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  • NinjaKirby87
    FFR Player
    • Nov 2008
    • 11
    #1

    Annoying? It Allows Me To "Win"

    Hey everyone!

    This'd be my first topic, and third post I think O_o Just wanted to shed one issue I have with the game, and it's merely based on my personal preference as to how the game should deal with player... or I guess MY failure.

    Don't get me wrong though, I freakin' love it, it's addictive, but I hate how I can complete Tracks (even Tricky One's from the Arcade and Dance sections) by smudging the same sections that are too difficult. It's not even a matter of Key mashing, if I try my hardest and fail to hit loads of the Arrows, I can still continue and complete the track, gathering back the lost... "percentage" with easy arrow runs or whatever throughout the remainder of the song. Every time I replay, the same sections can get me over and over - quite simply too much technically for me, I spose.
    Thus the reward of completing the song seems "too nice", and "Undeserving".

    Ideally, I guess it's all about the results, as opposed to song completion? Maybe I just need to change my mindset?

    I like to set myself goals, except I guess this early on I have not much experience to go on; What I'm thinking is setting myself a Boo/Miss Arrow ratio against Average up to Perfect Arrow? I don't know though what I should be aiming for to be generally considered "Good", like... 20:1?
    Wow, okay, I run the numbers, I'm already on 4:1, too steep. I guess that's enough to go by actually, so more like 10:1? Try and turn it around? (Without cheating and doing Easy songs mind, but that seems Catch 22, because I can't just suddenly start excelling at Normal/Tricky songs!)

    So perhaps my focus should just be improving my Skill and forget all that, try and reach Very Difficult stages, and ignore my Arrow Stats.

    Maybe I'm thinking about this too much, maybe I should just play the game XD Ultimately, I'm just miffed how I can plough through technically impossible songs (for my Ability level) and still complete them.

    I'm not... sure what I'm asking really, lol, I guess I'm welcoming thoughts on my plight >_>
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    • who_cares973
      FFR Player
      • Aug 2006
      • 15407
      #2
      Re: Annoying? It Allows Me To "Win"

      what.......

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        • NinjaKirby87
          FFR Player
          • Nov 2008
          • 11
          #3
          Re: Annoying? It Allows Me To "Win"

          Originally posted by who_cares973
          what.......
          lol? I came off as that confusing? Maybe I shouldn't have said anything XD Ignore me then, heh.

          It probably didn't help I didn't have it clear in my mind - and I still don't.

          Edit: Actually, a TL;DR, I hate how it's possible to "mash through" or "try properly and fail" the impossible parts in the songs and come out victorious anyway.
          Last edited by NinjaKirby87; 11-25-2008, 02:54 PM. Reason: Added something

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            • [TeRa]
              FFR Player
              • May 2007
              • 9922
              #4
              Re: Annoying? It Allows Me To "Win"

              Mashing doesn't allow you to win exactly, while it may help pass songs, but passing is absolutely nothing in the world of FFR, it's all about the score. Generally a good score on FFR would be a full combo with a good perfect to good/average/boo ratio, though on certain songs like death piano for example, well, pretty much the only example lol, it's pretty much all about the combo, in which case only a few people have a combo over 2000, which is the ending of the song, even mashing it's hard to get a good combo on DP, fuggin song, got 2 misses at the very very end D:

              Anyways, not failing is indeed not victorious on any song, with the exception of vRofl, but that song doesn't count so whatever x_x

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                • MooMoo_Cowfreak
                  Abraxas Hydroplane
                  • May 2006
                  • 1746
                  #5
                  Re: Annoying? It Allows Me To "Win"

                  Go play Stepmania:

                  News - StepMania
                  https://www.stepmania.com
                  Originally posted by hi19hi19
                  dumps abstractly represent the song with arrows

                  post-dumps abstractly represent the existential nihilism that the song invokes in the listener with negative space, evoking the ephemeral nature of the mind - the journey of stepmania begins in hope yet soon becomes corroded into a dialectic of futility, leaving only a sense of dread and the unlikelihood of a new synthesis

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                    • DarkbearX
                      Shimose
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      FFR Music Producer
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 1995
                      #6
                      Re: Annoying? It Allows Me To "Win"

                      I get what you're trying to say. The timing window is pretty huge so yeah, it is simple to pass harder sections of songs without knowing how to properly hit the keys in those sections. There's not much you can do about that, but you can use the Autofail feature (in settings) and set a limit on goods/boos/averages so when you exceed the amount you set, it'll fail you out and go to the results screen.
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                        • NinjaKirby87
                          FFR Player
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 11
                          #7
                          Re: Annoying? It Allows Me To "Win"

                          Originally posted by DarkbearX
                          I get what you're trying to say. The timing window is pretty huge so yeah, it is simple to pass harder sections of songs without knowing how to properly hit the keys in those sections. There's not much you can do about that, but you can use the Autofail feature (in settings) and set a limit on goods/boos/averages so when you exceed the amount you set, it'll fail you out and go to the results screen.
                          Ah, I have to admit, I wasn't sure what the purpose of those Options were, I might just use them... thank you for enlightening me ^_^



                          Originally posted by MooMoo_Cowfreak
                          Go play Stepmania:

                          www.stepmania.com
                          I can only guess, this is a replication of the response I ALWAYS see on Darkfall Online Forums. A carebear requests Safe Zones in an Open PvP, Free For All game world, the response is:

                          Go play WoW or GTFO, carebear
                          But I hope I'm mistaken :P



                          Originally posted by [TeRa]
                          Mashing doesn't allow you to win exactly, while it may help pass songs, but passing is absolutely nothing in the world of FFR, it's all about the score. Generally a good score on FFR would be a full combo with a good perfect to good/average/boo ratio, though on certain songs like death piano for example, well, pretty much the only example lol, it's pretty much all about the combo, in which case only a few people have a combo over 2000, which is the ending of the song, even mashing it's hard to get a good combo on DP, fuggin song, got 2 misses at the very very end D:

                          Anyways, not failing is indeed not victorious on any song, with the exception of vRofl, but that song doesn't count so whatever x_x
                          I see, so my incoherent part about changing "Mindset" is reasonable, it's not about song completion in itself, but completing them with Top Results. Presumably everyones scores are slightly damaged from there beginner days, but I guess if one plays enough, the overall results will look great - and by that point you will have a lot to show for regarding your own results for various songs you became proficient at.

                          I suck at putting my thoughts into words. But right, I follow what ya'll are saying, hehe.

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                            • Matrixdude
                              And She Screams My Name
                              • Jun 2006
                              • 1351
                              #8
                              Re: Annoying? It Allows Me To "Win"

                              Originally posted by NinjaKirby87
                              I can only guess, this is a replication of the response I ALWAYS see on Darkfall Online Forums. A carebear requests Safe Zones in an Open PvP, Free For All game world, the response is:

                              But I hope I'm mistaken :P
                              In Stepmania, the timing windows are much smaller it is much harder to pass songs. So exactly what you're complaining about, this fixes.

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                                • NinjaKirby87
                                  FFR Player
                                  • Nov 2008
                                  • 11
                                  #9
                                  Re: Annoying? It Allows Me To "Win"

                                  Originally posted by Matrixdude
                                  In Stepmania, the timing windows are much smaller it is much harder to pass songs. So exactly what you're complaining about, this fixes.
                                  I hope my complaints don't sound too whiney - I know I am only speaking for myself here, and I can only stress I love the game regardless ^^ You can't build a game that'll suit everyone 100%, nigh on impossible ambition.

                                  But uh... I guess Stepmania is a "competitor" to FFR? I dunno if I'll bother playing it, I already found a home here, with a game I am more then pleased with, and what seems a brilliant community ^_^

                                  It looks a bit tacky that website anyway, god I hope that's not an official site O_O

                                  Thanks for explaining his suggestion though!

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                                    • mhss1992
                                      FFR Player
                                      • Sep 2007
                                      • 788
                                      #10
                                      Re: Annoying? It Allows Me To "Win"

                                      Passing any song is easy, getting an AAA(a perfect score, so you know) at them is very difficult, though. The objective of the game is not passing songs, but getting a good score at them.
                                      Last edited by mhss1992; 11-25-2008, 04:14 PM.
                                      jnbidevniuhyb scores: Nomina Nuda Tenemus 1-0-0-0, Anti-Ares 1-0-0-0

                                      Best AAA: Frictional Nevada (Done while FFR was out, so it doesn't show in my level stats)

                                      Resting. I might restart playing FFR seriously someday.

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                                        • Xiaounlimited
                                          Eaguru
                                          • Jul 2005
                                          • 2832
                                          #11
                                          Re: Annoying? It Allows Me To "Win"

                                          Above posts are correct.

                                          A score of say, 149-512-213-0-901 874c wouldn't be as impressive as 873-0-0-1-0 437c; the previous score would have a higher total (despite atrocious PA, the combo would decimate the second score), but would be frowned upon compared to the second score.

                                          e.g.
                                          score 1: "Boowhore. Stop smashing."
                                          score 2: "Wow, that PA is really good. CB must've pissed you off, but go for the AAA."

                                          Notice the contrast
                                          Why would you put that in your signature? You've lost your signature rights for a month. (You'll get them back on March 10th, 2012.)

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                                            • snowbro
                                              FFR Player
                                              • Jul 2004
                                              • 3
                                              #12
                                              Re: Annoying? It Allows Me To "Win"

                                              You probably shouldn't over analyze something that's pretty simple.

                                              :s

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                                                • PlaceboFX
                                                  FFR Player
                                                  • Nov 2008
                                                  • 151
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: Annoying? It Allows Me To "Win"

                                                  Your stream of consciousness reminds me of my own, which is why I try to keep my posts short and to the point.
                                                  Originally posted by Tater Tot


                                                  Real spiders wear their hats on their butts.

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