Swim to the Moon :: FFR Batch Submission

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Swim to the Moon (Storn42) [8.5/10] -FR-

PERMS OK
SYNC OK

1:18.407: Single.

1:53.589: Jump.

2:21.453: This one is technically not the same note as the others. The 4343 trill is fine, but could probably start at 2:21.635.

2:30.180: Same as 2:21.453.

2:48.307: Hand? See 2:45.845.

2:49.999: This is the only 24ths burst that doesn't do a roll-y pattern, slightly jarring.

2:51.230: A single here could distinguish between this and 2:43.896 where there's really nothing.

4:27.870: Preference, but (23)(14)(23)(14)(23) would be more in line for a variation of the (14)(23)(14)(23)(14) earlier.

4:30.870: One of some examples where there's a very clear drum flam. While this is probably okkk, consider checking if using the flams in a consistent way would be fine. Other examples I spot: 4:48.370, 4:58.799, 5:18.085. Sometimes it's layered, like 5:42.623, 7.23.325, 8:42.065, etc.

5:24.070: (12) here (or (23) on the preceding 16th) to match the patterning at 5:20.320.

6:10.255: Missing note here, unsure if a single or a jump would fit best. It's not repeated at 6:15.781 or later iterations, just a one off.

6:48.803: More ergonomic/balanced to make this a (134) since the left hand is quite busier leading up to it.

6:49.734: Missing note here, arguable.

9:09.280: Missing note, arguable.

9:31.994: The vocals here are actually 32nds, not 24ths.

11:01.802-11:14.893: This section of the guitar solo is very messy and not intuitive at all to play. The layering choice might be subobtimal as the guitar is sometimes quite off from the forced quantizations.

11:08.438 [FR]: That's overkill. Not only is the guitar blurry enough to be nearly any fun quantization and pattern here, it's also varied enough to have small trills and other stuff. This plays well and is friendly patterning for someone with the required speed, but it's still unnecessarily spiky.

12:08.626: Jump maybe?

12:11.489: These could be 3-notes flam and the 4-notes could start on the last three since those have a distinct increase in intensity again.

12:12.353: These last two quad flams are significantly offsync, it's not 12ths here, still much closer to the 8ths (if not 8ths).

12:13.808: These 20ths are probably fine. 18.3nps here vs 22.1 nps in the previous 24ths stream. Mean patterning at some points but justified and not overly spiky.

13:18.353 [FR]: Why not just underlayering the first quad here to a (124). There's no precedent of a 24th minijack like this in the chart so it's just rude. Same for 13:25.989 and 13:29.807.

13:40.194 [FR]: Hmmm... not really fun to be hit with those spiky minijacks-to-quad 13 minutes in.

15:54.911 [FR]: The quantization is incorrect and it makes the trill really jank to hit properly. Either use the proper quantization without a trill (because it'd be too fast) or with a trill but halved. Following the right hand only easily shows how off it becomes by the end.

16:38.627: 32nds here.

Wow what a journey of a song and chart. This is very fun to play and quite balanced surprisingly. It's very possible that I might've missed some layering consistency on the 8ths stuff but for the most part it felt really solid and intuitive. I have to FR this because of the 24ths and because of the list of things to check, but honestly it's very good as is outside of that. Really good job storn.

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Swim to the Moon (Storn42) [8.5/10] [Fixes Required]

- Perms, metadata, sync are good

Hooooly shit. This is such a blast to play. Every part in the file is extremely engaging and you've done the song huge justice.

That said, I do have some serious concerns with a few sections. Given that the song is 18 minutes long, it needs to have a consistent difficulty curve throughout. If you have even ONE part in the file that's relatively above the average difficulty curve it can cause some disruption and unpleasant experience to the player.

To my skill level (D7+), they were relatively fine to hit, but I also felt that they ramp the difficulty a tad too high. These sections being:

**6:57.077-6:59.560 - Specifically, the 24ths are a bit heavy to transition to, you have two sets of rolly jumpstream transitioning into holed jumptrill manip. A way I could see this mitigated is if the 24ths are changed into something like this: https://i.imgur.com/oiEN23E.png

7:00.387-7:00.698 - This is courageous but I think it's spiky, especially when the end tail of it is a hand, which transitions awkwardly imo. You could possibly break this down to mini jumpjacks or a even triplet jumpjack since the drums kind of sound different.

**11:08.348-11:11.620 - This feels over the top, and I honestly can't hear this section being 24ths. If you were dumping / abstracting this part, an alternative idea would be to use a form of dense 16ths JS if you still want to give a tough challenge. This is pretty speedy to comprehend on an 18 minute file as-is.

12:10.671-12:12.569 - Not particulary concerned about this part but when I got to this I went :O

*12:13.808-12:25.262 - Same issue as 11:08.348-11:11.620, except this is a *lot* more spiky to my judgement.

Though, this has much more justification to be dumped, but the execution of this section is really janky, as the straight 24ths don't exactly follow properly the electric guitar, especially on the longest section. I highly suggest experimenting with a representaion that can provide flow to the intensity of the electric guitar. If intense, give it more arrows, if it's low energy, give it less notes.

**13:40.126-13:41.080 - Yeesh. This is pretty extreme to hit at that level, I have no doubt this will cause lots of complaining. Frankly this should be fine if the quads are nerfed to just hands to avoid the minijacks to quad transition.

As for technical errors:

5:08.370 - There's no vocal here, so this shouldn't be grey.

11:26.211 - Missing hand?

13:18.171, 13:21.989, etc - Missnapped 24ths, but it makes sense to dial them down here becuase of the quads.

13:36.580 - Misrepresented hand.

16:38.627 - Misnapped 24ths.

There are probably more minor technical errors that I overlooked. But honestly, if I haven't spotted those during my entire reviewing of the file, it means you've done a fantastic job providing a consistent, and immersive experience to the song.

Overall, excellent file, but there are a few issues needed to be addressed. Fixes Requried for the ** notes. And Change Recommended for the note that has * on it.

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@OP

1:18.407: Single.
1:53.589: Jump.
- fixed

2:21.453: This one is technically not the same note as the others. The 4343 trill is fine, but could probably start at 2:21.635.
2:30.180: Same as 2:21.453.
- Im not sure i hear what you're talking about here. I hear one guitar note on the 12ths and the drums playing 24ths. the trill makes sense to me as is.

2:48.307: Hand? See 2:45.845.
- the vocal felt like it was closer to 2:48.460, but i agree it should be on the 8th.

2:49.999: This is the only 24ths burst that doesn't do a roll-y pattern, slightly jarring.
- This is effectively the exact same pattern as the earlier 24ths but it just looks visually different. The only difference is the last 4 notes, 12 swap and 34 swap. i felt i over used the one pattern so i swapped an earlier burst as well.

2:51.230: A single here could distinguish between this and 2:43.896 where there's really nothing.
- I dont hear a 4th here so i dont see why there should be a note.

4:27.870: Preference, but (23)(14)(23)(14)(23) would be more in line for a variation of the (14)(23)(14)(23)(14) earlier.
- sure

4:30.870: One of some examples where there's a very clear drum flam. While this is probably okkk, consider checking if using the flams in a consistent way would be fine. Other examples I spot: 4:48.370, 4:58.799, 5:18.085. Sometimes it's layered, like 5:42.623, 7.23.325, 8:42.065, etc.
- i'll keep an eye out and try and add flams where posssible.

5:24.070: (12) here (or (23) on the preceding 16th) to match the patterning at 5:20.320.
- good catch.

6:10.255: Missing note here, unsure if a single or a jump would fit best. It's not repeated at 6:15.781 or later iterations, just a one off.
- I dont hear anything that is worth charting. Maybe a cymbal exists but i feel it would still be better for the chart to ignore a sound here if one exists since its so quiet.

6:48.803: More ergonomic/balanced to make this a (134) since the left hand is quite busier leading up to it.
- [124] here is important for PR. I would take a lot of work to make this a more balanced pattern, while still being appealing to me.

6:49.734: Missing note here, arguable.
- I see the waveform but i dont hear a note. Snare also makes for a stronger start to the stream.

9:09.280: Missing note, arguable.
- I hear the guitar notes here, but i think it makes more sense to hold the song with the rest of the chart.

9:31.994: The vocals here are actually 32nds, not 24ths.
- Man, thats less fun. I fixed it, but 24ths is so much cleaner imo. singer why.

11:01.802-11:14.893: This section of the guitar solo is very messy and not intuitive at all to play. The layering choice might be subobtimal as the guitar is sometimes quite off from the forced quantizations.
- I definitely agree, I dislike the section. Im just unsure how to even go about making something that plays better and follows the patterning of the chart.

11:08.438 [FR]: That's overkill. Not only is the guitar blurry enough to be nearly any fun quantization and pattern here, it's also varied enough to have small trills and other stuff. This plays well and is friendly patterning for someone with the required speed, but it's still unnecessarily spiky.
- i've dumbed it down to 16ths which might be more accurate but im still not entirely happy with it.

12:08.626: Jump maybe?
- i hear the cymbal but at the same time i dont want to make the layering *too* complicated and i've already ignored a LOT of cymbals elsewhere.

12:11.489: These could be 3-notes flam and the 4-notes could start on the last three since those have a distinct increase in intensity again.
- good idea

12:12.353: These last two quad flams are significantly offsync, it's not 12ths here, still much closer to the 8ths (if not 8ths).
- Its mainly the last one thats off sync. I've adjusted them to be more accurate.

12:13.808: These 20ths are probably fine. 18.3nps here vs 22.1 nps in the previous 24ths stream. Mean patterning at some points but justified and not overly spiky.
- Yea its a spike, but it befits the chaos.

13:18.353 [FR]: Why not just underlayering the first quad here to a (124). There's no precedent of a 24th minijack like this in the chart so it's just rude. Same for 13:25.989 and 13:29.807.
- I dont think the 24ths minijacks are really an issue here. its only 165bpm 16th minijacks and the patterning is very friendly. The chart already has 200bpm minijacks at 3:56.970 which were fine. That said, I am a dumb dumb and these are actually supposed to be 32nds lol. Fixed.

13:40.194 [FR]: Hmmm... not really fun to be hit with those spiky minijacks-to-quad 13 minutes in.
- Yea, i figured i'd get called out on this.

15:54.911 [FR]: The quantization is incorrect and it makes the trill really jank to hit properly. Either use the proper quantization without a trill (because it'd be too fast) or with a trill but halved. Following the right hand only easily shows how off it becomes by the end.
- are the trills really that bad? its basically a constant sound. what do you even want me to quantize? Accurately charting each note would make this a real mess. also the bpm in this section is innacureate due to recolorizer and it was originally 52.5bpm

16:38.627: 32nds here.
- Never too old to make rhythm mistakes.

@deam

**6:57.077-6:59.560 - Specifically, the 24ths are a bit heavy to transition to, you have two sets of rolly jumpstream transitioning into holed jumptrill manip. A way I could see this mitigated is if the 24ths are changed into something like this: https://i.imgur.com/oiEN23E.png
- I can see how this section might be a bit of a good/boo trap but i dont really see how its an issue. You're suggested solution in my opinion only makes the section harder, adding a [12]121[12] pattern to one hand instead of the simple trill that already exists.

7:00.387-7:00.698 - This is courageous but I think it's spiky, especially when the end tail of it is a hand, which transitions awkwardly imo. You could possibly break this down to mini jumpjacks or a even triplet jumpjack since the drums kind of sound different.
-The section in general is pretty jacky, so this shouldn't be *too* bad but see how its still the hardest one. So I've changed it to a *slightly* less rude [23][23][14][14]

**11:08.348-11:11.620 - This feels over the top, and I honestly can't hear this section being 24ths. If you were dumping / abstracting this part, an alternative idea would be to use a form of dense 16ths JS if you still want to give a tough challenge. This is pretty speedy to comprehend on an 18 minute file as-is.
- nerfed to 16ths

12:10.671-12:12.569 - Not particulary concerned about this part but when I got to this I went :O

*12:13.808-12:25.262 - Same issue as 11:08.348-11:11.620, except this is a *lot* more spiky to my judgement.
- i've nerfed the patterning to be more friendly

Though, this has much more justification to be dumped, but the execution of this section is really janky, as the straight 24ths don't exactly follow properly the electric guitar, especially on the longest section. I highly suggest experimenting with a representaion that can provide flow to the intensity of the electric guitar. If intense, give it more arrows, if it's low energy, give it less notes.

**13:40.126-13:41.080 - Yeesh. This is pretty extreme to hit at that level, I have no doubt this will cause lots of complaining. Frankly this should be fine if the quads are nerfed to just hands to avoid the minijacks to quad transition.
- removed the minijacks.

As for technical errors:

5:08.370 - There's no vocal here, so this shouldn't be grey.
- Double checked the lyrics and this is right. still sounds like there is a new note/attack, but i'll remove it.

11:26.211 - Missing hand?
- nope. the layering is a bit loose here, but there is only a snare making the jump. though i did find a missing one at 11:28.666

13:18.171, 13:21.989, etc - Missnapped 24ths, but it makes sense to dial them down here becuase of the quads.
- fixed. removed the quads.

13:36.580 - Misrepresented hand.
- good catch

16:38.627 - Misnapped 24ths.
- fixed

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Looking good on both our ends. This can go out of Fixes Required. Though I still wish to see a different approach to 12:13.808-12:25.262 than just straight streams.

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found a missing note at 2:07.089 lol

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