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  • Arch0wl
    Banned
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Dec 2002
    • 6344

    #1

    Expanding FFR's classical library: MIDIs and remastering

    A huge reason why so many of the current FFR classical files are offsync is because there is no easy and straightforward way to sync classical files. The most efficient way to do that currently is to use DDReam, which itself has issues.

    The best method right now is to find someone who has the ability to take a MIDI and remaster it, such as Ren did with the Gaussian Blur mp3 you all are so familiar with, because MIDIs are electronic and have no rhythmic errors. There is an unimaginably enormous number of MIDIs that have music suitable for rhythm games (FFR, Stepmania) but have not been remastered. I think we should find someone that is able to do this--it would help FFR develop in the long run.

    The three best sites I've seen for classical MIDIs are http://www.classicalmidiconnection.com , http://kunstderfuge.com and http://www.classicalarchives.com in that order. With those three you literally have tens of thousands of public domain MIDIs at your disposal, which is an immense number of songs that could potentially be in FFR.

    Obviously, though, someone is not going to convert every MIDI that comes along. What I think we should do is find a converter that would easily convert MIDIs to MP3s, and then afterwards file creators would make the file to the MIDI and find several performances of the MIDI to give the remasterer both reassurance that the file can go on FFR and an idea of what the piece should sound like when actually played. Then, the remasterer would provide the file creator with the MP3 and the file creator would simply sync/adjust the steps to the MIDI to the remastered MP3.
  • blindreper1179
    Vice President Of TGB
    • Jun 2006
    • 5900

    #2
    Re: Expanding FFR's classical library: MIDIs and remastering

    your everywhere for improving stuff. that does sound like a good idea though, both could use more classical music. i myself enjoy most of it.
    Originally posted by thesunfan
    absolutely I want to vomit on your face irl
    Originally posted by choof
    It was like trying to throw logic at a fuckin brick wall lmao
    Originally posted by choof
    whats more dense, a black hole or an icyworld file
    Originally posted by Celirra
    I've never been so disappointed by a man from Alabama than I am right now

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    • Tasselfoot
      Retired BOSS
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Jul 2003
      • 25185

      #3
      Re: Expanding FFR's classical library: MIDIs and remastering

      i've been advocating classicalarchive for years. i've had a membership there for a while. and, many of our recent classical additions have come from my supplying the MIDI from CA.com

      and, of course, i went out and got the permission from the MIDI creator on all of those, which is the real hold-up on the classical MIDIs.

      we've got about 100 or so MIDIs from CA.com that we can use, or pdmusic.org, which is mostly american music from the 1800s and early 1900s.
      RIP

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      • Arch0wl
        Banned
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Dec 2002
        • 6344

        #4
        Re: Expanding FFR's classical library: MIDIs and remastering

        and, of course, i went out and got the permission from the MIDI creator on all of those, which is the real hold-up on the classical MIDIs.
        You have to get permission from the MIDI creator? I thought they were public domain as far as remixing is concerned, which I would think that's what they fall under...

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        • Ice wolf
          FFR Player
          • Feb 2007
          • 852

          #5
          Re: Expanding FFR's classical library: MIDIs and remastering

          Converting MIDIs to MP3s should not be too hard; however, remastering MIDIs to sound like this is another story (I made a thread a while ago asking if anybody knew any good MIDI editors).

          Anyway, I would love to see more classical MIDIs in FFR, especially considering how easy it is to step and sync them.
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          • blindreper1179
            Vice President Of TGB
            • Jun 2006
            • 5900

            #6
            Re: Expanding FFR's classical library: MIDIs and remastering

            we then need permission from the remixers, and not the original composer.
            Originally posted by thesunfan
            absolutely I want to vomit on your face irl
            Originally posted by choof
            It was like trying to throw logic at a fuckin brick wall lmao
            Originally posted by choof
            whats more dense, a black hole or an icyworld file
            Originally posted by Celirra
            I've never been so disappointed by a man from Alabama than I am right now

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            • Tasselfoot
              Retired BOSS
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Jul 2003
              • 25185

              #7
              Re: Expanding FFR's classical library: MIDIs and remastering

              my feelings on permission: I want the music maker to want to be in FFR. I don't want to be like a rogue, coming in and taking their stuff in the middle of the night. Instead, I want to be the humble bum, hands out... asking for bread and a warm blanket.

              erm. or something like that. basically, even if we 100% know that they are cool with us using their music in FFR (like newgrounds, any creative commons, most ocremix, etc)... I still WANT permission from them... so they know their music is being used in FFR. So they want their music to be used in FFR. So they are excited about being in FFR. And, a bit, so they go and promote that they are in FFR.

              FFR isn't just about the arrows... it's about the music the arrows go to.
              RIP

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              • operationstrawbarry
                FFR Player
                • Apr 2004
                • 802

                #8
                Re: Expanding FFR's classical library: MIDIs and remastering

                One of the best jazz songs I have ever heard was Giant Steps by John Coltrane. I actually bought the CD from ebay and planned to step the 4:49 min sax solo. Yo, jimerax and tass... if you guys could get the permission..... I could attempt to step it and send it into FFR. That would be a good addition to you're classical archives.

                BTW: I believe jazz is still considered classical

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                • Tasselfoot
                  Retired BOSS
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 25185

                  #9
                  Re: Expanding FFR's classical library: MIDIs and remastering

                  except Coltrane is not pre-1923... meaning his stuff is not public domain.
                  RIP

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                  • operationstrawbarry
                    FFR Player
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 802

                    #10
                    Re: Expanding FFR's classical library: MIDIs and remastering

                    Originally posted by Tasselfoot
                    except Coltrane is not pre-1923... meaning his stuff is not public domain.
                    Already know this. The second part of my post was I asking if you guys interested in trying to get the permission for it. I could try, but I think there would be more effect if you guys "as heads of FFR" to get the permission.

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                    • psychopete
                      Quite electrifying.
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 833

                      #11
                      Re: Expanding FFR's classical library: MIDIs and remastering

                      It would be incredibly difficult to get such a permission. If you guys manage to pull it off, it'd be amazing, but in general, something like Coltrane would be insanely harder to get than, say, some MySpace band.

                      As for classical MIDIs, I actually do arrange classical songs into other instrumentation in Sibelius (if anyone's interested >.>), but classicalarchive is definitely a wonderful source.

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                      • devonin
                        Very Grave Indeed
                        Event Staff
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 10120

                        #12
                        Re: Expanding FFR's classical library: MIDIs and remastering

                        Originally posted by Arch0wl
                        You have to get permission from the MIDI creator? I thought they were public domain as far as remixing is concerned, which I would think that's what they fall under...
                        There's no law whatsoever that says you can remix without permission. What you -can- do is claim fair use if they come after you -for- remixing. It's a legal defense to charges, not a loophole to get around copyright laws.

                        The less of their song you use; the less money you'll makr from it; and the more your use of their song adds to the general sort of "Global Music Thing", the more likely a court would be to find in favour of fair use, but "I didn't use your song, I remixed/sampled/whatever it" doesn't actually make you immune to prosecution.

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                        • Tasselfoot
                          Retired BOSS
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 25185

                          #13
                          Re: Expanding FFR's classical library: MIDIs and remastering

                          however... it does make you immune to polio.
                          RIP

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