Who Killed The Electric Car?

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  • TD_Project
    FFR Player
    • Dec 2005
    • 427

    #1

    Who Killed The Electric Car?

    Now I know that this should belong in Media category, but this does tie into CT as far as I know.

    For those who haven't watched the documentary, it is about the car entitled the General Motors EV1. (Electric Vehicle 1) This car was the only car manufactured with the GM name, and was an electric vehicle made to conform to a law passed in California, which required automotive manufacturers to make a feasible electric vehicle. The movie goes on to explain that the experiment was not only feasible, but practical. The car was a success and leased to many people as a test. However the problems started when the lease ran out. The lease required all EV1's to be returned to GM, with no opportunity for buy-backs or lease renewals. All EV1 owners were pretty upset at this, and they were promised that the EV1 vehicles would be dismantled and every part used in other GM vehicles.

    Later on in the movie, some vigilante citizens spy on the GM Proving Grounds and find many EV1's pointlessly crushed. The last batch of EV1's sat in a parking lot being watched by citizens who wanted to keep their cars. After a long battle, those EV1's were crushed as well.

    It's a story that doesn't make too much sense, until I really thought about it. According to most of the interviews, (keep in mind these interviews were extremely biased) they suggest GM didn't want to see the EV1 succeeding, as they would lose an extreme amount of profit. A normal car has to worry about many things, with it's internal combustion engine; Oil Filter, Air intake parts, clutch, gas tank wiring systems, oil filters, gas filters, etc. Dealerships and car manufacturers make a lot of money servicing their own cars, as they will always need to be serviced. The EV1 was a very clean and very efficient car, that required little service. It's battery lasted long enough to complete an average work commute or journey to most places, and the newer batteries could turn the vehicle into a 300 mile-range vehicle easily.

    Therefore, it's not only the oil companies who lose profit, but it is the car companies themselves that would lose profit. And the government was in no rush to help to save these electric vehicles. They had a $4000 tax rebate on the EV1's at the time. May seem like a good idea, however they had a $100,000 tax rebate on SUV's at the time. This works the global warming effort backwards, as it requires us to be more dependent on oil outside of North America. With global warming in our mind, we can't afford to keep in the Middle East protecting the oil we require, when we should be focusing on solutions to the problems. After Carter put solar panels on the White House, and called for many environmental changes, many things improved. Then Reagan entered the White House as president and called for the panels to be taken down, as well as many environmental acts to be shut down.

    Either way, this movie is a good movie to get your mind going. The car companies, government, oil companies and lack of motivation to start change prevent this world from becoming greener.

    Anyways, I think I'm taking on a topic too big for me to even discuss, any opinions?
    (P.S. move to Media category if you see fit)
  • tsugomaru
    FFR Player
    • Aug 2004
    • 3962

    #2
    Re: Who Killed The Electric Car?

    It isn't solely the company's fault. Their goal is to make money, and to do that, they need to sell goods. If they designed an environmentally friendly car for cheap and no one buys it, then the people are at fault. The company already put in their effort to make a fuel-efficient car, they have done their part. The consumers need to do their part and spend their money to buy these fuel-efficient cars to help the environment.

    ~Tsugomaru
    Originally posted by Hiluluk
    WHEN do you think people die...?
    When their heart is pierced by a bullet from a pistol...? No.
    When they succumb to an incurable disease...? No.
    When they drink soup made with a poisonous mushroom...? NO!!!
    IT'S WHEN A PERSON IS FORGOTTEN...!!!

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    • kommisar[os]
      Banned
      • Apr 2006
      • 4097

      #3
      Re: Who Killed The Electric Car?

      the oil companies wouldn't be too happy neither. *bribes*

      also i don't think people would ignore the fact that the car is cheaper to pay for the energy that runs it.

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      • Zageron
        Zageron E. Tazaterra
        FFR Administrator
        • Apr 2007
        • 6592

        #4
        Re: Who Killed The Electric Car?

        Originally posted by tsugomaru
        It isn't solely the company's fault. Their goal is to make money, and to do that, they need to sell goods. If they designed an environmentally friendly car for cheap and no one buys it, then the people are at fault. The company already put in their effort to make a fuel-efficient car, they have done their part. The consumers need to do their part and spend their money to buy these fuel-efficient cars to help the environment.

        ~Tsugomaru
        Did you even read the post?
        I'm pretty sure the movie was about GM taking cars back, and crushing them. (Even though the cars were great and all the renters wanted to ether keep them or buy them)

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        • tsugomaru
          FFR Player
          • Aug 2004
          • 3962

          #5
          Re: Who Killed The Electric Car?

          Nah, I skimmed through it. My assumption was that this was about GM making an environmentally friendly car, but then it never came into the mainstream. I'd like to see the source of the movie because I've heard otherwise. Until then, my belief is that there wasn't enough interest in the car for it to actually be successful. Note how I say believe because what I have said isn't hard fact.

          ~Tsugomaru
          Originally posted by Hiluluk
          WHEN do you think people die...?
          When their heart is pierced by a bullet from a pistol...? No.
          When they succumb to an incurable disease...? No.
          When they drink soup made with a poisonous mushroom...? NO!!!
          IT'S WHEN A PERSON IS FORGOTTEN...!!!

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          • TD_Project
            FFR Player
            • Dec 2005
            • 427

            #6
            Re: Who Killed The Electric Car?

            All EV1's were assigned to owners in half a week I believe. Also nearing the ending of the last shipment of EV1's demise, the population offered 1.5 million dollars for the remaining cars. Which was rejected.

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            • Necros140606
              FFR Player
              • Jun 2006
              • 1088

              #7
              Re: Who Killed The Electric Car?

              it's obvious that until all of usable oil on earth will be finished (i hope soon) these kinds of projects will never be able to see the light. electric energy is clean and renewable but no, we have to abide by the rules of the old lobbies. that's pretty sad.

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              • kommisar[os]
                Banned
                • Apr 2006
                • 4097

                #8
                Re: Who Killed The Electric Car?

                it's all in the name of profit. they make such insane amounts of money they don't know what to do with it. once oil runs out they'll find a new way to suck people's money out

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                • Djr Rap dancer
                  FFR Veteran
                  • May 2008
                  • 409

                  #9
                  Re: Who Killed The Electric Car?

                  It's why I play for my subies.
                  I know now that internet it's just $.
                  But if you are too stupid to think about this,it's because you got a serious problem.
                  Be on internet it's not a problem.
                  But think about internet is a problem, just dont have it at home
                  lol you are to stupid that you pay all month for tell to other that internet is business.
                  lol at you all guys.


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                  "Don't do what?"

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                  • rzr
                    TWG Veteran
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 7608

                    #10
                    Re: Who Killed The Electric Car?

                    This whole thing got me really ticked. First thing I want to know is the name of this movie/documentary.

                    Second, I might as well put my two-cents out there:
                    What's sad is that the top-dog, deep-pocketed, rich-bitches aren't going to realize how deep of a hole they're digging the world into until it's too late. What we really need is an unselfish rich guy to throw some dough our way and get these cars out there. The whole situation just gets me mad, at least from the angle portrayed in the OP.

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                    • robertsona
                      missa in h-moll
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 3997

                      #11
                      Re: Who Killed The Electric Car?

                      Originally posted by rzr
                      This whole thing got me really ticked. First thing I want to know is the name of this movie/documentary.
                      Who Killed The Electric Car?

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                      • syzergy
                        FFR Veteran
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 448

                        #12
                        Re: Who Killed The Electric Car?

                        HAHA i watched the movie in school yesterday
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                        Originally posted by roundb0x
                        absolutely nothing wrong with this

                        i still have photos of my dad dickfeeding me when i was like 5

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                        • TrueBOSS
                          FFR Player
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 147

                          #13
                          Re: Who Killed The Electric Car?

                          I feel safe in saying it'll be greed that killed the electric car. I'm sure greed was the driver no matter how exactly it died.
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                          • TD_Project
                            FFR Player
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 427

                            #14
                            Re: Who Killed The Electric Car?

                            Originally posted by Necros140606
                            it's obvious that until all of usable oil on earth will be finished (i hope soon) these kinds of projects will never be able to see the light. electric energy is clean and renewable but no, we have to abide by the rules of the old lobbies. that's pretty sad.
                            I live in Canada, and the province west of us is going to be dug out for it's oil reserves, and my province as well.

                            Also in the north Arctic Ocean there is tons of oil. Only problem is apparently it's not claimed. So expect another war and some gas prices going up even more.

                            I forgot to add, that the electric car and hydrogen vehicles wouldn't do me any good in the winter, as it reaches -40 F in the winter, to anywhere near +120 in the summer. The electric car wouldn't start in the winter, and being that water is the only exhaust from the hydrogen vehicle I would imagine that it would freeze.

                            Off topic, but anyways, if anyone hasn't seen the documentary, its on the movie channels on TV, or go rent it.

                            Titled: Who Killed The Electric Car?

                            Have fun

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                            • TrueBOSS
                              FFR Player
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 147

                              #15
                              Re: Who Killed The Electric Car?

                              Lol, I wouldn't see a war breaking out so easily over the arctic oil.
                              Idk so much about everywere else but a lot of people around the Mid-Western States hold Canada as a good place. I think it's a pretty awsome place too (except for whenever I'm playing RuneScape on a Canadian server and a bunch of Canandians try to force me to jump servers for being an American ) The only way I see a war comming in there is if China or Korea tries to sieze it. The U.S. isn't as war hungry as other countries seem to believe we are (I only say this because a lot of my foreign friends are always making claims that their families tell them that American's are war hungry.)
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