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  • Goldenwind
    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Jan 2006
    • 762

    #1

    Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

    'nuff said. Let the measurement of skill be BASED on skill, instead of on how much time you devote to ranking up a grand total

    Note: Just an honest suggestion, not out of spite. This change would actually hurt my rank, to be honest, since I have like ~25 or so unplayed songs :P
    Last edited by Goldenwind; 12-2-2007, 12:12 AM.
    They say there's a sun in the sky...
  • dore
    caveman pornstar
    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Music Producer
    • Feb 2006
    • 6317

    #2
    Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

    Overall Rank = Overall Rank
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

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    • Goldenwind
      FFR Simfile Author
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Jan 2006
      • 762

      #3
      Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

      Originally posted by dore
      Overall Rank = Overall Rank
      I'm tempted to use my pseudocalculus on that formula, just to see what kind of a monster I could create...
      They say there's a sun in the sky...

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      • silvercomet1525
        FFR Player
        • Sep 2005
        • 601

        #4
        Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

        Uh... correct me if I'm horribly misunderstanding your post, but isn't that what the "Average Rank" is for?
        Originally posted by Phynx
        BEDTIME FOR ME YAY!!! PILLOW SO SOFT!


        Tier Points: 537 (519 + 18 for 664 AAAs)
        (7/29/09)

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        • tha Guardians
          MCDC 2011
          • Nov 2006
          • 1680

          #5
          Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

          Average Rank isn't exactly what it's cut out to be. Some people don't have the time or patience to play that many songs. I doubt everyone even knows about Average Rank.

          I think rank should be some division of your grandtotal and total minutes or seconds played.

          Not games played.
          I've played over 12,000 games.
          I've finished probably about 3,000.

          Originally posted by sonic-fast-fingers
          can someone clarrify what QFT means my friend told me its quit ****ing talking, but im not 100 percent sure

          Originally posted by Synthlight
          I need a car that drives itself completely automated and I want it for free and it needs infinite gas mileage.

          Cheers,

          Synthlight

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          • MrMatt106
            FFR Player
            • Sep 2005
            • 52

            #6
            Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

            Why do you need an overall rank? Do you need to feel better than everyone else?

            If you do it by time played per score then u automatically are higher if you only play songs where you can get higher scores.

            You can judge people by their tier points (check statistics page). That is the most accurate judge of skill.

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            • Tasselfoot
              Retired BOSS
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Jul 2003
              • 25185

              #7
              Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

              overall rank is exactly what it is... a measure of how much you play. and to 90%+ of our users, it's the most important number.

              average rank is what it is too. and there's a list of the top average ranks. *shrugs* it ain't changing. too many people value overall rank too highly.
              RIP

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              • MrRubix
                FFR Player
                • May 2026
                • 8340

                #8
                Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

                Personally I think we should add a Skill Rank or something (rank by Average Rank/Overall Rank)
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

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                • tha Guardians
                  MCDC 2011
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 1680

                  #9
                  Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

                  Well what do people think when they see 12,000+ games played and rank 840?
                  They think, "Haha, that guy must suck at life."

                  I would say makes games played count only for games completed, but you know people would have like 0 games played and be rank 100, lol.

                  I think so far Tier Points are most accurate, but it has the same problems as Average Rank.

                  I think my idea is the best, but I'd be enthralled to hear a better one.

                  Originally posted by sonic-fast-fingers
                  can someone clarrify what QFT means my friend told me its quit ****ing talking, but im not 100 percent sure

                  Originally posted by Synthlight
                  I need a car that drives itself completely automated and I want it for free and it needs infinite gas mileage.

                  Cheers,

                  Synthlight

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                  • tha Guardians
                    MCDC 2011
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 1680

                    #10
                    Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

                    Originally posted by MrRubix
                    Personally I think we should add a Skill Rank or something (rank by Average Rank/Overall Rank)
                    Wow, what progress! Two mediocre, ineffective ranking systems fused to make one completely retarded mess of number!!

                    A salute to you, almighty MrRubix.

                    Originally posted by sonic-fast-fingers
                    can someone clarrify what QFT means my friend told me its quit ****ing talking, but im not 100 percent sure

                    Originally posted by Synthlight
                    I need a car that drives itself completely automated and I want it for free and it needs infinite gas mileage.

                    Cheers,

                    Synthlight

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                    • Tasselfoot
                      Retired BOSS
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 25185

                      #11
                      Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

                      ave/overall wouldn't work... i mean, you or DS or someone could create a new account and play ~1000 games (probably less) and have an ave rank under 10, easily... while accumulating only a few hundred million points, giving you an extremely good rank on that system.

                      it's a flawed system in that regard, whereas the 2 rankings currently can't really be "cheated" by themselves... gotta play play play to increase overall. and gotta be good good good to increase average. and usually, they go together to some extent.

                      about the overall score / games played thing... that's been talked about for years. it's doable, but you can't qualify finished vs unfinished games. and you would have to qualify something like either 1000 games played or 1 billion points to qualify (something like that).
                      RIP

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                      • MrRubix
                        FFR Player
                        • May 2026
                        • 8340

                        #12
                        Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

                        Really, Overall Rank is a measure of whoring. Average Rank is basically a measure of accomplishment relative to all other users. However, Average Rank for user A is not the same as Average Rank for user B if user B needed 20x more gameplays to achieve the same level of accomplishment. There should be something that rewards those who manage to get the ball rolling more quickly than others (I also propose this for selfish reasons).

                        Tass: True but eh, would we really do that?
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

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                        • tha Guardians
                          MCDC 2011
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 1680

                          #13
                          Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

                          Originally posted by Tasselfoot
                          ave/overall wouldn't work... i mean, you or DS or someone could create a new account and play ~1000 games (probably less) and have an ave rank under 10, easily... while accumulating only a few hundred million points, giving you an extremely good rank on that system.

                          it's a flawed system in that regard, whereas the 2 rankings currently can't really be "cheated" by themselves... gotta play play play to increase overall. and gotta be good good good to increase average. and usually, they go together to some extent.

                          about the overall score / games played thing... that's been talked about for years. it's doable, but you can't qualify finished vs unfinished games. and you would have to qualify something like either 1000 games played or 1 billion points to qualify (something like that).
                          I really hope this method is considered. However to do this, there would need to be a song quota that had to be matched in order to get a rank. Like maybe 1000 songs, and one of two things can happen from that

                          1.) Every game past that counts, or
                          2.) You have the option to reset your rank and earn a better one if you think it's outdated.

                          The only two problems I see are the quota, and the 2 options.
                          Any better way?

                          Originally posted by sonic-fast-fingers
                          can someone clarrify what QFT means my friend told me its quit ****ing talking, but im not 100 percent sure

                          Originally posted by Synthlight
                          I need a car that drives itself completely automated and I want it for free and it needs infinite gas mileage.

                          Cheers,

                          Synthlight

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                          • Tasselfoot
                            Retired BOSS
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 25185

                            #14
                            Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

                            someone would. and it wouldn't need to be you or DS... anyone with Tier type skill could do it... even a 200 average rank with a 20,000 overall rank would be simple, and would be 1/100. that would be the same as a 1.00000 rank and 100 overall. yet clearly the 2 aren't comparable.

                            guardians: there is no golden way to do it. it's why it hasn't been done. it's still something to consider, under the stipulations that i mentioned... but don't expect something magical out of it.
                            RIP

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                            • tha Guardians
                              MCDC 2011
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 1680

                              #15
                              Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

                              I'll cross my fingers, but I won't hold my breath.
                              I just get sick of having to take a break from FFR and coming back to see my rank has dropped 500. I would've been on the Top 1000 t-shirt if that wasn't the case

                              Originally posted by sonic-fast-fingers
                              can someone clarrify what QFT means my friend told me its quit ****ing talking, but im not 100 percent sure

                              Originally posted by Synthlight
                              I need a car that drives itself completely automated and I want it for free and it needs infinite gas mileage.

                              Cheers,

                              Synthlight

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