Just got Windows 8, but . . .

Re: Just got Windows 8, but . . .

Alright, I'll accept that answer. Let me explain a few things for you.

First off, your processor is of the x64 archetype. You have 4GB of RAM. Both of these are not being used to their full potential when using a 32-bit OS. You can see clear evidence when looking at how much of your RAM is actually being used in those specs. That would be the 32-bit limit.

Flash runs faster when using a 32-bit system. Of course you will notice decent speeds, but at what cost? Will FFR be the only thing you do? If not, then you will experience enough lag to kill your FFR accuracy.

With all that said, Windows 8 still runs Aero as it's own application on top of the OS. This will use up more RAM and processing power than many other OSes.

If you truly believe that you will only use this system for FFR, why not select an OS build for speed rather than deal with Windows 8?

I don't see Windows 8 being a good idea. I don't see it ever being a good idea.

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you guys need to switch to a different OS pretty soon.

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^ What "support"?

Also, I believe that Windows 7 does a fine job at providing lagless FFR gameplay. If you really want to use a Windows OS, I would highly recommend selecting it.

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Why Vista for so long?? I haven't found any flaws with 7 so far.

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Inb4 some group releases security updates for x independantly

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security patches. hopping from website to website will be akin to stepping onto a football field in street clothes.

XP enthusiasts are too niche of a group to have any chance at keeping up, imo.

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That's funny, I remember a Windows XP "important update" that contained software with an embedded virus.

On a lighter note, worrying about Windows Updates for security doesn't do justice to your anti-virus or firewall software. If you truly are going to waste your time setting up barricades thinking no one will be able to hack into your system, you should put effort into keeping those updated. Microsoft dropped major support for Windows XP a long time ago. Look at all of the problems that have occurred, or in this case haven't.

When it comes to viruses and being 'hacked', the number one cause is the user.

I'm just saying, Microsoft's support isn't worth mentioning unless your running a modern OS and are receiving a major update. To clarify, an update worth calling a Service Pack, not a security update.

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yikes, I haven't heard about this incident. link plz?

antivirus software works well when fighting old malware. that probably covers most of the attacks that an average home user would encounter. still, AV software will only get you so far.

if you firewall most of your ports, that does help with safety quite a bit. some other precautions, such as disabling scripting in your web browser and only allowing the browser to navigate to your own list of trusted websites, can assist a great deal as well.

I would argue that these precautions limit usability, however. manually blocking/allowing access to ports whenever you want to use a certain type of process would be a pain, and your computer is still prone to being attacked while those ports are open. personally, I would much rather spend a lot less time worrying about what might be out there. switching to a modern OS will almost definitely help with security, and it's quick and easy.



the OS itself may not be the cause of this huge discrepancy (or at least not the only factor). still, the longer an OS hangs around, the more time malware developers have to poke some holes. XP has been out for an eternity.

true, but it's far from the only cause. reminded me of this post:

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You're asking me to find a needle in a haystack. I'm not going to assume Microsoft would pay money to cover the incident up, but I remember them having to roll back some updates and people trying to sue them because of this event. This was roughly a decade ago.

Did you know that one of the updates in question gave Microsoft the ability to access your computer remotely without your permission?

Anyway, I tried doing a quick Google search for you. But, after 10 pages of tutorials on how to remove root-kits, I'm done wasting my time.

Now, I'd love to get into a huge discussion about which is more important, Windows Security Updates or your anti-virus/firewall software. However, I don't have much time to explain my point of view. Let me try to give a brief summary.

First of all, you shouldn't need an anti-virus. Being too lazy to manually open/close ports is a poor excuse. On top of that, most are closed on default, and those that are open are harmless. I doubt you are running SSH on port 80, unless porn.exe was too hard to resist installing.

The support you are mentioning still seems worthless in my opinion. I would rather have an anti-virus and firewall setup, and only worry about those. Why? Because I can manually check for viruses within a file when needed (there are free websites that'd do this for you), and I'd love to know exactly which ports are being opened and what's using them. In other words, they are tools that the user can control.

If being lazy was a quality reason that supports your argument, than I suppose giving complete trust to your local automobile repairman is the smart thing to do. Who has the time to find out if they're ripping you off? As long as your car is up-to-date, right?

In short, if you are going to play no part in securing your computer and are leaving it up to these all-powerful updates, you might as well open all of your ports, download all of the porn.exes, and challenge 4chan to a free-for-all. Otherwise, use your brain and you'll find avoiding viruses is actually an easy task.

I apologize for speaking in a rude manner, but I can't see your argument winning unless we were talking about a machine on a business or other important live environment.

Edit: I'd also like to add that using a certain OS (ex. Windows XP) doesn't mean you'll instantly get infected. This sounds more ridiculous than my claims about Microsoft without providing evidence. I think certain people are too paranoid for their own good. Oh well, there is money to be made in providing comfort.

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haha, I believe you. I apologize if I wasted your time by asking you to provide a link; I shouldn't have assumed you were referring to a specific article. my bad.

hit me up (or revive this thread) if you have time later on. I plan on having professional-level knowledge of this type of stuff within a year or two. I was never interested enough to do a lot of learning on my own, though, so I honestly have some catch-up work to do. any insights you have would be appreciated.

can't hurt though, right? one little "oops" and you could let some pretty nasty stuff onto your machine or local network. keeping an AV handy could save you the hassle of removing stuff yourself, at the cost of taking up a tiny portion of your hard drive. seems reasonable enough to me.

fair enough. the average user won't have much of a clue here, but if you're able and willing to do so, more power to you.

it seemed like a good idea at the time...

again, if you're cool with carefully managing ports, then that's great. if you're willing to keep track of all of your files and constantly check for infections, that can work too. I believe you'd be in the vast minority of people in that regard.

I don't see much relevance in this analogy. security updates from microsoft are free. if you're talking about the cost of upgrading from XP to 7 or what have you, note that I never explicitly made such a suggestion. you have plenty of Linux distros to choose from.

true in many cases, but not all. new malware, created and propogated in the near future, will circumvent our current practices. that's how the game is played. limiting vulnerabilities will always be a good idea.

I'm not trying to win any argument here. I just want to spread the word about XP being a dangerous choice for most users.

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Iono, my bro has a w8 lappertopper and i kinda like it.
and it runs ffr in browser like a charm.

eh.,

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if the lappytoppy has good specs and a compatible version of flash, everything should be good2go

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So, my parents updated the desktop computer last night, and now FFR sort of works on there. It still doesn't work on the Windows 8 theme, but it does when I switch to the Windows 7 desktop theme. I don't think it's a Flash player issue because Youtube worked just fine beforehand.

Still, I only use the desktop to preview and practice the charts. I always play for score on my old laptop with XP, and I'm gonna continue to do so as long as I can.

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The least I've played ffr with was (once again) my bro's laptop~ and surprisingly it was the best ffr i've ever played
- i3 core processor
- 1g of ram
runs at 2.8gh naturally
windows 8.

jealous cause I have 8gs of ram running w7, i5
overclocked to run at about 3.0gh because mine originally ran at 2.3g???
and it's still laggy, in and out of browser for me.