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  • N.T.M.
    FFR Player
    • Dec 2007
    • 890
    #1

    Liquid Tension Experiment File - Please Review

    Alright, so in effort to become a "top stepper" I realized that I needed to start stepping different music. I needed a challenge too. So I decided to look into some of GLoVE's DT files to learn from the master. I then tried to recreate his style (mostly his style I guess) with a different song: When the Water Breaks (by LTE). Overall it seemed like everything went smoothly until the end where things didn't layer too well. I think I chose the lesser of the two evils: either step just the drums or guitar, or layer them and creat some somewhat messy looking steps.

    Anyways I'd like to get some feedback here. How was the file overall? Was the layering alright? Should I have done it differently? More detail with the drums? Stuff like that.

    Here's the file: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...p?songid=31927

    Thanks guys!

    -Nick
    “Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the 'transcendent' and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don't be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish... Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.”

    Christopher Hitchens
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    • robertsona
      missa in h-moll
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Dec 2006
      • 3997
      #2
      Re: Liquid Tension Experiment File - Please Review

      The freezes at the beginning didn't need freezes, just layer them as jumps.
      Were the BPM changes correct? I have no idea.
      Pretty sure the roll at m11 was incorrect, but it was hard to hear at 0.3x.
      Almost all of the sounds except the jumps you stepped at m13 and such were COMPLETELY inaudible.
      I slowed it down at could literally not hear ANY of the sounds, especially those 32nds.
      That could be my speakers, but I doubt it.
      Lots of things like m15 jump were offsync.
      So was the 64th right before m16.
      In fact, starting at m16, song got COMPLETELY offsync for me.
      I didn't play past there because what was there was really bad, no offense.
      Maybe someone else can explain what happened with THEIR computers.
      It could be just me, but I doubt it.

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        • N.T.M.
          FFR Player
          • Dec 2007
          • 890
          #3
          Re: Liquid Tension Experiment File - Please Review

          Originally posted by robertsona
          The freezes at the beginning didn't need freezes, just layer them as jumps.
          Were the BPM changes correct? I have no idea.
          Pretty sure the roll at m11 was incorrect, but it was hard to hear at 0.3x.
          Almost all of the sounds except the jumps you stepped at m13 and such were COMPLETELY inaudible.
          I slowed it down at could literally not hear ANY of the sounds, especially those 32nds.
          That could be my speakers, but I doubt it.
          Lots of things like m15 jump were offsync.
          So was the 64th right before m16.
          In fact, starting at m16, song got COMPLETELY offsync for me.
          I didn't play past there because what was there was really bad, no offense.
          Maybe someone else can explain what happened with THEIR computers.
          It could be just me, but I doubt it.
          I assume you were referring to the piano in which case some of the notes could only be heard on certain speeds. Some things were tough to hear though . I slowed everything way down for the basic BPM changes and it all sounded dead-on, but.... eh ****. I wasn't sure what to do in places .

          *edit* Oh and those 32nds at the start are there. At least I recall being pretty sure at the time I placed them. I'll double check.
          “Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the 'transcendent' and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don't be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish... Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.”

          Christopher Hitchens

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            • robertsona
              missa in h-moll
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Dec 2006
              • 3997
              #4
              Re: Liquid Tension Experiment File - Please Review

              BAD IDEA to step things you can only hear at certain speeds.
              BAD BAD BAD

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                • Mr. Bob
                  FFR Player
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 687
                  #5
                  Re: Liquid Tension Experiment File - Please Review

                  cool im glad youre starting to branch out to other artists besides dragonforce

                  i looked at it, and it looks like youre getting better. you could have the potential to get better hehe

                  but for starters:
                  - dont put your name in the banner lol
                  Last edited by Mr. Bob; 10-23-2008, 05:49 PM.

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                    • N.T.M.
                      FFR Player
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 890
                      #6
                      Re: Liquid Tension Experiment File - Please Review

                      Originally posted by Mr. Bob
                      cool im glad youre starting to branch out to other artists besides dragonforce

                      i looked at it, and it looks like youre getting better. you could have the potential to get better hehe

                      but for starters:
                      - dont put your name in the banner lol
                      What did you think? I appreciate robertsona's criticism, but I have to disagree regarding the sync. I spent forever on those little tempo changes to mainatin sync related to the main drum hits. If any of them are off it's gotta be EXTREMELY slight. Too slight to be caught without the assistance of some other program. I mean I doubt there was a glitch when I uploaded it, but I still want a second opinion.

                      Originally posted by robertsona
                      BAD IDEA to step things you can only hear at certain speeds.
                      BAD BAD BAD
                      You're right, yet I've made that bad choice numerous times .

                      Originally posted by stargroup
                      liquid tension experiment is REALLY freaking hard to step

                      good f*cking luck

                      that is all
                      It took forever to step this tiny little segment. And the potential towards the end wasn't even really that great. I guess the segment selection is absolutely critical for producing good steps.
                      Last edited by N.T.M.; 10-24-2008, 02:00 AM.
                      “Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the 'transcendent' and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don't be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish... Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.”

                      Christopher Hitchens

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                        • giganutsauce
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 761
                          #7
                          Re: Liquid Tension Experiment File - Please Review

                          Yeah. It was a terrible file.

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                            • EnR
                              Massive flaming dildos.
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 8431
                              #8
                              Re: Liquid Tension Experiment File - Please Review

                              EW already stepped the full song.. and it isn't to bad so I don't know why you decided to step it.
                              sigpic

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                                • trumaestro
                                  I don't get no respect
                                  FFR Simfile Author
                                  • Jun 2006
                                  • 1332
                                  #9
                                  Re: Liquid Tension Experiment File - Please Review

                                  Originally posted by EnR
                                  EW already stepped the full song.. and it isn't to bad so I don't know why you decided to step it.
                                  I kinda sorta told him to, lol

                                  Besides, who would really want to play a 17 minute sim? Pretty dumb to step the entire song, imo.
                                  in before tgwp

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                                    • robertsona
                                      missa in h-moll
                                      FFR Simfile Author
                                      • Dec 2006
                                      • 3997
                                      #10
                                      Re: Liquid Tension Experiment File - Please Review

                                      tgwp sucks

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                                        • N.T.M.
                                          FFR Player
                                          • Dec 2007
                                          • 890
                                          #11
                                          Re: Liquid Tension Experiment File - Please Review

                                          Originally posted by trumaestro
                                          I kinda sorta told him to, lol

                                          Besides, who would really want to play a 17 minute sim? Pretty dumb to step the entire song, imo.
                                          in before tgwp
                                          lol Anybody have the link to the file?

                                          Originally posted by giganutsauce
                                          Yeah. It was a terrible file.
                                          I can always count on this forum to give good criticism. I'll be sure to work on those things.
                                          “Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the 'transcendent' and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don't be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish... Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.”

                                          Christopher Hitchens

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                                            • robertsona
                                              missa in h-moll
                                              FFR Simfile Author
                                              • Dec 2006
                                              • 3997
                                              #12
                                              Re: Liquid Tension Experiment File - Please Review

                                              http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...p?songid=10672
                                              EDIT: oh lol i thought you meant tgwp roflmao
                                              Last edited by robertsona; 10-24-2008, 06:43 PM.

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                                                • trumaestro
                                                  I don't get no respect
                                                  FFR Simfile Author
                                                  • Jun 2006
                                                  • 1332
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: Liquid Tension Experiment File - Please Review

                                                  http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...p?songid=24457

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                                                    • giganutsauce
                                                      Banned
                                                      • Jan 2008
                                                      • 761
                                                      #14
                                                      Re: Liquid Tension Experiment File - Please Review

                                                      Originally posted by N.T.M.
                                                      I can always count on this forum to give good criticism. I'll be sure to work on those things.
                                                      nah dude, you can always count on me for constructive critisism

                                                      I pretty much got better by people telling me mah **** was horrible, I hope it works out for you

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                                                        • stargroup
                                                          FFR Player
                                                          • Jun 2007
                                                          • 974
                                                          #15
                                                          Re: Liquid Tension Experiment File - Please Review

                                                          so here's the thing with lte or dream theater

                                                          1. find a good song
                                                          2. find a steppable segment (this is actually quite hard)
                                                          3. figure out how you want to do your sync (planning is crucial, believe it or not)
                                                          4. do the sync
                                                          5. place your patterns, keeping in mind your layering, your own expressive style, and remember to stay in sync

                                                          and then hope for the best. even then you'd probably still have to be pretty lucky
                                                          (´･ω･`)

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