Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

**DaBackpack** · 06-20-2016, 07:00 PM

Re: Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

Originally posted by Arch0wl

no one thinks "a person who follows this religion is going to murder people"; clearly when I say "50% of british muslims think homosexuality should be illegal" this is also saying that 50% do not think this. however the intensity of homophobia in a given religion is a probabilistic statement about the likelihood of one person acting on these religious doctrines. no causal claim is necessarily true unless you're just describing a physical mechanism and even then, why you'd even think someone believed in necessary causation I have no idea.

anyway, when I say it "does not matter" i am very obviously saying that your belief does not change the truth of a statement.

I'm literally addressing Milo's rhetoric in the video

"your belief does not change the truth of a statement"

Yeah when we're talking about fucking physics or statistics

if you are asserting that "concealed carry is the solution" is A FACT, then yeah beliefs matter because you are positing an opinion

**Arch0wl** · 06-20-2016, 07:00 PM

Re: Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

Originally posted by DaBackpack

I'll agree that several of the core teachings of Islam are despicable but it's a stretch to say that "we should be afraid of Muslims" and especially that "they are the biggest threat to our safety as Americans"

it is a stretch, that's why I didn't say anything that stupid

car crashes, heart disease, and cancer are the biggest threat to our safety as americans. I'd say maybe feminism too but I already listed 'cancer'

**DaBackpack** · 06-20-2016, 07:01 PM

Re: Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

Originally posted by Arch0wl

it is a stretch, that's why I didn't say anything that stupid

car crashes, heart disease, and cancer are the biggest threat to our safety as americans. I'd say maybe feminism too but I already listed 'cancer'

Milo literally said that

and oohhhh boy he brought up feminism

**DaBackpack** · 06-20-2016, 07:02 PM

Re: Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

Originally posted by DaBackpack

Milo literally said that

and oohhhh boy he brought up feminism

*with respect to violence

**Arch0wl** · 06-20-2016, 07:06 PM

Re: Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

Originally posted by DaBackpack

"your belief does not change the truth of a statement"

Yeah when we're talking about fucking physics or statistics

if you are asserting that "concealed carry is the solution" is A FACT, then yeah beliefs matter because you are positing an opinion

unspeakably stupid

statistics will be the methodology to determine what solutions are best for social problems

to say "this applies with statistics but not when you look at the available solutions to a social issue, which will be analyzed using behavioral data / statistics" is ignorant of the very words you're using

'opinion' and 'fact' are false dichotomies, all inductive judgments are 'opinions' ranging from "adderall is effective for treating ADHD" to "concealed carry is an effective solution for shooters". the only 'facts' that exist are analytic statements in CS, math, logic and so on.

all behavioral claims are probabilistic, and I am saying your position does not have evidential ground to stand on.

**Arch0wl** · 06-20-2016, 07:09 PM

Re: Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

Originally posted by Frank Munoz

"if you aren't even going to use baseline levels of competence to make a reply, just don't. no one needs to hear what you have to say. they're probably even better off for not hearing it."

I would suggest submitting this type of thread into the "critical thinking" category if this is something you did not want.

distinction between critical thinking and chit chat is a total farce made by 17 year old mods who needed the category to mitigate conflict between 15 year olds in pre-AP classes

as educated adults, there isn't any real difference

further, I am not asking people to think 'critically'. I am asking people to think period. critically would imply the replies so far evidence some baseline amount of thought and I'm still looking for that.

**yo man im awesome** · 06-20-2016, 07:12 PM

Re: Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

Originally posted by Arch0wl

distinction between critical thinking and chit chat is a total farce made by 17 year old mods who needed the category to mitigate conflict between 15 year olds in pre-AP classes

as educated adults, there isn't any real difference

further, I am not asking people to think 'critically'. I am asking people to think period. critically would imply the replies so far evidence some baseline amount of thought and I'm still looking for that.

Hey I'm a fan of putting myself on a pedestal and using strawman arguments too

**yo man im awesome** · 06-20-2016, 07:12 PM

Re: Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

Maybe everyone isn't quite as proficient as arguing as you, but that doesn't invalidate their opinions, jesus christ

**DaBackpack** · 06-20-2016, 07:16 PM

Re: Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

Originally posted by Arch0wl

unspeakably stupid

statistics will be the methodology to determine what solutions are best for social problems

to say "this applies with statistics but not when you look at the available solutions to a social issue, which will be analyzed using behavioral data / statistics" is ignorant of the very words you're using

'opinion' and 'fact' are false dichotomies, all inductive judgments are 'opinions' ranging from "adderall is effective for treating ADHD" to "concealed carry is an effective solution for shooters". the only 'facts' that exist are analytic statements in CS, math, logic and so on.

all behavioral claims are probabilistic, and I am saying your position does not have evidential ground to stand on.

Obviously, but I am halfway challenging the notion that the statistics you supply are
a) relevant
b) correct

EDIT: with respect to the gun control debate.

Statistics are just numbers that you get from input, you can spin them however the fuck you want, and even if you account for "reasonable factors", there is always a chance you are leaving variables out, or ignoring ANOTHER prescription with other data

When I say "statistics are fact" I mean that they are computations, [b]not that they prescribe a solution to a problem"

I mean ffs just look at macroeconomics. Literally a bunch of statistical methods that people posit are true because of "relevant computations" but in reality don't have strong predictive power.

To say that statistics in the social sciences produces an answer, which, if I have reservations with, "my opinion doesn't matter" is so goddamn wrong

Providing statistical analysis by its very nature requires selection of variables and omission of others. The complete analysis of this fact is required in order to make strong assertions about predictive power.

Statistical analysis means to provide a model of the world which we cannot capture completely. You aren't spitting numbers into a machine which says "concealed carry is correct". Conclusions from information are performed by human beings, which can be challenged.

As I said, I'm not totally opposed to accepting concealed carry, but it's completely bullshit to say that "it is wrong" to disagree with EDIT: a conclusion derived from statistics

**Dynam0** · 06-20-2016, 07:17 PM

Re: Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

Finally an Arch Ego-boosting thread that appears to be working! Congrats

**tosh** · 06-20-2016, 07:20 PM

Re: Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

How did I know you were the one who made this thread when I saw the thread title?

**DaBackpack** · 06-20-2016, 07:21 PM

Re: Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

Originally posted by Dynam0

Finally an Arch Ego-boosting thread that appears to be working! Congrats

that explains things a little

**Arch0wl** · 06-20-2016, 07:21 PM

Re: Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

Originally posted by Dynam0

Arch Ego-boosting thread

speaking of which I met milo IRL

I got his number actually but I never text him; no reason to

I think the two of us together in a single room would explode the universe from combined beauty and egos

really just beauty on its own but the two together is like inventing fusion reactors and then replicators at the same time

**Rojaf** · 06-20-2016, 07:40 PM

Re: Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

Originally posted by Arch0wl

terrorist watch list idea is only good if it involves the FBI discretion category I mentioned earlier

otherwise, way too broad since even US senators have been included on the list

yeah most of the kinks have already been worked out, not all obviously.

as long as gunshow loopholes are closed and the required background checks give the FBI enough time to intervene i think that's fine.

same page.

and honestly even for people that dont want to carry firearms themselves i think firearm education is valuable. knowing how guns work can help you time a response even when you're not armed.

**xVaLoRx** · 06-20-2016, 07:44 PM

Re: Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

thank u for sharing a0 i fucking love milo hes so sexy

Milo's post-Orlando speech, 100% worth watching

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