Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

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  • LordTyriel
    FFR Player
    • Apr 2008
    • 54

    #1

    Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

    Most people believe that "Hackers" are "Bad" people. In most circumstances they are, but they are not always evil and corrupt, in fact some are nice and like to help out other people with their problems.

    In saying this, more people believe they are "Bad" I am here to explain to you how they are, in fact not bad and how they help our internet and our ways of the internet life.

    Hackers have their own lives as well, in fact they sometimes get money for hacking peoples emails, hacking websites, hacking servers, etc etc etc....
    Now the problem with saying that is "Oh! he hacked me! Give me back my account!" to the servers higher Admins which are in charge of it and they obviously say "Well... Ok..." but that obviously depends on the circumstances. So you can't always blame everything on hackers you need to remember you can obviously have other ways to get your account on anything back by just filling in some info and bam you have that persons account.

    Another thing is that some hackers ARE against us, yes but that is because they just want the info from other people or they just wanna have more power then other people. We are human, everyone wants power and everyone wants to be above other people! Its human! I mean I am even like that. I want to be first at everything, sometimes I am and sometimes I am not, and if I am not then i get really mad! But thats besides the fact. The fact is that hackers (Black Hat Hackers) do hack for a reason and thats POWER! Now sometimes it is illegal of course, but the other times is mostly because they just want to get people back for what they possibly did to them or a friend or family member of theirs. I would, would you?

    In saying all of this, it is your turn. Are hackers with us? or are they against us? It is up to you. Choose your path.
  • foilman8805
    smoke wheat hail satin
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Sep 2006
    • 5704

    #2
    Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

    This isn't really a critical thinking quality thread, in my opinion.

    You're making a lot of brash claims with no real evidence to support anything.

    And don't forget about those people who just like to hack and **** with people for kicks. They aren't bad at all.

    Neither are the ones that steal your identity. Nope, those are good people.

    It isn't hard to make the distinction between a good hacker and a bad hacker, like rzr pointed out.
    Last edited by foilman8805; 06-1-2008, 04:14 PM.

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    • rzr
      TWG Veteran
      • Oct 2007
      • 7608

      #3
      Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

      How does this constitue higher-level thinking...?

      Well, anyway, I generally agree. Because I don't feel like writing an elaborate response, I'll just say this:

      Good hackers: Intelligence agencies searching for information on criminals, vigilantes witha sense of right and wrong, etc.

      Bad hackers: People just looking to screw around and get a laugh, etc.

      I don't see much of a point in debating this.

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      More of a joke than the time I deleted all the credits on the site.
      Originally posted by MinaciousGrace
      yeah my goldfish think im a riot they do this thing where they turn upside down and float to the top of the tank

      i guess their alcohol tolerance isnt as high as mine

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      • EAGAMES
        Y0FACE!
        • Dec 2006
        • 4931

        #4
        Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

        People who hack FFR obviously do it with good intentions.
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        • dean_machine
          FFR Veteran
          • Oct 2006
          • 1267

          #5
          Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

          When people say that hackers are all bad, they are generalizing what a hacker is. Hackers were originally people who came up with ways to do more with their computer than it's main purpose, and it started out not having anything to do with breaking security (as there wasn't really any back then) or causing trouble in any way, but through movies and other media, hacker's usually are associated with doing something bad.

          Hacking isn't limited to computers either. It could be some modification to some other kind of mechanical device.

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          • LordTyriel
            FFR Player
            • Apr 2008
            • 54

            #6
            Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

            I believe that you are wrong in saying that this is not a higher level of thinking.
            In fact, this subject has been debated on for quite sometime. Hackers aren't good and aren't bad. the question is how do you know if they are bad and how do you know if they are good? Other people wonder about this, in fact, the internet has been crawling with people that ask this question, what are hackers? and what are there true intentions and how do you know if there with us or against us? you don't know? I mean I could be one. Does that mean I am bad? or good? that is what I mean.

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            • devonin
              Very Grave Indeed
              Event Staff
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Apr 2004
              • 10120

              #7
              Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

              People who do good things are good, people who do bad things are bad.

              If you do good things when you hack, you are a good hacker. If you do bad things when you hack, you are a bad hacker.

              Hacking, and what constitutes hacking are clearly defined, so there isn't even anything to debate on that front.

              It sounds like you're really just asking for opinions as to where the line is between white-hat and black-hat, and that's really no a CT kind of question.

              I'm going to slide this over to Chit-chat.

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              • OnixRose
                FFR Player
                • Aug 2006
                • 1023

                #8
                Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

                it depends on the person black hat's white hats ect. the term "hacker" is a mentality imo sense no matter what the individual knows or has interest in, all share some common characteristics, and sense everyone has deferences in opinion on what's right and wrong it's really not correct to say are hackers in general with us, because of how unique and diverse the term hacker is

                edit:
                Originally posted by dean_machine
                Hacking isn't limited to computers either. It could be some modification to some other kind of mechanical device.
                exactly that's why it's such a broad term
                Last edited by OnixRose; 06-1-2008, 04:25 PM.

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                • sumzup
                  (+ (- (/ (* 1 2) 3) 4) 5)
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 1398

                  #9
                  Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

                  I believe the correct terminology for the "evil hackers" is actually "crackers." dean_machine is definitely correct on what hackers are supposed to be.

                  But nevermind that, after all, words are just words. Your argument is easily derailed; robbers have their own lives and so do murderers. Existing does not allow one to do anything and everything. Black hat hackers in general hack because they have nothing better to do, and enjoy taking pain in others suffering. They may have personal reasons for it, but in the end their actions speak for themselves.

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                  • rzr
                    TWG Veteran
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 7608

                    #10
                    Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

                    In what context? People who hack the game or people who hack other parts?

                    Originally posted by darkshark
                    Everyone sucks at this game. The second you think you're good is the second you stop trying to get better.
                    Originally posted by aperson
                    i had a mri the other day it was the best song i heard in years

                    Originally posted by Sprite-
                    More of a joke than the time I deleted all the credits on the site.
                    Originally posted by MinaciousGrace
                    yeah my goldfish think im a riot they do this thing where they turn upside down and float to the top of the tank

                    i guess their alcohol tolerance isnt as high as mine

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                    • Squeek
                      let it snow~
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 14444

                      #11
                      Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

                      Note to Tyriel: Just because it's a "Related" thread doesn't mean it's OK to bump it. Especially if you are just going to post the same thing in every thread.

                      Some of those threads are over four years old. Leave them dead.

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                      • LordTyriel
                        FFR Player
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 54

                        #12
                        Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

                        I did not notice that they were 4 years old. I must not be reading properly today. Although it is still a subject that needs to be talked about. People in thinking hackers are bad are just as bad as to saying such things. and if i have to I would need to keep saying it until people eventually see that hackers are not what people think of them to be.
                        Last edited by LordTyriel; 06-1-2008, 05:02 PM. Reason: Don't worry.. Be happy.

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                        • foilman8805
                          smoke wheat hail satin
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 5704

                          #13
                          Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

                          It is really hard to deal with your logic, Tyriel. It seems you are incapable of looking at all sides of the matter and you are set in your opinion like the sword in the stone.

                          You posed a two sided question, 'Are they with us, or against us?', but all I've seen you do is praise them for what you think are their selfless acts of altruism. Granted there are a few good people out there hacking for good reasons, the majority are clearly not of the same breed.

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                          • rzr
                            TWG Veteran
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 7608

                            #14
                            Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

                            Foil, he's just defending his perspective. In my opinion, he's a hacker and looking for justification to his deeds.

                            Originally posted by darkshark
                            Everyone sucks at this game. The second you think you're good is the second you stop trying to get better.
                            Originally posted by aperson
                            i had a mri the other day it was the best song i heard in years

                            Originally posted by Sprite-
                            More of a joke than the time I deleted all the credits on the site.
                            Originally posted by MinaciousGrace
                            yeah my goldfish think im a riot they do this thing where they turn upside down and float to the top of the tank

                            i guess their alcohol tolerance isnt as high as mine

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                            • Squeek
                              let it snow~
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 14444

                              #15
                              Re: Hackers.. "Are they with us or against us?"

                              Here's the deal.

                              If you do anything that compromises the security of this website or its users, you will be banned. In extreme cases, we will call your ISP and notify them of what you're doing with their Internet service.

                              If you muck around and notice a security flaw in our website and bring it to our attention without exploiting the flaw, you will get a pat on the back.

                              It's up to you what you want to do with your knowledge. The fastest person in the world can either use their skills to run from cops or run in the Olympics. Just know that eventually, the cops will catch up with you.

                              Also, there's a BIG difference between "hackers" and "script kiddies". Most people who try to mess with FFR are script kiddies. They don't actually do any real "hacking" themselves, they just use other people's code.

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