3 :: FFR Batch Submission
storn42 - 3 - Disturbed [5.5 / 10]
Sept/Oct 2020
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Rejected
https://ffr.fandom.com/wiki/Disturbed
this is the actual chart, not the meme one.

Simfile Folder Name

3 (Storn42)

Note Count

2153

Chart Length

3:52

Average NPS

9.384

Estimated Difficulty

67.35

First Note

0:03

Ending Note Delay

0:03

Hand Bias

x 15

Framers

0 - 0 1 - 0 2 - 0 3 - 1 4 - 1

Jumps

x 394

Hands

x 179

Quads

x 46

Color Jumps

x 28

Color Hands

x 9

Color Quads

x 8

Most notes in:

1/3 of a Second
7 - 21.00 nps 0.5 Seconds
10 - 20.00 nps 1 Second
17 - 17.00 nps 2 Seconds
32 - 16.00 nps 5 Seconds
76 - 15.20 nps 10 Seconds
140 - 14.00 nps 30 Seconds
345 - 11.50 nps 1 Minute
609 - 10.15 nps

Color Count

x 1008 (46.82%)
x 650 (30.19%)
x 21 (0.98%)
x 281 (13.05%)
x 44 (2.04%)
x 40 (1.86%)
x 84 (3.9%)
x 4 (0.19%)
x 21 (0.98%)

Largest Note Gaps

2.13s1.4s0.53s0.53s0.53s0.53s0.53s0.53s
35
28
21
14
7

The most recent iteration/edit of this file is currently being judged while the batch is still open.

3 (Storn42) [5.5/10]
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-[00:10.346 & 00:13.169] Upgrade to hands.

-I don’t entirely agree with the quad usage in this first section, and think they should be dialed back in some form or another, but I understand what you’re following with them.

-[00:20.228 & 00:23.051] Upgrade to hands. Related cymbal crashes to other hands in this section.

-[00:44.580] Personal preference here, this Right 4th follows the same progression as the previous 32nd bursts going to jumps. Also, it shares PR with the following [134] hand, so it might be worth upgrading to a [34] hand to portray that. Happens again at 00:50.227.

-There’s a fair amount of inconsistency across sections involving hands & jumps. Most of then being the utilization of jumps when the structure points to hands. Hands being used at 00:35.051, 00:39.287, and 00:40.698 all falling within different parts of each of their respective measure when they usually follow on ‘every other 4th’ (Meaning, 00:33.640, 00:36.403, 00:37.875, 00:42.110 and 00:43.522 should also see hand usage, but are jumps instead). This issue transcends across sections in all parts of the file. (Example of the immediately following section after this one, hands on 00:49.168, hand on 00:51.286 implies hand should also be on 00:45.639, hands on 00:54.815.)

-[01:34.344, 01:37.167, 01:38.579, 01:39.991 etc.] Hands also struggling in this section.

-[01:44.932 -> 01:47.401] Look at this stretch of notes, and then look at 00:44.228 -> 00:45.991. These are the same section. And while the vocals make a massive difference between them, the note from [00:44.580] highlighting the one Right arrow that might be a jump, is now a hand in this section. Which is fine, but there should be some level of balancing the discrepancy between sections here. Also, 01:47.225 is a vocal but not utilized as a jump unlike other areas.

-[01:50.578 -> 01:51.990] Where hands

-[02:29.306] Solo doesn’t precisely match the 16ths transcribed for the solo but does a well enough job. Although, this 16th should probably get filled in.

-[02:49.865] Should probably be a hand. Similar cymbal crash to 02:51.277, which is the major 4th used for transition to the next section.

-[02:49.865 -> 02:51.277] Personal preference, I would just follow single 8ths into the hand here instead of following the guitar, with the focus that vocals has had in layering throughout this song. It’s also the more dominant instrument specifically within this part.

-The rest of the chart is repeated sections from earlier, with the only major fault being the inconsistency between jumps and hands that continue to be an issue throughout.

-Normally, I would put a widespread issue like this in minimal CQ for it to be fixed, since all the errors fall under the same umbrella. However, the pattern in question is a defining trait for the file as a whole (jumpglut/hands-to-quads-centric file), and affects all sections. More some than others, and in different amounts. Needs a rework on the hands and structure consistency.

huh, i never got a notification for this. I wonder if that was because you already commented or because it was rejected or something entirely different.
also, how is it that i've had 2 files rejected and they both are 3. well third times the charm right?

for 10.346 to 28.698 and 3:24.160 to 3:43.513. I understand why you think hands should be added, but im not entirely sure if thats right or not. The section is built heavily on the layering. As you may have noticed, in this section we have the guitar playing ever 8th, with an additional note for the vocals, as well as additional notes on ever fourth 4th for the snare, and a final additional note every other 4th for the cymbal. This means that notes like 25.875 line up with the vocals and the cymbal so they are hands, and not hands for the crash. I dont disagree with making all of those crashes into hands, but then does that mean the ones are are hands should now become quads? this is the only reason im hesitant to add the notes. I'll probably just add the notes in the end, but thats my current thoughts.
As for the quads, they are backed by notes in the song, they add difficulty and density to what i would call the most intense section of the song, and most importantly, they are fun. quad heavy files on FFR are quite rare. I really like how the section plays and reducing the quads would mean major recharting in the section.

32.934 to 55.521 and 1:33.638 to 1:56.225 went through a lot of revisions to get where it is now. Figuring out the right progression of difficulty and density for the two section was tough. remnants of old ideas are scattered throughout. This leads to some inconsistencies in the first part, that are fixed in the second when i knew what i wanted to do. i think this is why there are some random hands like 39.287. It might be from when the section had a heavier focus on the guitar, or maybe i just thought the snare was louder or something. The idea here is in the 85 bpm section the chart follows the drums. With extra layering for the snare and more powerful vocals. with the 170bpm section the guitar is added in, and all the vocals get jumps. This means the only hands in the section should be parts where snare and vocals overlap. Any other note in this section is likely a mistake on my part. The only exception is 51.286 and 1:45.284. Those are they because i thought it would be a cool secret to have a [123] hand every time "three" is said in the lyrics. You mistook the misplaced hands as intended and missing ones as the errors. So now we're in a place where im not entirely sure what the right solution is. Are you seeing something past me saw, but i have now lost and i do need to put hands in places i though shouldn't be hands, or is the right move now to remove the unintended hands. how do i take feedback that comes from a misunderstanding.

44.580 - this is one of those remnants from an old revision. originally there was a lot of PR for the section based on the guitar. i believe this is actually the mirrored version that used to also be in the 85 bpm section. with the hand having been a mistake im not sure its right to add a jump here with it gone. But if i add layering for the guitar here, why dont i have layering for it later in the section? I think the 2x bpm and density increase is enough, unless additional notes are added to the sections.

1:47.225 has been added. didn't hear it at first, thought it was dis-graced instead of dis-g-raced.

02:29.306 has a pause in the solo just like 2:27.718 or 2:28.248. adding a note here would mean there is an extra note that the guitars dont play.

02:49.865 cymbal's been added. Idk about changing the focus of the section though. the guitar feels like the right thing to follow and better represents the feel of the section. This doesn't feel like a good place to switch whats being followed and the vocals come in a bit early on "bring" making it hard to layer them.

in 10.346 -> 28.698 and 3:24.160 -> 3:43.513, there's already quads in these sections that hold their own weight in their respective verses, and changing the current hands to quads would imo 'muddy their weight' in their positions. Changing the notes that aren't hands, into hands and leaving the current already placed hands alone should be the proper move layering-wise. I feel that your current worry is whether or not vocals are part of the hands or not, but some hands such as 00:12.463, 00:15.287, 00:18.110 (for snares) don't necessarily follow that rule, and would be a lot more clean from a play standpoint just to have hands on 'every other 4th'. Doing so would also distinguish cymbal crashes from vocals, since vocals are jumps, but cymbal crashes are also jumps.

For 32.934 -> 55.521 and 1:33.638 -> 1:56.225, your observations place you on the right track regarding majority of issues for these sections. Regarding stuff like 51.286 and 1:45.284, it's more of a hand consistency than anything. I wasn't necessarily looking at the vocals when taking in the reasons for the hand, but what the other instruments are providing. In this case, the hands at 00:50.580 and 00:51.286 both use a same pitched guitar down strum. There's also hands on drum snares as well. With that in mind, 00:50.580 has a snare, but not 00:49.168 or 00:54.815. 00:51.286 and 00:50.580 both have that guitar down strum and are hands, but not 00:52.344. Of course you're welcome to change any of these around as you see fit, as long as the consistency matches for instruments outside of vocals, as previous sections have followed.

Everything else mentioned is fine.