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  • jamuko
    FFR Player
    • Jan 2004
    • 1083

    #1

    Online friends vs. "IRL" ones

    I just got done arguing/debating with a friend on this, and we couldn't come to a mutual agreement, so I'm taking it here to see what you guys think.

    For the sake of this thread I am going to use the acronym "IRL" as an adjective for in-person friends, just because it doesn't feel right to call them "real" friends (implies the others aren't real).

    As communication over the Internet has become increasingly common over the years, practically everyone has had conversations with strangers online. With time, conversations make acquaintances, and with more time, acquaintances become friends.

    With even more time, and the right match of people, I believe that online friends can potentially become very close, to a point of equal respect and love as those one is close with in person. I personally have a rare few friends I have known for 6+ years online, through various communicae; essentially growing up through teenager-hood together. We relate really well, and can talk about anything and everything to each other. A level of trust I share with my closest friends IRL. They mean a lot to me.

    This friend I was arguing with, however (an IRL friend for the record), asserts that this is impossible. The Internet can in no way replace an in-person experience. He doesn't think it's right to treat any online friend with the same amount of respect you would treat an IRL friend.

    I know that there are perspectives on a person that you cannot get online, but I certainly don't think that losing those completely nullifies any valuable friendship. With the loss of physical presence, you do get other benefits (such as in my case and I'm sure in many others', I can express my thoughts much more easily and clearly in text than in spoken word).

    It's starting to sadden me now that I'm realizing how many of my friends don't understand my position on this issue.

    So.

    Do you think it is possible and acceptable to have a meaningful relationship with a friend solely online, to the point where you treat this friend with the same amount of respect and attention as you would an IRL one?
    Last edited by jamuko; 05-7-2007, 03:18 PM. Reason: boldedededed
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  • Devilution
    doin' just fine
    • Nov 2006
    • 822

    #2
    Re: Online friends vs. "IRL" ones

    To answer your end question, IMO Yes.

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    • JurseyRider734
      lil j the bad b-word
      • Aug 2003
      • 7506

      #3
      Re: Online friends vs. "IRL" ones

      Yes. Definitely, definitely yes. My online friends were there in times my "IRL" friends weren't or could not be. It's so much easier to open up to them (especially ones who you aren't even that close with), because who are they going to tell that will affect your life? I've gotten really close to a few people online. Only with one was an extreme closeness. We knew each other better than our parents knew us. It was an awesome feeling to have such a great friend there for you, and I trusted that person with anything. Even though we don't talk anymore much at all, I know that they have not told anyone a single secret I ever told them. They really were great and it's a shame we had to grow apart because of colleges, etc. I highly believe that having online friends is just as beneficial, if not more, than "IRL" friends.
      Originally posted by Arch0wl
      I'd better be considering I own roughly six textbooks on logic and have taken courses involving its extensive use

      Originally posted by Afrobean
      Originally Posted by JurseyRider734
      the fact that you're resorting to threatening physical violence says a lot anyway.
      Just that you're a piece of shit who can't see reason and instead deserves a fucking beating.

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      • AOL_blows911
        FFR Player
        • Nov 2005
        • 26

        #4
        Re: Online friends vs. "IRL" ones

        Well lets be logical here, before I even state my view. Your asking an online community, so expect a lot of "yes they can"'s. That being said...

        Yes they can. I personaly have a friend I met over Xbox Live, and his grandparents live about an hour from me. I didn't find that out untill he told me, which was a fairly big shock. For the record, I live in Ohio, and he lives in California, so I never expected to see him, but now him and I are close friends, even if we've only ever met twice. Having not been online long enough to really know anyone more than ~3 years, I have yet to experience many cases of online friends being as close to me as my friends IRL. However, I can easily see how many people could be just as close with people online (who they have never met) as with people they see every day (depending on how much they are online, obviously). The group of people I raid with on World of Warcraft have all become fairly good friends of mine, and I've only had the game for about a year, and only ever talked to them via Teamspeak. But yes, in my opinion, a friend is a friend, even if they live hundreds of miles away from you.

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        • ckj846
          FFR Player
          • Jan 2004
          • 2437

          #5
          Re: Online friends vs. "IRL" ones

          I met my best friend online (through maplestory surprisingly). We've met in person though so I don't know if that would really count? It's the fact that online, you can open up so much easier because it's so much easier telling a "stranger" something then a person you come into contact with everyday. The emotional aspect of a friendship is there in an online friendship, it's just not physical. I think that it's the whole package that makes a truly good friend, so I would have to say that the Internet is great for meeting new people and developing bonds, but you have to physically spend time with someone to see their true colors.

          It's so easy to "edit" what you write in text. I'm sure many people have edited what they said in these posts. With "IRL" friends, you can't say something and then take it back. There is that "real" aspect of a person that also develops into a friendship.

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          pyro31191: You should tell them earlier though
          pyro31191: so they can buy dildos instead of fleshlights

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          • GuidoHunter
            is against custom titles
            • Oct 2003
            • 7371

            #6
            Re: Online friends vs. "IRL" ones

            Originally posted by jamuko
            The Internet can in no way replace an in-person experience.
            This can be argued. I believe that an online friendship can never be 100% like that of an IRL friendship, but hey, 99% is pretty damn good.

            He doesn't think it's right to treat any online friend with the same amount of respect you would treat an IRL friend.
            This is just damn wrong, though. I don't know if he meant to use a word other than "respect", but there is no reason to respect someone less just because you don't have physical contact with them.

            --Guido


            Originally posted by Grandiagod
            Originally posted by Grandiagod
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            • jamuko
              FFR Player
              • Jan 2004
              • 1083

              #7
              Re: Online friends vs. "IRL" ones

              Originally posted by AOL_blows911
              Well lets be logical here, before I even state my view. Your asking an online community, so expect a lot of "yes they can"'s.
              Yeah, I thought about this as well, but I also have friends who enjoy internets and seem to take the opposite side. I'm finding it rather shocking, honestly, and a bit of an insult to me and the close online friends I do have.

              Originally posted by GuidoHunter
              This is just damn wrong, though. I don't know if he meant to use a word other than "respect", but there is no reason to respect someone less just because you don't have physical contact with them.
              I get the impression he meant that online friends couldn't be on the same level of care/deepness/importance as IRL friends. I guess "respect" was poor word choice, but he seemed to mean how you treat the person and think of them compared to your other friends. I don't know, it's kind of hard for me to explain without agreeing with this side myself. I'd like to hear from someone here who has some perspective on that side.


              Online friends are a bit of a different experience from IRL friends, no doubt... but I don't see why the difference should make them any less valuable or meaningful. I have learned a lot about myself and others through communication on the Internet, and without that I probably would have just wasted time playing games or staring at the wall. I'd say that's pretty valuable as well.
              Last edited by jamuko; 05-7-2007, 04:19 PM. Reason: shh
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              • Relambrien
                FFR Player
                • Dec 2006
                • 1644

                #8
                Re: Online friends vs. "IRL" ones

                To be honest, the people I've met online are more like me than people I've met IRL. Thus, I can be closer to them because they are more like me, plus all the reasons mentioned above.

                Of course, if you assume that you have two people that are both equally similar to you, but you know one online and one IRL, then I'd say the one you know IRL would be closer.

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                • purebloodtexan
                  FFR Player
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 2845

                  #9
                  Re: Online friends vs. "IRL" ones

                  Here's my opinion on people that I only meet on the internet:

                  I've never met them in real life, probably never seen their friends, and, for the most part, haven't seen the way they live. This doesn't seem like a friendship to me.

                  Originally posted by dictionary.com
                  a person attached to another by feelings of affection or personal regard.
                  Seeing as I've never really met the person in real life, I can't really say that this definition is true to me. I might, say, know that person's position in the online community (e.g. Tibs, Synthlight, etc.), but I wouldn't consider them to be a person that I'm attached to by feelings of affection or personal regard.

                  Then again, me being the most two-sided person on the planet, noone has to be politcally correct. If it gets the point across and you're comfortable doing it, then by all means, be my guest.

                  Long story short: I don't consider them to be my friends, but do whatever you want.

                  edit: Also, this is where the meme "LOL, internet" comes in.
                  Last edited by purebloodtexan; 05-7-2007, 05:26 PM.


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                  • GuidoHunter
                    is against custom titles
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 7371

                    #10
                    Re: Online friends vs. "IRL" ones

                    The question, though, pureblood, is CAN you consider them friends. You clearly haven't developed a significant friendship online, but does that mean you can't? I've no doubt that with enough communication, people can develop great feelings for each other.

                    --Guido


                    Originally posted by Grandiagod
                    Originally posted by Grandiagod
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                    • Squeek
                      let it snow~
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 14444

                      #11
                      Re: Online friends vs. "IRL" ones

                      I think you can, but I also think it will take a lot longer to do so.

                      IRL friends can be made in a day. In fact, I can think of a few examples. I never even met one of my best friends before he showed up at another friend's birthday party. Next day we were talking to each other before class, during lunch, and on the bus ride home until the end of the school year.

                      I was incredibly wary just going to the VA Venture. In fact, my mom didn't even want to let me go unless I took an IRL friend with me. That alone is pretty good proof of what I'm trying to say.

                      I still have my doubts about giving anyone on FFR my phone number or address.

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                      • tsugomaru
                        FFR Player
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 3962

                        #12
                        Re: Online friends vs. "IRL" ones

                        Originally posted by Tsugomaru
                        Although they are not as strong as real-life relationships, they are still relationships and hold the same power as real-life ones. The child may just be too scared to discuss his issues with his friends and most definitely, his parents, however, online, he has that freedom to discuss things openly because an invisible barrier is set up, giving him a sense of privacy.
                        ~Tsuogamur
                        Originally posted by Hiluluk
                        WHEN do you think people die...?
                        When their heart is pierced by a bullet from a pistol...? No.
                        When they succumb to an incurable disease...? No.
                        When they drink soup made with a poisonous mushroom...? NO!!!
                        IT'S WHEN A PERSON IS FORGOTTEN...!!!

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                        • purebloodtexan
                          FFR Player
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 2845

                          #13
                          Re: Online friends vs. "IRL" ones

                          Originally posted by GuidoHunter
                          The question, though, pureblood, is CAN you consider them friends. You clearly haven't developed a significant friendship online, but does that mean you can't? I've no doubt that with enough communication, people can develop great feelings for each other.

                          --Guido

                          http://andy.mikee385.com
                          If I can't see them, physically touch them (In the non-giggity way), or experience their lifestyle, then no, I can't.

                          I've tried to get "friends" over the internet, it didn't work. We just couldn't see each other the way we did in real life.


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                          • lavakeese
                            FFR Player
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 10

                            #14
                            Re: Online friends vs. "IRL" ones

                            When people talk online, the reader interperets how the other person says something in the way the reader wants to believe it was said. Complimetns are more meaningful to the reader, and insults are less hurtful. An ideal of the person is formed, and in real life they may not be truly who you read them to be. This is only one personal experience, but I think it could be possible to truly connect with another person online, if only because some people are more comfortable facing a screen and are more extroverted because rejection isn't so harsh. Over time great relationships are formed, but meeting IRL is superior to the internet.
                            ^_^ MUFFIN!!!^_^

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                            • ToshX
                              FFR Player
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 5111

                              #15
                              Re: Online friends vs. "IRL" ones

                              Overall, I think it depends.

                              I mean, let me be honest with you, I kinda hate a lot of my "friends" in real life because I can't rely on them for anything. I've tried talking to them about stuff but they just couldn't handle it, no matter how simple it was. I almost feel like I've been thrown a crappy group of people.

                              But being that this is the internet, I have access to talk to many, many more people in a much smaller amount of time, so I'm more likely to find reliable people.

                              I mean yeah, if you could talk to that many people and they were that willing to speak to you in return in real life as you could on the internet, then I'm sure it'd be much, much better in real life. But the thing is, you can't.

                              Only major upside I can think of is that here you are judged for who you really are, I guess :/ I guess that would give some people chances that otherwise wouldn't have the opportunity to be as open as they are, no offense to anyone.

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