TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

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  • Arapocalypse
    FFR Player
    • May 2021
    • 11

    #496
    Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

    Originally posted by Hateandhatred
    I got up to piss and decided I'd check the thread

    I'm kind of bummed out because there's a lot I want to say but it will have to wait because college and I need to go back to sleep

    I do have a lot to say, so stay tuned

    Peace for now, irl demands my ass in college at 7am but I'm guaranteed-ish to be around from 17h server time to EOD, possibly for a bit this morning, but tbh if anything I'll just be reading the thread
    No worries, looking forward to your thoughts when you're up and around!!! Good luck with college!!!!

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    • Hakulyte
      the Haku
      • Jul 2005
      • 4697

      #497
      Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

      I tend to town read players that are trying to actively "attempt to solve the game" especially if they come to similar conclusions.

      By example early game, MML posted early reads and I felt like I was more or less at the exact same place. That made me town read him. That is because I don't know if the reads are correct or not, but it made sense with the current information available.

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      • Hakulyte
        the Haku
        • Jul 2005
        • 4697

        #498
        Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

        As for who I'm voting it's not really about finding a target to me, but rather isolating what's illogical if my town reads are correct.

        If you gave me a gun and told me to shoot a wolf, I'd be likely to miss.

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        • Arapocalypse
          FFR Player
          • May 2021
          • 11

          #499
          Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

          Originally posted by Hakulyte
          I tend to town read players that are trying to actively "attempt to solve the game" especially if they come to similar conclusions.

          By example early game, MML posted early reads and I felt like I was more or less at the exact same place. That made me town read him. That is because I don't know if the reads are correct or not, but it made sense with the current information available.
          Interesting, do you feel like I haven't been actively attempting to solve the game, in that case?



          (Also I'm currently working on finding some games of mine, will link in a moment!!)

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          • Arapocalypse
            FFR Player
            • May 2021
            • 11

            #500
            Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

            Originally posted by Hakulyte
            As for who I'm voting it's not really about finding a target to me, but rather isolating what's illogical if my town reads are correct.

            If you gave me a gun and told me to shoot a wolf, I'd be likely to miss.
            Yeah, figured that is how it works for you based on how you were solving at SoD!!!


            It's actually quite fascinating because that very often tends to be the way players naturally find their way towards solving after they've played for a while, in any community where social reads play a factor in their games; just interesting to see how people individually find their way there!!

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            • Arapocalypse
              FFR Player
              • May 2021
              • 11

              #501
              Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

              Originally posted by Hakulyte
              I would definitely like the skim through a few of your games to see if it's a similar narrative at least.
              So these are both a bit old, but they're the most recent ones from a game of a similarish size:

              2023: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/38093

              2019: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/22563

              If you click the Multi-ISO dropdown in the bar at the top of the page, you can find my username and ISO my posts from there!!

              ...Amusingly enough, I was eliminated day 1 in both games; didn't realize that until now, that's a bit embarrassing!!!!

              Alignment spoilers in case you want to read them not spoiled on my alignment:
              The first one I was town, second I was mafia, and yes I don't think I've randed mafia in a small game since then - it's been ages!!!!!!

              If you really want I can link some more recent ones, but they are from much larger games so I approach games rather differently when they're at that size!!!

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              • Arapocalypse
                FFR Player
                • May 2021
                • 11

                #502
                Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                Originally posted by Hakulyte
                idk there's a world where there's no shot and the game can continue one more phase + potential hard claim into 3:2 -> 2:1.


                The ideal would be to avoid the devil shot because the odds of the wolves getting it would start being decently high.
                True, maybe the play would be to hold the shot and see how the F5 goes?



                If we miss today and the devil shot goes off though, it being decent odds would mean that would be more okay for the shot to go through? Even if the devil shot doesn't happen, they'd be more likely to hit mafia anyway!!!

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                • Arapocalypse
                  FFR Player
                  • May 2021
                  • 11

                  #503
                  Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                  At this point... mainly I'm just waiting around for Hate/sunfan to give their thoughts, I think? I've mostly just been around now since you said you're only available for these hours, but I'll be off soon for most of the day (again, unfortunately) and will be back around 5ish hours before EoD!!!!!

                  Thinking I'll definitely link this one next time someone asks for a town game, if I remember; regardless of the result, I've rather enjoyed playing here so far and also generally liked the way I've been able to dig into this game!!!

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                  • Arapocalypse
                    FFR Player
                    • May 2021
                    • 11

                    #504
                    Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                    thesunfan

                    Doing this for now, but I am very much looking forward to seeing what thesunfan says!!!!! Quite curious as to where he's coming from, as a new perspective on the game!!!

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                    • Hakulyte
                      the Haku
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 4697

                      #505
                      Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                      I'll just say that I prefer the posts from your wolf game than your town game so, I guess that aligns with what's happening here.

                      I really need to ignore your posting style in the future tho and try to read you from something else.

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                      • Hakulyte
                        the Haku
                        • Jul 2005
                        • 4697

                        #506
                        Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                        I'll just sleep and try to vote around 2pm10~20ish server time.

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                        • Hakulyte
                          the Haku
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 4697

                          #507
                          Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                          Originally posted by Hakulyte
                          I'll just say that I prefer the posts from your wolf game than your town game so, I guess that aligns with what's happening here.

                          I really need to ignore your posting style in the future tho and try to read you from something else.
                          Ok, I'm getting tired.

                          I meant that I still think you're likely to be wolfing here because I'm seeing similar stuff as in your wolf game.


                          I need to ignore how you format your posts tho.

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                          • Hakulyte
                            the Haku
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 4697

                            #508
                            Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                            Originally posted by Arapocalypse
                            I actually very rarely do worldbuilding, it's not part of the toolkit I typically use because the mafia teams tend to be larger and there are too many variables to easily keep track of!!! But I've lowkey always wanted to work on worldbuilding more because I'm not as strong in it, and what better time to do it than in a 4v2 scenario like this? Very compact, basically perfect to do some worldbuilding in!!

                            That being said, I did reread EoD again and unfortunately have not been able to find anything that would rule out the Leetic/MixMasterLar or Leetic/Hate teams though, so am just leaving it at that for now!!

                            Also, the way I'm approaching worldbuilding is fairly interaction-focused? Basically just trying to rule out worlds/narrowing things down from there, though I would like to practice some direct "team construction"-type things later if I have the time!!!

                            Yes, I've never seen you play before and have no idea how you typically play, outside of some meta shared like melon's that I've taken into account, but that doesn't really matter? The way I solve is keeping in mind the core difference between town and mafia, which is that town have no TMI; from that, a lot of town archetypes/characteristics can be found from displaying certain thought processes to certain interactions, all of which spiral out from that single tenet!!! Sure, no two players play exactly the same, but I believe that if you can identify that one key difference between town and mafia mindsets in a person, you can read anyone!!!!!

                            I'm certainly not the best at doing that, but from what I've seen, you're obvious town through the ways you've expressed paranoia that mafia would find difficult to fake/thought processes that display a lack of mafia agenda/genuine desire to solve that mafia would put less effort in because they already know the answer/that sort of thing, just a lot of different elements about your mindset that simply make more sense if they're coming from a town player rather than a mafia player!!

                            Sorry that got a bit long, I just like talking about mafia; hopefully it makes sense!!!
                            I really want to town read you for free just for that post because I feel like that's your honest thoughts on the topic. I also think this is really easy to do as a wolf because you have the truth in front of you. Welp.

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                            • FreezinIce
                              FFR Player
                              • May 2005
                              • 262

                              #509
                              Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                              Votecount

                              thesunfan (1): Arapocalypse
                              leetic (1): thesunfan
                              ========

                              To let the world be.

                              ========

                              Originally posted by Charu
                              Wow, all most of my town reads vanished. Thanks Freez for stirring the pot, motherfucker!!!


                              Originally posted by mellon_collie
                              AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET
                              Originally posted by roundbox
                              AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET


                              Originally posted by Afrobean
                              Lynch all liars is good meta. Period.
                              Originally posted by Red
                              My guess at this point is that there aren't actually any wolves, and all the humans are just going to kill each other until only a few are left. Then the remaining survivors will realize they are the real monsters.
                              Originally posted by TWG Ike
                              SCUM THEATER AA SCUM CHARU WOLF ALIEN ROUNDBOX IS TOWN AND FRAMED

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                              • the sun fan
                                FFR Player
                                • Mar 2017
                                • 655

                                #510
                                Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                                I am not current on the phase at the moment
                                I am significantly busier today than anticipated
                                if I had known this in advance, I would not have been a sub

                                it'll be circa dinnertime that I can begin seriously posting
                                TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

                                FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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