TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

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  • Arapocalypse
    FFR Player
    • May 2021
    • 11

    #481
    Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

    Originally posted by Hakulyte
    I guess if I had a question for you two specifically, it would be why you're not considering me as a wolf.

    Maybe you're just that good, but yeah.
    I realized earlier today that with only 3 other town left, it would be useful for me to try and find just one town to help orientate my world-building, basically just a numbers thing!!!

    As for why it's you specifically, I've talked about it a fair bit already, I think? Earlier it would probably have been Leetic but you/others have expressed some suspicion there, so I'm a little concerned I could be wrong there; I still think he's town currently, but I think I'm more likely to be wrong on him than I am to be on you because you've been exhibiting more aspects of being town than he has, essentially!!!

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    • Arapocalypse
      FFR Player
      • May 2021
      • 11

      #482
      Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

      Originally posted by leetic
      You probably should vote. Even if you're unlikely to be lynched today it prevents the chances of a vengeful fire if you're town. Plus more content from a slot would be good. I think four is insta which I guess could potentially lead to a wolfrush if you vote for someone who's already got the vote but again that would be reckless due to the Freikugel. So there probably aren't any risks here.
      2 is fine on exactly Hate, because they've claimed vanilla!!!



      Should have max 1 on anyone else for now, in case they're the Freikugel; if they claim with 2 votes on them, then mafia hammering them would get them the win!!

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      • Hakulyte
        the Haku
        • Jul 2005
        • 4697

        #483
        Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

        Originally posted by Arapocalypse
        I realized earlier today that with only 3 other town left, it would be useful for me to try and find just one town to help orientate my world-building, basically just a numbers thing!!!

        As for why it's you specifically, I've talked about it a fair bit already, I think? Earlier it would probably have been Leetic but you/others have expressed some suspicion there, so I'm a little concerned I could be wrong there; I still think he's town currently, but I think I'm more likely to be wrong on him than I am to be on you because you've been exhibiting more aspects of being town than he has, essentially!!!
        tbf, world-building is not a great strategy for directly solving the game. It would be more fair to say it's just looking at interactions that could make sense together. It's really easy to be wrong about these.

        I only do it because it's forcing me to consider things I would normally completely miss, but those things are rarely right by themselves.

        I'm only asking because I'm expecting FFR players to know me by meta, but I don't expect players from outside FFR to like how I play at all. I'm saying that because when I started playing like this, I pretty much got executed on sight.

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        • Hakulyte
          the Haku
          • Jul 2005
          • 4697

          #484
          Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

          Originally posted by Arapocalypse
          2 is fine on exactly Hate, because they've claimed vanilla!!!

          Should have max 1 on anyone else for now, in case they're the Freikugel; if they claim with 2 votes on them, then mafia hammering them would get them the win!!
          4 votes is insta. There's 2 wolves alive. 2+2 = 4. Parity 2:2. Could be insta and game over here if Freikugel miss.

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          • Hateandhatred
            "The Quebec Steparatist."
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Feb 2011
            • 1974

            #485
            Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

            I got up to piss and decided I'd check the thread

            I'm kind of bummed out because there's a lot I want to say but it will have to wait because college and I need to go back to sleep

            I do have a lot to say, so stay tuned

            Peace for now, irl demands my ass in college at 7am but I'm guaranteed-ish to be around from 17h server time to EOD, possibly for a bit this morning, but tbh if anything I'll just be reading the thread
            Forgot where I put my old sig lol

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            • Hakulyte
              the Haku
              • Jul 2005
              • 4697

              #486
              Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

              Lame.

              Copyright: leetic

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              • Hakulyte
                the Haku
                • Jul 2005
                • 4697

                #487
                Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                Understandable tho, I hope you do good at college and get good sleep.

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                • Hateandhatred
                  "The Quebec Steparatist."
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 1974

                  #488
                  Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                  Originally posted by Hakulyte
                  Understandable tho, I hope you do good at college and get good sleep.
                  Same to you my friend, Hope your week is good

                  ok peace everyone I really gotta doze off
                  Forgot where I put my old sig lol

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                  • Hakulyte
                    the Haku
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 4697

                    #489
                    Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                    Both Sunfan and Ara looks okay with voting out H&H hmm..

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                    • Arapocalypse
                      FFR Player
                      • May 2021
                      • 11

                      #490
                      Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                      Originally posted by Hakulyte
                      Well, I'm assuming every FFR player in this game who played with me knows that I'm town like 99% of the time here.

                      If there's a wagon on me taking advantage of the fact that I'm not here, it's probably your wolf wagon. It's not really a brag, more like a track record of constantly losing games the exact same way.


                      I don't think my thoughts are super reliable here. It's just that I gotta try something and see if others agree or disagree and then build from that. I think your guess is as good as mine.



                      The only objective things I've been considering is looking at votes and rereading the posts from the players that flipped.
                      I'm curious, do you generally consider yourself to be a heavy meta player?

                      I'm getting the feeling that you tend to read people based on your expectations of how they play, and don't really have a baseline of town or mafia that you base reads off of; it would make sense as to how you're approaching me, because you have no expectations and thus can't really seem to find me as town!!!

                      If so then that's fine, we can work around it then; we'll just have to get to the mafia first before you can tinfoil too hard on me!!!! :P

                      That being said, would it help you if I linked a game or two of mine?

                      (It probably wouldn't because it's been a hot minute since I've played a game like this, but I could always try!!!!)

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                      • Arapocalypse
                        FFR Player
                        • May 2021
                        • 11

                        #491
                        Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                        Originally posted by Hakulyte
                        Would you guys prefer if I don't vote in case you guys figure out who to vote for later on ?

                        It could avoid wolves stacking on my vote and forcing a kitb.
                        For what it's worth, I think it's probably fine/better that you vote now in case you can't make it around later, unless you're absolutely sure you can be here at 2pm?



                        We just have to ensure that no one else votes who you vote for now, or only one other person does if it's Hate!!!

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                        • Arapocalypse
                          FFR Player
                          • May 2021
                          • 11

                          #492
                          Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                          Originally posted by Hakulyte
                          4 votes is insta. There's 2 wolves alive. 2+2 = 4. Parity 2:2. Could be insta and game over here if Freikugel miss.
                          My point is just that the game wouldn't be over if wolves decided to out and insta on town!Hate - Freikugel could just shoot them during the night!!!

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                          • Hakulyte
                            the Haku
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 4697

                            #493
                            Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                            Originally posted by Arapocalypse
                            For what it's worth, I think it's probably fine/better that you vote now in case you can't make it around later, unless you're absolutely sure you can be here at 2pm?



                            We just have to ensure that no one else votes who you vote for now, or only one other person does if it's Hate!!!
                            idk there's a world where there's no shot and the game can continue one more phase + potential hard claim into 3:2 -> 2:1.


                            The ideal would be to avoid the devil shot because the odds of the wolves getting it would start being decently high.

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                            • Hakulyte
                              the Haku
                              • Jul 2005
                              • 4697

                              #494
                              Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                              Originally posted by Arapocalypse
                              I'm curious, do you generally consider yourself to be a heavy meta player?

                              I'm getting the feeling that you tend to read people based on your expectations of how they play, and don't really have a baseline of town or mafia that you base reads off of; it would make sense as to how you're approaching me, because you have no expectations and thus can't really seem to find me as town!!!

                              If so then that's fine, we can work around it then; we'll just have to get to the mafia first before you can tinfoil too hard on me!!!! :P

                              That being said, would it help you if I linked a game or two of mine?

                              (It probably wouldn't because it's been a hot minute since I've played a game like this, but I could always try!!!!)
                              I would definitely like the skim through a few of your games to see if it's a similar narrative at least.

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                              • Arapocalypse
                                FFR Player
                                • May 2021
                                • 11

                                #495
                                Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                                Originally posted by Hakulyte
                                tbf, world-building is not a great strategy for directly solving the game. It would be more fair to say it's just looking at interactions that could make sense together. It's really easy to be wrong about these.

                                I only do it because it's forcing me to consider things I would normally completely miss, but those things are rarely right by themselves.

                                I'm only asking because I'm expecting FFR players to know me by meta, but I don't expect players from outside FFR to like how I play at all. I'm saying that because when I started playing like this, I pretty much got executed on sight.
                                I actually very rarely do worldbuilding, it's not part of the toolkit I typically use because the mafia teams tend to be larger and there are too many variables to easily keep track of!!! But I've lowkey always wanted to work on worldbuilding more because I'm not as strong in it, and what better time to do it than in a 4v2 scenario like this? Very compact, basically perfect to do some worldbuilding in!!

                                That being said, I did reread EoD again and unfortunately have not been able to find anything that would rule out the Leetic/MixMasterLar or Leetic/Hate teams though, so am just leaving it at that for now!!

                                Also, the way I'm approaching worldbuilding is fairly interaction-focused? Basically just trying to rule out worlds/narrowing things down from there, though I would like to practice some direct "team construction"-type things later if I have the time!!!

                                Yes, I've never seen you play before and have no idea how you typically play, outside of some meta shared like melon's that I've taken into account, but that doesn't really matter? The way I solve is keeping in mind the core difference between town and mafia, which is that town have no TMI; from that, a lot of town archetypes/characteristics can be found from displaying certain thought processes to certain interactions, all of which spiral out from that single tenet!!! Sure, no two players play exactly the same, but I believe that if you can identify that one key difference between town and mafia mindsets in a person, you can read anyone!!!!!

                                I'm certainly not the best at doing that, but from what I've seen, you're obvious town through the ways you've expressed paranoia that mafia would find difficult to fake/thought processes that display a lack of mafia agenda/genuine desire to solve that mafia would put less effort in because they already know the answer/that sort of thing, just a lot of different elements about your mindset that simply make more sense if they're coming from a town player rather than a mafia player!!

                                Sorry that got a bit long, I just like talking about mafia; hopefully it makes sense!!!

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