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  • korny
    It's Saint Pepsi bitch
    • May 2004
    • 4385

    #1

    Sexuality and Gender

    Very good read


    Preface to "Sexuality and Gender: Findings from the Biological, Psychological, and Social Sciences"
  • j-rodd123
    End of the road
    • Oct 2006
    • 3692

    #2
    Re: Sexuality and Gender

    is this supposed to be something new? because like, it was nothing new

    Originally posted by FictionJunction
    wow

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    • tosh
      O Derby, Where Art Thou?
      • Jul 2003
      • 1018

      #3
      Re: Sexuality and Gender

      It arose from a request from Paul R. McHugh, M.D., the former chief of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins Hospital and one of the leading psychiatrists in the world. Dr. McHugh requested that I review a monograph he and colleagues had drafted on subjects related to sexual orientation and identity...
      The same Paul McHugh that has called homosexuality an "erroneous desire" and that the Catholic priest sex scandal on children was more about "homosexual predation on American Catholic youth" and not pedophilia?

      However, I will still attempt to give it a fair read when I'm on my computer and not a tablet. Not expecting anything good since McHugh is vehemently anti-LGBT and has been for decades, but we'll see.

      Edit: Have read through the Preface and Executive Summary so far and my word document is already over 2 pages long. Oh boy.
      Last edited by tosh; 08-22-2016, 07:07 PM.

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      • korny
        It's Saint Pepsi bitch
        • May 2004
        • 4385

        #4
        Re: Sexuality and Gender

        Originally posted by tosh
        The same Paul McHugh that has called homosexuality an "erroneous desire" and that the Catholic priest sex scandal on children was more about "homosexual predation on American Catholic youth" and not pedophilia?
        I know nothing about that I just like how the ambiguity of certain descriptive words in reference to science and human sexuality was described amongst other things that I'll likely elaborate upon when my health returns

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        • DaBackpack
          ~ お ま ん こ ~
          • Mar 2014
          • 918

          #5
          Re: Sexuality and Gender

          I read most of it, and while I can't argue against evidence, I can argue about the judgments to be made about sexuality and gender identity.

          I can totally believe that mental health disorders are strongly present in LGBT subpopulations. I've had heard this in person from mental health professionals I really trust. I'd even be open to agreeing (given evidence) that there is a connection between mental health problems and LGBT subpopulations. Same thing with non-cis gender identity.

          But what people often do with this information is to discredit the legitimacy of LGBT and non-cis gender identity.

          To be short, my question to the supposition that LGBT is 'abnormal' is "so what?" So what if LGBT members are more prone to mental health disorders? Hell, so what if LGBT identity is caused by mental disorders? What does that matter? Do their problems suddenly not matter the same if they're not neurotypical?

          "Ha ha gender dysphoria isn't caused by biology haha" -- even if that was true, so fucking what? Are you gonna say that their dysphoria suddenly isn't a problem because it isn't biological?

          I actually appreciate the tone used by the author at points. Empirically speaking, it's near undeniable the correlation between mental health and LGBT subpopulations. I hate to say it, but it's true. But instead of refuting the "legitimacy" of their feelings, he proffers that these people should be able to receive help and are at particular risk.

          EDIT: To bring this closer to home, there is a lot of research (maybe not so much anymore, but over the last decade) over whether or not homosexuality occurs in animals. My question is the same: why does that matter? People want to say that "if it isn't 'natural' then it's not real" or something like that.

          Like even if something ridiculous like "LGBT is caused by mental health disorders" was proven (p.s. it never will be) that just serves as a motivation to supply more attention to these populations, not sneer at them and tell them their problems somehow aren't real.
          Last edited by DaBackpack; 08-22-2016, 07:02 PM.


          Originally posted by Moogy
          no one cares
          Originally posted by TWG Dan Hedgehog
          there are 743 matches for hedgehog suicide on deviantart
          that's kind of a sad statistic

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          • DaBackpack
            ~ お ま ん こ ~
            • Mar 2014
            • 918

            #6
            Re: Sexuality and Gender

            And also, while the "born this way" theory didn't have any strong evidence supporting it (according to the authors) there is no alternate hypothesis posited, so I'd take that point with a grain of salt (or many)


            Originally posted by Moogy
            no one cares
            Originally posted by TWG Dan Hedgehog
            there are 743 matches for hedgehog suicide on deviantart
            that's kind of a sad statistic

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            • top
              Banned
              • Apr 2012
              • 1907

              #7
              Re: Sexuality and Gender

              Do what you want people. It's when shit gets forced down others throats that you're making a bad name for yourself.
              Like, we get it. We just don't care. Which can be good and bad. Goes for anything.

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              • DaBackpack
                ~ お ま ん こ ~
                • Mar 2014
                • 918

                #8
                Re: Sexuality and Gender

                Originally posted by top
                Do what you want people. It's when shit gets forced down others throats that you're making a bad name for yourself.
                Like, we get it. We just don't care. Which can be good and bad. Goes for anything.
                when ppl stop getting literally murdered for their sexuality then I'd agree


                Originally posted by Moogy
                no one cares
                Originally posted by TWG Dan Hedgehog
                there are 743 matches for hedgehog suicide on deviantart
                that's kind of a sad statistic

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                • top
                  Banned
                  • Apr 2012
                  • 1907

                  #9
                  Re: Sexuality and Gender

                  When people stop getting murdered.

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                  • DaBackpack
                    ~ お ま ん こ ~
                    • Mar 2014
                    • 918

                    #10
                    Re: Sexuality and Gender

                    more like "when people stop murdering people over their sexuality" but the first one sounded better


                    Originally posted by Moogy
                    no one cares
                    Originally posted by TWG Dan Hedgehog
                    there are 743 matches for hedgehog suicide on deviantart
                    that's kind of a sad statistic

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                    • drizzleRomanceGirl
                      It's okay to be yourself.
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 2963

                      #11
                      Re: Sexuality and Gender

                      labels suck
                      hi

                      my discord username is drizzleRomanceGirl0706 in case anyone wants to message me

                      Division 5 2nd place

                      Originally posted by hosua
                      Oh, I thought it was just my internet this whole time.
                      Originally posted by rushyrulz
                      Also that triple post is almost as delicious as a hot, fresh, Domino's pizza.
                      Originally posted by aperson
                      can y'all take a break and kiss
                      (the first section of this chapter)

                      https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5125582...sokyo-no-Jinja

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                      • massflavour
                        FFR Player
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 3102

                        #12
                        Re: Sexuality and Gender

                        good thread, thumbs up
                        .

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                        • IwasAsquidOnce
                          FFR Veteran
                          • Jun 2014
                          • 381

                          #13
                          Re: Sexuality and Gender

                          i gotta weinwein 8===D

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                          • blindreper1179
                            Vice President Of TGB
                            • Jun 2006
                            • 5900

                            #14
                            Re: Sexuality and Gender

                            I identify as a $25 Wal-Mart gift card.
                            Originally posted by thesunfan
                            absolutely I want to vomit on your face irl
                            Originally posted by choof
                            It was like trying to throw logic at a fuckin brick wall lmao
                            Originally posted by choof
                            whats more dense, a black hole or an icyworld file
                            Originally posted by Celirra
                            I've never been so disappointed by a man from Alabama than I am right now

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                            • IamMe90
                              FFR Player
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 146

                              #15
                              Re: Sexuality and Gender

                              Originally posted by top
                              Do what you want people. It's when shit gets forced down others throats that you're making a bad name for yourself.
                              Like, we get it. We just don't care. Which can be good and bad. Goes for anything.
                              this is completely asinine and terrible

                              i think i know what you're saying, and what i think you're saying is asinine and terrible, but just the face value of this post is also asinine and terrible, so you kinda made a double whammy there
                              Last edited by IamMe90; 09-9-2016, 09:00 PM.

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