Solutions to World-Wide Poverty?

Re: Solutions to World-Wide Poverty?

This is called communism. And it certainly is not a solution to world-wide poverty.

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I'm not saying "take away our rights/no private ownership". I'm just saying that if we were more generous with our funds we could help those out who really need it.

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I don't know if you're trying to target the United States, but there is no country in the world that gives out more financial aid and donations (supplies, food, etc) than we do already.

This is not to say that I am against raising the standard of living world-wide. It does need to come up. It's a fact.

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I wasn't targeting the States in particular, this was aimed at all of the wealthy countries in the world. Those primarily being Canada, the US, and Western Europe. I'm just saying that I think that there's more we can be doing for these countries. The States should be very proud to say that they're the #1 country for foreign aid.

Re: Solutions to World-Wide Poverty?

Stop giving the impoverished people hand-outs and they'll either a) learn to become self-sufficient or b) starve and maybe stop reproducing. It's certainly not a humanitarian solution but it's a solution.

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That's not what communism is or how communism works. Just so you know.

As for your thread's topic, dore has the right of it. If we were any other speices, we'd be letting the sick, the poor and the very old just die off instead of wasting all kinds of resources trying to keep them alive to no real benefit to the species.

This silly idea that the laws of nature shouldn't apply to us anymore is the cause of most of the problems facing the world. Frankly we could stand to lose a billion or so people.

Statistically, the first thing people do who did not have sufficient resources to live, when they are given sufficient resources is reproduce, and make a new generation who now don't have sufficient resources and the problem doesn't actually ever get any better.

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Kill everything. No life no poverty.

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But I like life.

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You guys are essentially suggesting Social Darwinism? I personally don't believe in that because man's capacity for sympathy/empathy is contradictory to that. Sure, there will be jerks out there that say we can just let the poor die, but that's a pretty blunt point of view to say the least.

Re: Solutions to World-Wide Poverty?

Pretty much, yes.

It may be blunt, but there is nothing wrong with bluntness. Does someone who has no means to acquire food for himself contribute anything to society? It's highly unlikely, because someone who contributes to society in some way most likely does so in some form of work, which gives him money, which gives him the means to feed himself. When we support people who have no means of supporting themselves, we are using resources to help those who can't give anything back to those who support them.

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But perhaps if we dedicated more to these poor people they could potentially start to reciprocate. I don't think we give them enough as it is for them to be self sufficient. I personally think that if we gave them more then we could eventually get more out of them.

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Just like Dore said I think that those countries should learn to become self-sufficient because if countries like to U.S and Canada are giving them money all the time they will be completely dependent on other people to fight their battles.

We could also teach them to become more self-sufficient by showing them how to grow crops, trade, etc. But that runs into another problem; The costs of doing that would be really high and they might forget all about what we have taught them.

Re: Solutions to World-Wide Poverty?

what about japan? they have alot of money.

anyway the solution is easy. tell poor people 2 stop having babies. noi more babies less mouths 2 feed and more food 4 everyone

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Yes it is. If you consider private ownership to be a right. Some people think it's the only true right.

False. Altruism exists in many species. Part of the reason for this is because not all disabilities are genetic, so the imperative for reproduction in terms of overall population still exists, and is not exclusive to disabled, sick, or injured creatures.

There's effectively no such thing as overpopulation.

When we find people who don't have sufficient resources to live, it typically doesn't have anything to do with them. Human beings have been agrarian for a long time; not in terms relative to our overall ancestry, but long enough for us to know it works, anyways. Subsistence farming works fine. Yes, it encourages reproduction, because it's labor intensive. It's sustainable though, except when other problems kick into the equation. Most of these problems stem from economic intervention.

This is very astute. In fact, many of the individuals traditionally labeled as "social darwinists" have this exact perspective. There's a really good article about it here: http://www.princeton.edu/~tleonard/papers/Myth.pdf

Not all reciprocation is material. People expend ridiculous amounts of material wealth and physical energy on their pets, just because they feel their pets love them in return. I happen to think that's stupid, but it's not illegitimate.



This topic is silly, everything in it would be resolved by a quick look at elementary economics. That, and the realization that Malthus is dead and buried.

Guys, read that thing I linked to. Read Malthus's essay on population. Read Free to Choose by Milton Friedman and Power and Market by Murray Rothbard, not so much because they pertain directly to this discussion but because they'll give you a clue. Then come back to me if you need anything clarified, or if you need additional information.