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**TheRapingDragon** · 02-9-2009, 03:13 AM

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Indeed. Though I could have been classing "people" as a bulk rather than an individual countable quantity.

Maybe I think people are all the same and there is no individuality left in life and how can people be classed in numbers when they are all bulked together.

Fight the oppressor.

**HoneyMelonCalibrator** · 05-20-2009, 11:33 PM

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Lmao, this guide is so win.

**Psychotik** · 05-21-2009, 12:03 AM

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It's not a good excuse to bump.

**foilman8805** · 05-21-2009, 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by Psychotik

It's not a good excuse to bump.

It's a sticky, you idiot.

-___________-

**super kid** · 05-21-2009, 12:19 AM

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Learned more reading this than i did in my four years of high school....

**Ice wolf** · 05-23-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by PlaceboFX

I have a real problem with affect and effect.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/affect.html

**dore** · 05-23-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by danny53x

Why is it "He is risen"
and not "He has risen"
or did he do it himself?
Or did someone raise him?

I get mixed up with rise and raise.

Risen is the participle form of rise. It's an adjectival participle in this case.

When you use a linking verb (usually a form of the "be" verb) it follows this form:

subject - linking verb - adjective/noun.

So in this instance you are saying He (subject) is (linking verb) risen (adjective). To say "He has risen" would be grammatically incorrect unless you could magically turn risen into a noun.

**GuidoHunter** · 05-24-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by dore

Risen is the participle form of rise. It's an adjectival participle in this case.

When you use a linking verb (usually a form of the "be" verb) it follows this form:

subject - linking verb - adjective/noun.

So in this instance you are saying He (subject) is (linking verb) risen (adjective). To say "He has risen" would be grammatically incorrect unless you could magically turn risen into a noun.

What? I'm pretty sure you just invented the term "adjectival participle". "Risen" in the sentence "he is risen" is just a participle being used as an adjective. It's neither an "adjectival" participle nor a "verbal" participle; it's just a participle, regardless of its use in the sentence.

Secondly, what in the hell is wrong with "he has risen"? Abso-freakin'-lutely nothing. It's perfectly grammatical. It's even a straightforward conjugation:

present: he rises
past: he rose
present participle: he is rising
past participle: he has risen.

The "he is/has risen" question is merely an example about the multiple possible uses of a participle.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

**iluswirl** · 05-24-2009, 07:27 PM

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verse / versus

Somebody, PLEASE take this to my physics teacher. This is one thing that has always bothered the CRAP out of me. And she does it all the time.

E.G.- Time verse distance graph.

Bugs the CRAP outta me.

**dore** · 05-24-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by GuidoHunter

What? I'm pretty sure you just invented the term "adjectival participle". "Risen" in the sentence "he is risen" is just a participle being used as an adjective. It's neither an "adjectival" participle nor a "verbal" participle; it's just a participle, regardless of its use in the sentence.

Secondly, what in the hell is wrong with "he has risen"? Abso-freakin'-lutely nothing. It's perfectly grammatical. It's even a straightforward conjugation:

present: he rises
past: he rose
present participle: he is rising
past participle: he has risen.

The "he is/has risen" question is merely an example about the multiple possible uses of a participle.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Participles can be either adjectival or adverbial. They are just almost never adverbial so that case is generally ignored.

Risen in this case is an adjective. It's a form of a verb but it functions as an adjective. So you can't say "He has risen." Has is either a helping verb or a predicating verb. You could say "He has rose" which would use the past perfect tense of rise as an intransitive verb. "He has risen" makes no sense. In this case, you are using "has" as a transitive verb which requires a direct object, which means you would have to have a noun following "has." Risen is not a noun.

**GuidoHunter** · 05-24-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by dore

predicating verb

Stop making up terms.

You could say "He has rose" which would use the past perfect tense of rise as an intransitive verb. "He has risen" makes no sense.

I think I've isolated the problem here: you don't know how to conjugate the verb "to rise".

Rise-rose-risen. Let me repeat: Risen is the past participle of rise.

"He rises from the dead."
"He rose from the dead."
"He has risen from the dead."

And when "from the dead" is understood:
"He has risen."

In this case, you are using "has" as a transitive verb which requires a direct object, which means you would have to have a noun following "has." Risen is not a noun.

To reiterate, "has" is, in this case, a helping verb.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/risen

Both sentences are grammatically correct.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

**dore** · 05-25-2009, 12:23 AM

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A participle can not act as a verb in a sentence. It is a form of a verb that works as an adjective. I just took a class on this and how verbs function as different parts of speech. I can go in depth if you want but I have a feeling you won't believe what I'm saying so I won't bother unless you ask

EDIT:

Originally posted by definition of participle

an adjective or complement to certain auxiliaries that is regularly derived from the verb in many languages and refers to participation in the action or state of the verb; a verbal form used as an adjective.

Note how a participle is an adjective and not a verb.

**Commandersa1** · 05-25-2009, 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by dore

Participles can be either adjectival or adverbial. They are just almost never adverbial so that case is generally ignored.

Risen in this case is an adjective. It's a form of a verb but it functions as an adjective. So you can't say "He has risen." Has is either a helping verb or a predicating verb. You could say "He has rose" which would use the past perfect tense of rise as an intransitive verb. "He has risen" makes no sense. In this case, you are using "has" as a transitive verb which requires a direct object, which means you would have to have a noun following "has." Risen is not a noun.

Uhm...How does "He has rose" sound right at all? If you say it out loud, you should be able to understand why it is wrong. You can even type both phrases in google and see which one people use.

http://www.wordchamp.com/lingua2/Verb.do?text=to%20rise&languageID=13

Present Perfect
I have risen
you have risen
he/she/it has risen
we have risen
they have risen

Past
I rose
you rose
he/she/it rose
we rose
they rose

**GuidoHunter** · 05-25-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by dore

A participle can not act as a verb in a sentence.

Not by itself, no, but by your own definition, it is "an adjective or complement to certain auxiliaries that ... refers to participation in the action or state of the verb."

It is a form of a verb that works as an adjective. I just took a class on this and how verbs function as different parts of speech. I can go in depth if you want but I have a feeling you won't believe what I'm saying so I won't bother unless you ask

I've taken a class on linguistics. Hell, I even took it in another language. Try me.

Note how a participle is an adjective and not a verb.

Fantastic.

Now tell me what the verb is in this sentence:
"I have hit the ball."
or this one:
"I have awoken."

If you said, "have hit," or "have awoken," congratulations! You're right!

Now tell me what the difference is between either of those sentences and "He has risen."

There is no difference. "Has risen" is the verb, "He" is the subject, and when you put a subject and an intransitive verb together, you get a perfectly grammatical sentence.

EDIT: Also, I misspoke earlier when I referred to "has risen" as the past participle, when it's the present one. Apologies.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

**dore** · 05-26-2009, 06:54 AM

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k so apparently my grammar professor had the perfect tense all wrong lol

sorry

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