Twelve Days of FFRmas: Song Discussions

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Post. Of. The. Fucking. Year.

Don't neglect anything. Sure judges are a lot more picky on easier charts, if anything that should be seen as a challenge. Step something relaxing for once. Someone go step some ballads damn it.



Start with that one!

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inb4smwonshrooms

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One more thing that I didn't have the chance to mention:

Considering the 1-100 scale, 1-10 captures five difficulty ranges on the old scale, compared to the three that 77 to 90 captures; the difference between scoring well on a 77 and 90 is huge... to a seasoned player that is capable of scoring on a 77. To a newer player, this will be a mashfest once they hit past 30+ anyway. The fact of the matter is this; there are 108 files that are 78+ or higher (78+ being the threshold that is safely assumable as "hard" for the community, including myself/others, as it includes FGO territory), but these 108 files capture only TWO difficulty ranges. Let's only talk about the 93 files that are fall in the ranges of 78 and 89 -- within a 12 point range, there are 93 files that are previously classified under the same name under the old difficulty scale (For Gurus Only). However, 12 difficulty points starting at the bottom of the scale covers FIVE difficulties (from Easiest all the way up to Standard). For newer players, there will be a substantial difference between a level 1 file like Free Space (max NPS = 3, average is ~0.87) and a level 10 file like Tricky Concert (max NPS = 7, average is 5.2, and has constant 8th notes + jumps + 12ths. Within 10 points, you're talking about the difference between a casual player AAAing, and a casual player mashing. That is HUGE.

I very much agree with this -- it'll keep the game balanced. However, in order for that to ever happen, people need to submit the files. Judges also need to be a bit more open to judging easier files, but at the same time, it's tough to not want to be critical because it seems like an "easy way out" for getting a simfiler title.

The game does have to start addressing every single level of players, but the fact of the matter is this: we are NOT addressing lower level files. The lack of attention to lower level players is alarming -- out of the 264 files that were released from 1/1/12 to now, only 37 of them were less than a 35 in difficulty (i.e. a 7 or lower on the old scale).

People can continue to deny the fact that there's a lack of easy files, but statistics show it -everywhere-. The fact that ~14% of the files released in the entire year are less than an old-scale 8 in difficulty should make it very clear that there simply is no attention paid to lower level files. Simfile artists (and I'll include myself in here) need to put more of an effort into sending easier files.

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lets complain about the lack of easy files and not step any ourselves

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Here are a few problems with the current system that make it harder to submit easy files:
- As you said, judges don't want someone to get a simfile author title from just one easy file.
- Also, there is a bias against easy files because people think it'll prevent a harder file for the same song from getting ingame.
- There are regular tournaments that require a lot of relatively difficult files, but no easy files, so there's often a push for more hard files, but never a corresponding push for more easy files.
- The 10 difficulties at the bottom cover a too large difficulty range, so it feels like there are already plenty of charts there (compare # of files of difficulty 5 to # of files of difficulty 95).
- We've already seen that judges seem to like Silvuh-style easy charts more than legitimately understepped files. So that means you probably shouldn't step understepped files for FFR, because they probably won't get good reviews.
- The biggest one: Batches are very far apart and everyone but the top stepauthors has a very restrictive submission cap. So if you submit an easy file, it takes the place of a potential hard file which will get you more respect and notice, possibly be more likely to get in, and be more fun for your friends.

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whats an easy file?

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My Blackout file not even making Top 4 shows a clear bias against easy files, even if the context was in a file tournament. I can definitely see the point about legitimately understepped files not getting good reviews.

I'll consider sending it as a light version, but I still did not like how an opportunity for a solid easier file was ruined because of a forced view of a song *needing* to take advantage of layering and techniques used in higher level files, including bursts.

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let's not address a problem but rather antagonize the person (another simfile judge, rather) who is apparent of the problem and has intentions of fixing it (p.s. I have two < 20-difficulty files ready for next batch).

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Haven't you realized this is an endemic problem to FFR culture? It's happened to me many times already, and let's just say... you've been on both ends of it.

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i really hate it when i find out an awesome song got released and its a damn 65+. between work and my 2 kids, i dont have enough time to sit down and play and work on my game.

just because you can put the arrows in there doesnt really mean you should. sure,there a lot of files that could be improved on, and we generally see a harder v2 of it. I cant remember the last time i saw a v2 that was lighter.



also, i went through the public song list and added up each difficulty and came to this:

1- 5
2- 15
3- 12
4- 12
5- 13
6- 13
7- 13
8- 16
9- 9
10 -12
11 -14
12 -10
13 -10
14 -7
15 -9
16- 7
17- 10
18- 12
19- 9
20- 14
21- 12
22- 12
23- 11
24- 8
25- 10
26- 15
27- 15
28- 15
29- 16
30- 11
31- 9
32- 8
33- 12
34- 16
35- 18
36- 10
37- 18
38- 14
39- 18
40- 15
41- 17
42- 18
43- 13
44- 10
45- 6
46- 25
47- 19
48- 21

614 total songs

49- 27
50- 22
51- 29
52- 19
53- 17
54- 18
55- 17
56- 18
57- 14
58- 19
59- 21
60- 22
61- 33
62- 23
63- 31
64- 31
65- 19
66- 17
67- 17
68- 15
69- 17
70- 13
71- 19
72- 13
73- 16
74- 13
75- 10
76- 11
77- 11
78- 6
79- 7
80- 11
81- 6
82- 6
83- 9
84- 9
85- 9
86- 4
87- 6
88- 4
89- 4
90- 4
91- 2
92- 2
93- 1
94- 0
95- 1
96- 1

644 total songs

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yeah cause my post was totally aimed towards you and wasn't a generalization at all.

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Mfw I read the requirement as "Full combo parts 1-5 in a row"........

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FotB - 5/12/12
Crowdpleaser- 6/24/12 ( and also, the only thing that makes CP so high is those little bursts and the LR megatrill, it should really be moved down)
HHST- 9/22/11
revo- 3/16/12

i was stating how long its been, not the fact that there wasnt any

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Bro, I was kinda kidding. Yeah, I am biased and want more hard files, but I didn't mean we should never release any files.

I personally feel we should release files in all difficulty ranges during normal releases, but these special events should have mostly hard files. Let's be honest, the only people sitting around during Christmas waiting for more files are pretty good at this game. Yes, I know there are exceptions... but still.

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Considering the context, that wasn't a generalization. But, I'll drop it there.