                        • dietsnapple135
                                          FFR Player
                                          • Mar 2006
                                          • 259
                                          #11
                                          Re: A troubleshoot for you Sim Authors out there.

                                          Yay, it's gone! Thanks so so much to Moo moo, Sc979, and Zybanthia. This issue has been driving me nuts for days. Thanks so much guys
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                                            • Patashu
                                              FFR Simfile Author
                                              FFR Simfile Author
                                              • Apr 2006
                                              • 8609
                                              #12
                                              Re: A troubleshoot for you Sim Authors out there.

                                              editing bpm stops/changes in the .sm is your friend
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                                                • dore
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                                                  FFR Simfile Author
                                                  FFR Music Producer
                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                  • 6317
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: A troubleshoot for you Sim Authors out there.

                                                  .sm files only carry stuff out to three decimal places so anything that requires more places than that to be exact will cause that to happen, namely: 12ths, 24ths, 48ths, and 64ths.
                                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

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