The Thread of Family Irrationalities

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  • operationstrawbarry
    FFR Player
    • Apr 2004
    • 802

    #1

    The Thread of Family Irrationalities

    So ya, family drama had only started in my family for the past 4 months. I had always thought what had happened that started last semester in collage was retarded, but tonight, it had reached new heights that I thought would be interesting to share with you all. Might be something to read to. This will be a long post so brace yourselves.

    The concepts I will cover the following topics of controversies that we all agree or disagree on:

    Love and criticism
    Family
    The idea of the fragility of women
    Abuse and tolerance
    Cheating and affairs
    Thoughts of suicides or even suicide
    Disease and disabilities

    Situation:

    My grandpa had parkinsons ever since he really became an elderly person as far as I really thought of it. He had a very high position in the Chinese military in Taiwan and has a lot of power even now. To be honest, if there was any problems that affected our family physically like a threat, my grandpa would make a call and we would have police protection at our house like in minutes. My grandpa is retired now and I love him so much. I would do anything to protect him from danger and help him whenever something happenes. My chinese side of my family is probably the closest ties I have and dominate over my american side primarily because I live in Taiwan and pretty much 60% chinese. In this sense, I count myself chinese and Im very proud to be chinese.

    About 3 or 4 months ago, my mom had informed me of the first real true family problem drama that my chinese side is really involved in. In a way, this would be a the first because to be honest, we never really had a problem, nor one that would be this massive. From what I understand, my grandpa let it slip that he had been seeing another women or person like 25-30 years ago. Ever since the slip up, my grandma had been criticizing and beating up my grandpa, not hitting him with something hard or beating him up with a fist, but like things with hitting my grandpas hand with the handle of the sissors constantly and other things. I want to make sure that everyone understands that my grandpa is at the stage of his parkinsons disease that it has hit him so bad that he can't walk, eat solid food nor even talk and comprehend things easily. Hes like a vegetable, a zombie almost that is unable to do anything. Hes very skinny because of that and any kind of harm to him could have serious reprocussions. My grandma though doesn't care about this. For all we know, she uses parkinson's disease as her personal benifit to inflict even more pain on him because of the so called "affiar" that claimed to happen between my grandpa and someone else. What would happen is that the love had been totally diminished between my grandpa and my grandma that a whole day consists of my grandma just basically ripping my grandpa with insults, critisism and the always beat by my grandpa. It had gotten so bad in fract that about a month or two months ago, we had to separate my grandma from my grandpa and bring my grandpa to another one of our families that lives Zhonghe, which is a 30 minute drive from the hustle and bustle of Teipai city itself. Because of that, the only way that my grandma can harm my grandpa is to go over to Zhonghe which is a long ways away to be honest if you live in a city where everything you need is in a block radius.

    Dont think distance has stopped my grandma though. my grandma has constantly hailed a taxi to Zhonghe just to critisize and beat my grandpa even more. She has done that numerous times and has driven especially the family member that my grandpa lives in now, totally nuts. She would sometimes hail a cab at midnight or even extremely early in the morning just to beat on my grandpa, waking up that perticular part of my family just to beat my grandpa. Because of this, my uncle had many nights of no sleep just to fend for my grandpa and my grandpa's maid has also lived through hell to. I dont think she knew what she was getting into when she arrived in Taiwan to take of my grandpa.

    My mom on the other hand always gets into family problems. I know, it sounds like Im about to critisize for that and I am and I know shes probably doing it for the best, but the fact is, much of the problems that she gets into has nothing to do with her. Unfortunatly, this one does. My parents must of came back to hooters drunk tonight from a meeting with a client. My mom was on the phone for about an hour, like almost 3 times a week since we got back to Taiwan a week ago since this whole fiasco happened talking about this situation with my grandma and other family members. Shes usually screaming, crying or talking softly. Today she woke me up and it pissed me off because there is just no reason for that, escpecially if you are making no kind of sense around me whatsoever. One of the big topics that I heard while I was trying to sleep was my grandma having thoughts of suicide which is and that she has nothing to live for.

    My Take: (Warning: some of my thoughts may be offensive or totally way over the line. unfortunatly, I believe in logic more than anything else and it causes me to think some of this up)

    Being half chinese, you learn that critisism is always bad, but to you're family thats giving and recieving, its a sense of something to talk about and its a sense of flattery. I dont care to be honest because it makes me look good. Here's whats BS. My mom can critisize my father and I all she wants, but to other people, we can't do it because its mean and inappropiate. To all those that believe in this, what world do you believe in? If you want to critisize someone, be sure to understand that you basically gave them the ok card to do the same. Why should I be refrained from critisizing people escpecially my family if you do it constantly to me all the time? My mom calls me fat all the time, on a constant basis about 50 times a day but whenever I critisize her about something, all of the sudden, I caused the world to explode. I know Im fat. Im about 115KG. 5 more KG and Im refrained from being called to join the military conscription in Taiwan. To all honesty, 120KG is my goal to be honest because I dont want to waste 2 years of my life in the military. I count this as a good thing. Whenever this argument comes up between my mom and dad, it would always turns out heated. My mom, who is chinese and pretty irrational, bags on my dad's side of the family all the time. My mom for some reason doesn't like my dad's side of the family because rumor has it, my mom is not liked by my dad's family which is pure BS since my dad's side of the family always talks good things about her. We had a family reunion this spring and my mom didn't go because she claims she might make other uncomfortable. The fact remains that its not her making people feel uncomfortable, but her feeling uncomfortable and feeling like an outcast in a total american based society. She thinks she feels unwanted. My grandma is kinda going through the same crap in a sense that she feels a rumored affair (although my grandpa admitted it, no one really can confirm it) is making her feel unwanted to and she feels she has the right to torment or take someone's life away just because of some crap that had happened like 20-30 years ago.

    20-30 years ago? How the hell do you still have qualms about crap that happened like that? My grandpa is still married with my grandma and he still lives with her. That should totally negate the fact that the affiar means that he doesn't love my grandma. To me, its something that happened so long ago and has no effect unless someone irrationally continuously brings it up which causes problems. The only people that remembers crap that long ago are women and to men honestly, something that happened that long ago, went into the garbage can of our minds. Men think simple. We dont usually worry about what we did eighty years ago is going to effect what we do now, nor do we worry about what will happen in the future to a certain extent. We dont worry about crap that long ago because against you, its something that we will get hit or tortured for the rest of our lives. That brings me to another topic. The fragility of women.

    I for one believe in never hitting a women for anything, ANYTHING! BUT!!!! I believe that if you get hit a certain amount of times, you are allowed to do something to protect yourself. Im not saying a straight beatdown, but at least something that is three times weaker than what she's doing to me. It's kind of like a "hey, you know you are still hitting and hurting me right? This is a small tiny payback." If you think Im going over the line on this thought, think about this. What if a women has the intent to kill and comes after you with a knife? Are you going to still not hit a women? If so, I believe you are dead. If not, I believe you either disarmed the girl or women with you're hands or at least did something that knocked the knife away from her hands. Know this, I do not believe in women fragility. I have the belief that women can fend and fight just as good as men and probably better. Just because you're a women and men are stronger, doesn't mean that you can't harm men the same way a man harms a women. I believe that a women can deal just as much of damage as a man. In most ways, a womens rage is terrifying because its rare. Society has lead us to believe that whenever there is a domestic violence between a man and a women, usually no matter what, the man's always at fault, even in relationships. I believe this is retarded. You are saying if a women starts a fight, you get bloodied up and get a massive bump on the head, many bruises and you just slapped a women ONCE to get her to stop, and the police comes and the women clearly started the fight that the man would go to jail because he slapped a girl or women once after all the crap that the women did to him? Its crap like this that gets me venting out such anger and frustration. The women clearly derserves to go to jail for beating and almost killing a man but a slap from the man thats trying to get the women to stop hitting him gets him thrown in jail. You can't tell me thats illogical.

    EDIT: Heres a great example. My family went to Europe last summer. It was a like a Chech republic, austria, Italy, France and England circuit all in 3-4 weeks. It was a great vacation until we found out that each meal was like 50 bux for 3 people. My mom ruined the entire vacation because of the cost of food in resturants. WE ended up eating a lot of KFC and MD which I thought was retarded. We are in Europe and you want to eat KFC and MD? Anyways. My mom was in another one of her bad moods. She usually does this thing when she is in a bad mood and hungry at a forign place, we would end up walking for 3 hours doing nothing just because she doesn't want to eat nor is way to expensive just because she can't understand that traveling in Europe was going to be costly. Everyone in our family already knows that traveling is expensive, but reality must of sunk in when we actually got there. So anyways, I told her specifically that I dont want to walk all night looking for a restuarnt for 3 hours. I didn't say it nicely either because we all know that shes torturing us with this long walk because in a sense, we are all kind of over weight and everything is expensive. I font believe when you are treaveling, you should be dieting. I think its stupid and if you want to diet, do it at home. My mom got mad and when she was just about to spank me, like Im a little kid! she forces us to walk for hours when we had been doing that all day looking at sites and when we are all hungry but shes not, she decides that its time for a freaking diet. All of the sudden, my reflexes took over. I put my hand where my butt was at the same time my and my mom's hand collided. I didn't do anything really, our hands just collided. I didn't grab her hand or hit her. I just placed my hand there. But she got all pissed and all whiny and walked back to the hotel. I got bitched at by my dad who said never touch her like that. I didn't freaking touch her. My reflexes took over to protect me. I can't control that crap. So what does that mean? I can't ever put my arms in front of my face against a women's fist thats about to punch it? Its not like Im doing anything. I just think this kind of crap is bull**** in all sense of the word. My mom is just mad that she didn't get to spank me and when her hand collided with mine, she wasn't hurt, she pretended that it hurt just to bitch and whine some more. My mom got all bitchy, stayed in the room the entire night and we got **** about it the entire trip which was literally ruined because of my mom.

    My grandpa although the best and the nicest person you can ever meet would fend for herself, but unfortunatly with parkinsons, is unable to do anything. This leaves my grandma the time of her life to torment my grandpa. Tonight, I found out that my grandma had gone to Zhonghe to beat up on my grandpa again, this time giving him a bump on the head and more bruises. To all girls and women out there. I dont believe you should get hit despite my contradictery beliefs, but I do believe if you hit or have an intent to seriously harm a man, men should have the right to fend for themselves. I give a women or a girl 4 hits before I actually will do something, and another four hits and then do something again. I know that whatever I do will top whatever the women does. I can basically just simply touch her, and the four kicks in the nuts would be compensated. Dont expect a man to just let you hit him a million times and not expect something in return. Thats just retarded and I seriously believe in this.

    Im actually kind of tired now so Im going to stop. If you also have similer problems, or want to express some kind of discontent about you're family, this is kind of what this thread is about. Not to sure if there is a thread about family issues in FFR, but if there isn't... vola. Express it, Im sure we will in some way respond and although it feels we are sympathising with you or just plain sucking up.... know that I dont believe that one person in this world has ever not gone through a family dispute and will sympathize with you in some way. I will read what others have to say, to see if Im really thinking in reality or if Im to generous in my logic and thinking. I thought I had a perfect family because there were absolutly no problems in my families until 3-4 months ago. Now I know I dont have a normal family.

    I may add on later. Feel free to disagree or agree with me. If you dissagree though, be sure to back it up other than saying "you sux for thinking like that." You are purely wasting you're time and I will make sure you know that. LOL and dont comment on grammar issues plz. English is my second language and honestly, if you understand what is being written here even with grammar mistakes, then obveiously, nothing is truly wrong other than grammar. I just dont want this post turning into a grammar workshop.
    Last edited by operationstrawbarry; 06-17-2008, 11:47 AM.
  • Snowcrafta
    V's beta-male entourage
    • May 2005
    • 2873

    #2
    Re: The Thread of Family Irrationalities

    my mom is so mean, she keeps telling me that FFR is bad for me and that i should stop listening to chipmunk music (that's what she calls jpop) and says that ill never go to japan!!

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    • Quiztolin
      FFR Veteran
      • Sep 2007
      • 3

      #3
      Re: The Thread of Family Irrationalities

      Hello

      Well first off, I WILL mention the grammar. I realized from the start that English was not your first language but that doesn't seem to be a problem. It looks more like you were typing too fast to go back and fix grammar mistakes that you would recognize.

      Anyways, that is merely annoying and not that big of a deal.

      I would like to point out beforehand that being a dumb American I know nothing about Chinese/Taiwanese culture, though it is obviously different.

      First, I am truly sorry about your Grandpa. Parkinson's is a horrible way to live the end of your life. I can't accurately judge the mental situation for anyone involved...but your grandmother may not be trying to hurt your grandpa. Have you thought about the way your grandmother is acting possibly being a way to handle with the grief and stress of having a spouse in that kind of situation?

      She could just be angry with your grandpa for getting sick and essentially leaving the life they had previously behind. Ignoring any culture differences I doubt the possibility of an affair that long ago is really what is bothering your grandma. It seems like it just may be an excuse to release anger.

      The best advice I can give you is to talk. Talk to your grandpa and see what he thinks about it, talk to your grandma and instead of trying to get her to stop ask her if she is really bothered by something that may or may not have happened. Would she rather her husband die and never tell her? Make sure everyone stays calm (even yourself) and discuss the situation. Get both of your grandparents into a room and have them talk it out if possible (no hitting involved!).

      If that does not work or is not possible then it's up to you. Step up and be a man and defend your grandpa, even if no one else will. I don't know of any laws or such that you could use to keep your grandma away from your grandpa but surely there is something that you could look into? I really think the other course of action should work. Just make sure that your grandma knows that your grandpa is nearing the end of his life, and he wouldn't want his happy memories from life being ruined by the harmful things your grandma is doing now. And your grandma probably does not want her last memory of his husband being one that involves violence or hate.

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      As to your mother, I would guess that she wasn't Chinese, or that she was raised in America or some other country? To be honest (and blunt) she seems very controlling and your father appears to be pretty submissive to her. Again this could just be a cultural thing or some kind of heavy Americanization but it really is not a healthy relationship

      Personally, if your mother is indeed the dominant family member, and you have a dominant personality you should stand up to her. You want to let her know that you aren't going to be pushed around in every little thing, but you do not want to stand up so far as to make your mom think that you aren't EVER going to listen to her. It's very give and take when you have 2 dominant personalities together. She is still a parent and if you present yourself as independent of her too much or too quickly she will take it offensively.

      It's hard to say exactly how to go about doing this though. Perhaps in any family type of activity you try to always be the first to have an opinion or to suggest something to do. Involve yourself in other activities that help show that you are an independent person capable of making your own decisions.

      Always remember your goal, you aren't trying to take over your mom's sphere of influence over the family. Don't upset her or anything and eventually you should show her that you are fine on your own but you don't mind listening to her opinion sometimes.

      To start you out, you said that she calls you fat and that your family is a little overweight. Either suggest some kind of personal weight loss/get healthier program (for yourself) or suggest something that involves the whole family. Just tell your mom that you want to try and lose a little weight, get a little healthier. Plan a short walk around town, just something like a 10-20 minute walk. Perhaps look into some kind of sport to get involved in?

      Again the family approach you could suggest eating 1 dinner a week that is healthier than what you currently eat. Or you could make the walk a family affair, plan a short route and have the family walk it every couple of days. I don't really know what kind of situation or area you live in but you could even try having your own family sports, if you are so inclined.

      Honestly there are a million things you could do, and none of them take but maybe 30 minutes at most. In return you are showing your mother that you are able to make a good decision, and that you are listening to what she tells you.

      By itself walking for 15 minutes 3 nights a week or eating one healthier meal a week isn't going to cause any significant weight loss. It gives your mother the impression that weight loss IS your goal though. By the time she realizes that it isn't doing anything she will have forgotten that she complained about it in the first place.

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      The third thing that seemed to be a problem in your post seemed to be yourself.

      First I don't know exactly how old you are or anything, but you said you wanted to be fat in order to avoid conscription. After reading the wikipedia article (which may or may not be accurate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscri...ublic_of_China) it seems that there are plenty of options.

      Community service for 16 months isn't exactly bad in my opinion.

      Therefor my first advice for you personally would be to lose weight. Nothing good comes from being extremely overweight, from the various mental issues (lack of self-confidence/self-esteem) to all of the health issues (increased risk for heart attack/diabetes) it doesn't seem worth it. Being too overweight to be conscripted to save yourself 16 months is probably going to cut 10+ years off your life. Lose some weight and feel better about yourself.

      My second advice would be to seek out a psychologist or something of that nature. From my limited knowledge of Asian culture it seems to be generally looked down upon, but here in America it is all the rage. It isn't so more who DOES have a psychologist, but who DOESN'T.

      Again I am in no way an expert on the Chinese/Taiwanese mental health field, but it seems to me that if you were just able to talk to someone about the same things you are here talking about you would feel much better.

      The thing I would be most concerned about would be your view of women. The way your grandmother is treating your grandfather combined with you controlling mother...and those were the two main 'family problems' in your post. It might be nothing, or it just might end up as a problem later in life. You also talked about hitting women while being quite confident in your masculinity.

      I'm not saying that you are crazy or something stupid like that (I barely know you!) I am just saying you seem to be quite angry with the women in your life right now. A real psychologist on mental health professional could better analyze and advise you on your situation and how to make it better for yourself. If that kind of thing IS looked down upon in your culture or even just by your family and it is possible to seek help without anyone knowing I would say go for it. It would definitely be better for you to go release your anger instead of being confronted and opposed by your family while you are still angry.


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      I will restate that I am not a psychologist or any other mental health professional. I simply have an interest in that area and am attempting to make observations on what you yourself have stated.

      That being said if you have any specific questions or just want to talk about anything personally you are free to PM me or whatever

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