Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

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  • Reach
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    • Jun 2003
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    Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

    What is strong? I've analyzed the national records for several major drug-free powerlifting federations, and compiled my own set of raw strength standards.
  • MosaicMan3
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    • Jul 2013
    • 108

    #2
    Re: Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

    "Pro" Deadlift, "Elite" Squat and Benchpress.

    Just saying the bench for 148 lbs seems very skewed. Generally speaking, at national level events, I've only seen a couple (non natural) men bench 300+, that are in the 148 weight class.
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    • Reach
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      • Jun 2003
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      Re: Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

      Bench definitely seems the highest of the three and is probably skewed, yes. I would suspect it's skewed from liars, since it's the lift that will respond the most from gear alone.

      You're damn strong. I'm sitting right around "Extremely Strong" for bench and closing in on my Deadlift, and "Very Strong" for Squat sadly.

      Assuming I'm reading these right. If I'm 197 lbs I select the 198 lb weight class right?

      Then again I could drop to 181 in 3 months comfortably.
      Last edited by Reach; 11-11-2014, 01:59 PM.

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      • SCWolf
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        • Jun 2006
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        Re: Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

        I'm at Extremely Strong for everything except deadlift because I just can't.
        Last edited by SCWolf; 11-11-2014, 03:33 PM.

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        • kmay
          Don't forget me
          • Jan 2007
          • 6523

          #5
          Re: Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

          can't wait to be on the board for any of these -_-

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          • MosaicMan3
            FFR Veteran
            • Jul 2013
            • 108

            #6
            Re: Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

            Thanks reach, and I have an unfair advantage being that I compete in solely these 3 lifts. All my training is designed to squat, bench, and deadlift a lot. If I wasn't at least averaging elite, my 5.5 years of strength training would have been a waste xD
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            • MosaicMan3
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              • Jul 2013
              • 108

              #7
              Re: Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

              On a side note. The bottom of the page says being naturally strong is 225 clean, and 225 overhead press.

              225 clean is not an amazing feat, it is good, but I know soccer players, and general athletes able to do this.

              However a 225 (no bump) overhead press, is pretty fucking impressive. I only know a select few individuals that are allegedly natural that are capable of hitting 225.

              Heck my strict press is only at 165, but my best deadlift is 505.
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              • MosaicMan3
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                • Jul 2013
                • 108

                #8
                Re: Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

                Sorry for the spam.

                One final note, only 3 out of the 5 federations they used to cite world records, are "pro" benchers, (At 148)

                The average federation world record is 291.9. 300lb competition bench at 148 is god tier for nattys.
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                • Reach
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                  • Jun 2003
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                  #9
                  Re: Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

                  A 225 OHP is pretty huge, yeah. I can only do about 180 and it's one of my better lifts.

                  And yeah, I know you compete in powerlifting and I don't, though I do plan to get stronger.

                  More focus on the big three would probably help. Most of my sessions only include 3-4 sets of the big three and the rest is isolation movements. This has made me pretty big but my total is just coming up on 1100 at 198 lbs which definitely needs improvement. In a few months it'll be 3 years of lifting for me as well.

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                  • Arch0wl
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                    • Dec 2002
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                    #10
                    Re: Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

                    Extremely Strong - You will be one of the top lifters at most local, natural powerlifting meets. Your strength levels land you in the top 1% of humanity.
                    much higher than top 1%.

                    95th percentile bench for men under 30 starts at 205. 90th percentile is 191. the SD is 35.



                    edit: posted this comment, hope it goes through:

                    Hey Steve,

                    I'm guessing you eyeballed figures like "90% of men" and "1% of humanity", but absolute bench #s for men have been compiled into percentiles before: http://www.sfu.ca/~leyland/Kin143%20...%20Testing.pdf

                    top 10% starts at 191, and top 5% starts at 203. The top 1% isn't specified, but the SD is 35, so based on this I'd peg top 1% at 228. That doesn't seem like a lot to gym people, but that's because gyms select for such a biased sample. 280 bench press would probably be top 0.1%.
                    Last edited by Arch0wl; 11-12-2014, 12:38 AM.

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                    • richyrich55
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                      • Feb 2005
                      • 1262

                      #11
                      Re: Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

                      Wow, arch.. you're still alive?
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                      • Arch0wl
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                        • Dec 2002
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                        #12
                        Re: Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

                        it surprises me too

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                        • 25thhour
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                          • Feb 2007
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                          #13
                          Re: Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

                          When I was in high school my raw bench, was 255. I haven't worked out in ages, and my raw bench now would probably be around 180-200. I have never taken any supplements, or drugs, as I find it dumb, and I was a broke high-schooler so I couldn't afford creatine and that stuff. Keep in mind I was 220 pounds.
                          Last edited by 25thhour; 11-14-2014, 03:20 AM.
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                          • CallumKnowsBest
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                            • Nov 2014
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                            #14
                            Re: Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

                            I can bench 40kg! But Im weak :(

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                            • massflavour
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                              • Feb 2007
                              • 3102

                              #15
                              Re: Natural Strength Standards. How do you fare?

                              Strong - Your lifts are around a 200 raw bench, 300 raw squat and 400 raw deadlift. This doesn't seem strong compared to powerlifting records, but you are still stronger than 90% of men walking the earth
                              back when i was a healthy BW my bench was above 200, all time 1 rep max was 240 according to a calculator (i was 160ish pounds). i never trained squat... did leg press instead. im sure i could do around 225-250 1 rep tho.

                              and shit my deadlift form was so bad i would seriously messed up my lower back if had i went over 200. once i'm at a healthy bw i'll start training these lifts and learn proper form.. only have access to a home gym for the time being.
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