Minor nitpicks that should be addressed in song creation

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  • ExtraTrstl
    FFR Player
    • Aug 2003
    • 1

    #1

    Minor nitpicks that should be addressed in song creation

    Hey, my friend just told me about this site today and I'm already lovin' it up. So much so that my fingers tend to lock up when trying to do some of the more complicated beats.

    There are some things that I think need to be addressed though. As a long time fan of games like DDR and Frequency this site is a godsend. But something that seems to be lacking is sort of introductory songs. Anyone who has ever played Frequency or the like and look at it in depth can see that some of the songs introduce you to new methods or new "theories" of beat capture. Same thing with DDR. The easier songs introduce new techniques like rolling from one side of the pad (or whatever) to the other, etc... This seems to be severely lacking in FFR.

    Granted, I know you're probably not big time game developers but this is something that can easily be addressed. In a lot of songs I've noticed long sets of repetative beats for the mere sake of increasing the difficulty of the song as opposed to actually going with the beat or having a distinct reason (a lot of drum beats in a row, etc...) for the long list of same beats.

    The arrows should be more of an indication of the type of beat coming up, not merely a tool to turn the song into a game. Some of the beats I understand and agree with like dual-key sets (left and right, up and down, whatever) on chords or something (I especially noticed this in Moonlight Sonata, a great touch) but others seem to just be poorly placed.

    The only way I can think of going about this is to just play each song over and over, and make sure you really want to put a chord-type beat there or a long line of beats. DDR and Frequency were so good because you could close your eyes and, even if you didn't know WHAT beat was coming up, you knew a beat was coming up. FFR seems to have a lot of dead space where there should be a beat and a lot of beats where there shouldn't be. Maybe there should be a method for people to offer suggestions on each song or even a song creator (where we could add/delete our own arrows and offer that as a suggestion for a certain part, or all, of the song). Without at least one person dedicated to this task full time it would be near impossible to make each song as good as it could be, even then it would be daunting at least. Tapping the community you already have would be the best way to do this IMO.

    I'd even like to see a nice set of songs improved before I saw more added.

    Also take this as constructive critiscm only, in no way does this mean I dislike the game, quite the contrary in fact. I would just like to see it reach of a level of true greatness.

    Just my .02 cents...
    \"What\'s the point of power if you can\'t abuse it?\"
    --VendettaX
  • 87x
    Retired Staff
    • Dec 2002
    • 4379

    #2
    well... thnx for your tib bit... but most of the songs on here are not done by a person who is really into making stepfiles... but if you go to dance 3 and play beethovens virus you will see that you can close your eyes and see the beats... if you stick around for future updates with songs.. you will see better coordination of the arrows


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    87x: more like.. professional goth.

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    • jewpinthethird
      (The Fat's Sabobah)
      FFR Music Producer
      • Nov 2002
      • 11711

      #3
      Wow. Finally, someone with some actually constructive "criticism".

      I want the rest of you to take notes, because this is how a suggestion is supposed to be done.

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      • hund
        FFR Player
        • Aug 2003
        • 447

        #4
        what?!?!...wasnt paying atention teacher...will it be on the final test?
        Originally posted by Silvergolem2
        Think about it, your playin chess with an old man in the park, he messes up and you use your pawn to kill his knight or something, then you can get up and shout \"Pawned your arse old man!\" and run away!

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        • nestlekwik
          Retired Staff
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Dec 2002
          • 2317

          #5
          No worries about the lack of introductory songs because 70% of the upcoming songs by me will be easy to medium difficulty. I'm into making insane songs, so I've kept the beginning players in mind. We are also making efforts to find ways to keep songs onbeat.


          Originally posted by MixMasterLar
          Naruto Vs Math Class. That has got to be the funniest choice you'll ever make in your life dude.

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          • QreepyBORIS
            FFR Player
            • Feb 2003
            • 7454

            #6
            Originally posted by nestlekwik
            No worries about the lack of introductory songs because 70% of the upcoming songs by me will be easy to medium difficulty.
            NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONNONONONONONON ONONONONONONONONONONOONON0NONONONONONONONONONONONO NONONONONONNOONONONNONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

            Signature subject to change.

            THE ZERRRRRG.

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            • makaveli121212
              FFR Player
              • May 2003
              • 3823

              #7
              ha .02 cents, more like 2 cents, or $.02...unless he meant 2 hundreths of a cent
              Originally posted by VxDx
              Stick it in her butt and pee.

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              • nestlekwik
                Retired Staff
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Dec 2002
                • 2317

                #8
                Originally posted by makaveli121212
                ha .02 cents, more like 2 cents, or $.02...unless he meant 2 hundreths of a cent
                They can do that in some countries you know.


                Originally posted by MixMasterLar
                Naruto Vs Math Class. That has got to be the funniest choice you'll ever make in your life dude.

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                • Brainmaster07
                  FFR Player
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 2891

                  #9
                  You have to make atleast one insane song, harder then one minute waltz or revolutionary

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                  • nestlekwik
                    Retired Staff
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 2317

                    #10
                    So....mindlessly insane then?

                    1/32 jumps throughout the entire song?

                    I'll do it as a joke song like I did for Pwnd!, but I'll have to find a good song for it.


                    Originally posted by MixMasterLar
                    Naruto Vs Math Class. That has got to be the funniest choice you'll ever make in your life dude.

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                    • 87x
                      Retired Staff
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 4379

                      #11
                      moby 1000... its 1000 bpm at its fastest point...


                      RAVEnHEXa: Lip ring is because I want to be a professional piercer.
                      87x: more like.. professional goth.

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                      • QreepyBORIS
                        FFR Player
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 7454

                        #12
                        No speed changes.

                        I heard that song was crap.

                        INSTEAD, ask AMARA if we can use Pulse.

                        The one song I will not beat. Too long.

                        Just find a snare drum solo. I forgot what this one REALLY REALLY good one was...but yeah, do one of those.

                        Signature subject to change.

                        THE ZERRRRRG.

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                        • jewpinthethird
                          (The Fat's Sabobah)
                          FFR Music Producer
                          • Nov 2002
                          • 11711

                          #13
                          1000 bpm....Fscking Christ.

                          That's 16.666 beats per second.

                          And I though 5 beats per second was a lot.

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                          • 87x
                            Retired Staff
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 4379

                            #14
                            yea... its really fast.. but it does have a major like 30 second long speed change... with the song constately changing beats... but i like the song... until the part where it starts to repeate... then it turns gay


                            RAVEnHEXa: Lip ring is because I want to be a professional piercer.
                            87x: more like.. professional goth.

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                            • makaveli121212
                              FFR Player
                              • May 2003
                              • 3823

                              #15
                              you guys ever heard of slayer, the heavy heavy HEAVY metal group...you can do some beats with some of their crazy guitar solo's...insane, just insane
                              Originally posted by VxDx
                              Stick it in her butt and pee.

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