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there isn't a middle ground
there doesn't need to be a middle ground

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I don't know if you've seen the video of them passing this: but based on that alone, it's actually not.

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I am aware that these biases are internalized. I am aware that people, at least the vast majority, don't support subjugation of women.

I was not aware that many pro-life women who get abortions view themselves as special cases, that one was new and eye-opening.

I forget where I was going with this after this but I do want to say that like
I'm just glad that people seem to be aware of the fact that its not a desire to subjugate women that is the prevailing reason behind the pro-life movement at a conscious level. It felt like people were saying otherwise.

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It has to be worthwhile
I know this is the last person I can convince of this ITT but, to steal a quote here, "There are good people on both sides"

but like
actually the truth this time

its as DBP mentioned, it is through normalcy via interactions (usually family members or very close friends) that not being straight has become more acceptable in America.

Abortion is an incredibly controversial topic for sure, but I know if there is more open discussion instead of closing off the other side as being utterly ridiculous, progress will be made.

The things that those women were saying to themselves about having their own special cases really speak to when I was discovering I liked men. I believe progress can be made as a result of this.

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That the desire to subjugate women is subconscious makes it -worse- than if it were conscious. At least evil people have the benefit of their convictions. People who are subconsciously evil go through life not understanding the damage they do.

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If I can liken the pro-life movement as a cult (I know that's a super-loaded term but just for the sake of analogy)

* The cult leaders have vested interest in preventing the legalization of abortion. It is not (purely) ideological, it is self-serving: maintaining and upholding the power of man and church.
* The cult leaders have a very straightforward and seemingly indisputable position: "life is precious. We should not kill babies." Anybody who attacks this point head-on looks like a sociopath. This allows the idea to permeate through the public consciousness without much resistance.
* Many followers accept this position at face-value. This does not make them "evil" in the sense that they are motivated by malice. They are complicit in a malicious agenda. This does not make them without sin: knowingly or not, they are the vehicle by which harmful ideological policies are adopted.

This is me giving the movement the benefit of the doubt since it's impossible to prove that most pro-lifers knowingly are subjugating women (I do, however, think this population is not as trivial as you make it seem.)

Your argument (sunfan) is what I would call "vacuously true." Its truth value isn't actually relevant to the conversation. When I first saw your posts it seemed like an attempt to disarm the argument about how the movement is rooted in misogyny by saying something that is "technically true but is irrelevant": a red herring. Surely there are "good people" that are pro-life.

Whether you realize it or not your "good people" argument is a perfect illustration of this idea in the context of the Charlottesville protests. The reason why Trump got so much shit for his "good people" comment isn't because he was WRONG. Mathematically speaking there have to be some people that you might call "good" on the alt-right side. This was never the issue.

The issue is that Donald Trump said this specifically to deflect attention off the horrific ideology that the movement represented. When we say, "the alt-right has some extremely dangerous opinions" and you respond with "well, not all of them are bad people," you are implicitly supporting those opinions whether you realize it or not.

It reads as an attempt to normalize those behaviors, or, otherwise, it reads as a way to distract people from engaging head-on with the real, tangible bigotry that IS there.

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So teach them. Be the difference you want to see in the world.

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As a simpler analogy, if I said "Neo-Nazism is an evil ideology" and you responded with "well, Richard Spencer has done charity work and volunteerism", you are invoking a textbook red herring fallacy. You are forcing me to focus on the character of Richard Spencer instead of making headway on the central topic of discussion: Neo-Nazism.

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lmao

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Time is always better spend stopping them and undoing the damage they've caused, because they have absolutely no willingness or vested interest in considering that they might be wrong in their views.

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i suck at photoshop but i had to

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please appreciate my work for what it tried to be sunfan

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can you make a version that doesnt have "thesunfan" in it so it'll actually be usefull outside of this cesspit of rhythm games, thnx

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i tried and pooped on the file h e h ^______^' i don't have photoshop so i was using an online editor and don't got my own copy

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You're just wrong about this.
I'm not saying you need to set up a booth at a pro-life rally, just be a decent person when you encounter any of the 4 pro-lifers in Ontario.