Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

**dore** · 12-2-2007, 12:17 AM

Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

Overall Rank = Overall Rank

**Goldenwind** · 12-2-2007, 12:20 AM

Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

Originally posted by dore

Overall Rank = Overall Rank

I'm tempted to use my pseudocalculus on that formula, just to see what kind of a monster I could create...

**silvercomet1525** · 12-2-2007, 01:18 AM

Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

Uh... correct me if I'm horribly misunderstanding your post, but isn't that what the "Average Rank" is for?

**tha Guardians** · 12-2-2007, 01:28 AM

Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

Average Rank isn't exactly what it's cut out to be. Some people don't have the time or patience to play that many songs. I doubt everyone even knows about Average Rank.

I think rank should be some division of your grandtotal and total minutes or seconds played.

Not games played.
I've played over 12,000 games.
I've finished probably about 3,000.

**MrMatt106** · 12-2-2007, 01:38 AM

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Why do you need an overall rank? Do you need to feel better than everyone else?

If you do it by time played per score then u automatically are higher if you only play songs where you can get higher scores.

You can judge people by their tier points (check statistics page). That is the most accurate judge of skill.

**Tasselfoot** · 12-2-2007, 01:41 AM

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overall rank is exactly what it is... a measure of how much you play. and to 90%+ of our users, it's the most important number.

average rank is what it is too. and there's a list of the top average ranks. *shrugs* it ain't changing. too many people value overall rank too highly.

**MrRubix** · 12-2-2007, 01:44 AM

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Personally I think we should add a Skill Rank or something (rank by Average Rank/Overall Rank)

**tha Guardians** · 12-2-2007, 01:45 AM

Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

Well what do people think when they see 12,000+ games played and rank 840?
They think, "Haha, that guy must suck at life."

I would say makes games played count only for games completed, but you know people would have like 0 games played and be rank 100, lol.

I think so far Tier Points are most accurate, but it has the same problems as Average Rank.

I think my idea is the best, but I'd be enthralled to hear a better one.

**tha Guardians** · 12-2-2007, 01:48 AM

Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

Originally posted by MrRubix

Personally I think we should add a Skill Rank or something (rank by Average Rank/Overall Rank)

Wow, what progress! Two mediocre, ineffective ranking systems fused to make one completely retarded mess of number!!

A salute to you, almighty MrRubix.

**Tasselfoot** · 12-2-2007, 01:50 AM

Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

ave/overall wouldn't work... i mean, you or DS or someone could create a new account and play ~1000 games (probably less) and have an ave rank under 10, easily... while accumulating only a few hundred million points, giving you an extremely good rank on that system.

it's a flawed system in that regard, whereas the 2 rankings currently can't really be "cheated" by themselves... gotta play play play to increase overall. and gotta be good good good to increase average. and usually, they go together to some extent.

about the overall score / games played thing... that's been talked about for years. it's doable, but you can't qualify finished vs unfinished games. and you would have to qualify something like either 1000 games played or 1 billion points to qualify (something like that).

**MrRubix** · 12-2-2007, 01:50 AM

Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

Really, Overall Rank is a measure of whoring. Average Rank is basically a measure of accomplishment relative to all other users. However, Average Rank for user A is not the same as Average Rank for user B if user B needed 20x more gameplays to achieve the same level of accomplishment. There should be something that rewards those who manage to get the ball rolling more quickly than others (I also propose this for selfish reasons).

Tass: True but eh, would we really do that?

**tha Guardians** · 12-2-2007, 01:57 AM

Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

Originally posted by Tasselfoot

ave/overall wouldn't work... i mean, you or DS or someone could create a new account and play ~1000 games (probably less) and have an ave rank under 10, easily... while accumulating only a few hundred million points, giving you an extremely good rank on that system.

it's a flawed system in that regard, whereas the 2 rankings currently can't really be "cheated" by themselves... gotta play play play to increase overall. and gotta be good good good to increase average. and usually, they go together to some extent.

about the overall score / games played thing... that's been talked about for years. it's doable, but you can't qualify finished vs unfinished games. and you would have to qualify something like either 1000 games played or 1 billion points to qualify (something like that).

I really hope this method is considered. However to do this, there would need to be a song quota that had to be matched in order to get a rank. Like maybe 1000 songs, and one of two things can happen from that

1.) Every game past that counts, or
2.) You have the option to reset your rank and earn a better one if you think it's outdated.

The only two problems I see are the quota, and the 2 options.
Any better way?

**Tasselfoot** · 12-2-2007, 01:58 AM

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someone would. and it wouldn't need to be you or DS... anyone with Tier type skill could do it... even a 200 average rank with a 20,000 overall rank would be simple, and would be 1/100. that would be the same as a 1.00000 rank and 100 overall. yet clearly the 2 aren't comparable.

guardians: there is no golden way to do it. it's why it hasn't been done. it's still something to consider, under the stipulations that i mentioned... but don't expect something magical out of it.

**tha Guardians** · 12-2-2007, 02:03 AM

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I'll cross my fingers, but I won't hold my breath.
I just get sick of having to take a break from FFR and coming back to see my rank has dropped 500. I would've been on the Top 1000 t-shirt if that wasn't the case

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