Ideal Ratio 4-1-2.5 (Viticz Remix) :: FFR Batch Submission
Wiosna - Ideal Ratio 4-1-2.5 (Viticz Remix) - Script [5.5 / 10]
Feb/March 2021
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Released
https://soundcloud.com/viticz/script-ideal-ratio-viticz-remix
Artist has provided a CC-BY 3.0 license for this track.

This chart is not supposed to be a competitor of Pizza69's version -- this is significantly harder compared to Pizza's version.

- This file has a mp3 lasting much longer then the chart, 3:33 vs 3:03.

- The sim folder name isn't as expected: "Ideal Ratio 4 1 25 (Viticz Remix) (Wiosna)" vs "Ideal Ratio 4-1-2.5 (Viticz Remix) (Wiosna)"

Simfile Folder Name

Ideal Ratio 4 1 25 (Viticz Remix) (Wiosna)

Note Count

2645

Chart Length

3:03

Average NPS

14.6917

Estimated Difficulty

97.59

First Note

0:03

Ending Note Delay

0:01

Hand Bias

x -7

Framers

0 - 0 1 - 0 2 - 0 3 - 320 4 - 363

Jumps

x 447

Hands

x 108

Quads

x 2

Color Jumps

x 3

Color Hands

x 1

Color Quads

x 0

Most notes in:

1/3 of a Second
9 - 27.00 nps 0.5 Seconds
13 - 26.00 nps 1 Second
23 - 23.00 nps 2 Seconds
42 - 21.00 nps 5 Seconds
99 - 19.80 nps 10 Seconds
182 - 18.20 nps 30 Seconds
528 - 17.60 nps 1 Minute
1002 - 16.70 nps

Color Count

x 731 (27.64%)
x 406 (15.35%)
x 159 (6.01%)
x 621 (23.48%)
x 45 (1.7%)
x 382 (14.44%)
x 33 (1.25%)
x 45 (1.7%)
x 223 (8.43%)

Largest Note Gaps

2.8s1.4s0.97s0.93s0.93s0.93s0.93s0.93s
35
28
21
14
7

A new chart file was uploaded with the following changes:
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Hand Bias changed: -14 => -4

Ideal Ratio 4 1 25 (Viticz Remix) (Wiosna) [5.5/10]
> Permission check good.
> Sync looks good (No changes necessary).
> ‘bg’ and ‘cdtitle’ properties found within Simfile Properties. Suggest removing. No other issues found within Simfile Properties.
> File is on ‘Challenge’ difficulty.
> ‘.sm.old’ file found in submission folder. Suggest removing. No other issues found within submission folder.

-You’ve got the added suffix ‘- Copy’ in the folder name for this submission, should probably remove that.

-Okay, so this file is pretty aggressive, let’s go through one by one with that in mind..

-[00:03.341] You’ve got EXTREMELY dense chordjack sections like this peppered throughout the file, so most of this is aiming for seemingly 103+ difficulty, and a lot of it appears to be purely for difficulty (I’m saying it’s overstepped).

-[00:21.563] No 32nds here, could have [00:21.153] (the prior 4th) as a hand as well to match, if removed the 192nd prior to it and stopped the emphasized stream early.

-[00:24.435] Not hand, again, for priority of the emphasized stream.

-[00:37.560] Really isn’t much happening here to warrant the 32nds or the 48th. Happens again at [00:39.552] ?

-Left-hand bias is pretty strong this deep into the chart.

-[01:16.466] A lot of this appears to play fine, but the sheer colorization of these sections is massively overwhelming for most players. Could really use re-colorization/toning down of the coloring that is utilized throughout this part of the file.

-[02:22.716] Minitrill? Wut, also, the section at 02:37.716 is a copy-paste of this section note-for-note.

-[02:47.872, 02:51.622, 02:55.372, 02:59.122] Missing 48th frills here. If you’re gonna step everything, might as well incorporate this into some capacity as well.

-Gonna be a no from me, needs a fair amount of work.

Thanks for your notes. Obviously won't be sending edits because there's no need for me to, but I'll address your points as if I have to:

- The chordjack sections are quite trivial playability-wise; there are much harder sections. It's a bit overdone given the additive layering but I think the parts are still neatly differentiated regardless. Also I wouldn't peg this at 103+ at all, and I've asked Matthias about this and he would easily peg this at about high 90s or so. Many playtesters I've had who are within low to high D7 range agree with that sentiment.
- 21.563 is an error so thanks for the catch, but I avoided a hand on 21.153 because of the difficulty spike it'd cause because of the burst right before it.
- 24.453 doesn't use a hand for playability purposes. Minijacks starting with a hand are not very fun!
- 37.560 goes to the weird "woo" sample. The 48th flam is for the second syllable and the 32nd burst goes to the first syllable. It's a bit on the heavy side, but it's well within the conventions of dump charting.
- 1:16.466 seems to be a subjective concern I think. This section is pretty colourfucky indeed, but I think colour streams are generally fine. I think most people would have more concerns if chords were coloured in different ways (e.g. a red/white/orange triple), rather than singles. This is because most players anticipate those chords to be split but they're not and they have to actively suppress that assumption. There's no conflict here.
- Minitrills at 2:22.716 seem pretty benign to me -- these bursts are 36ths (which would convert to 18th minijacks). Most players do find them to be challenging but certainly far from a spike. The general difficulty of this chart comes from sustaining these rhythms for long periods rather than individual sections.
- I don't see the issue with copypaste at 2:37.716.
- I don't hear anything at 2:47.872 worth stepping. I didn't step any of the hi-hat rhythms throughout the entire file, so there's no point for me to do so.

Your points are very minimal and boil down to consistency errors and/or playability concerns. Some of the conisistency errors are valid, but it really doesn't lead to the verdict and score that you've given. There's also the fact that your playability concerns are generally unfounded or exaggerated (and the difficulty that you pegged is completely off), and you didn't point out the difficulty spikes that arise from placing a double at sounds like 2:31.783 because of the hand right before it. And again, the ones you've pointed out are generally quite minor and wouldn't be substantial points against the chart.

You seem to have a pretty strong prejudice against dumps in general given your past rejects and CQs (and you've admitted it yourself), and this seems to be another case of it. Whether it'd be You Don't Know, Ideal Ratio (Pizza's), or my chart for that matter, I feel that your notes are too unsubstantial to really justify the ratings that you've given any of them (I've seen all three files, and I think Halogen told me something about how he would've given YDK at least an 8 if he were judging while trying it). The prejudice against dumps, I feel, is a lot more apparent when the scores that you've given to these files are also massive deviations from what other judges have given for the other simfile artists' files.

I ultimately don't mind the reject (and I've made some changes based on your suggestions along with some difficulty reductions in a few parts), but I'd strongly rather you pass these kinds of files to a different judge if you're going to give notes these scant and give such damning ratings with no chance of appeal for some files. It is very frustrating to read through these notes and you saying that the file "needs a lot of work" when you gave barely anything to work off other than the general context that you hate charts like these conceptually.

An appeal was requested and the file was looked over by TC_Halogen, here are his notes:

-Okay, so this file is pretty aggressive, let’s go through one by one with that in mind..

-[00:03.341] You’ve got EXTREMELY dense chordjack sections like this peppered throughout the file, so most of this is aiming for seemingly 103+ difficulty, and a lot of it appears to be purely for difficulty (I’m saying it’s overstepped).

It’s definitely not that hard; at only 128 BPM, you’d be hard pressed to break triple digits with that kind of layering unless it was quite. The structure is quite explicit as well; it doesn’t do anything egregiously aggressive, it’s mostly just additive layering.

-[00:21.563] No 32nds here, could have [00:21.153] (the prior 4th) as a hand as well to match, if removed the 192nd prior to it and stopped the emphasized stream early.

That is correct; indeed a missing 32nd here.

-[00:24.435] Not hand, again, for priority of the emphasized stream.

I think this is less of priority over emphasized stream but rather to give a bit more comfort, as making a triple forces tightness at the start of a burst - given that these colored bursts are faster than 300 BPM 16ths, it’s a playability adjustment.

-[00:37.560] Really isn’t much happening here to warrant the 32nds or the 48th. Happens again at [00:39.552] ?

It seems to accent the vocal, with the 48th flam capping off the vocal (a terminator). I’ll make it known that I’m not a fan of this particular accent, but it does have a purpose that is at the least identifiable.

-Left-hand bias is pretty strong this deep into the chart.

-[01:16.466] A lot of this appears to play fine, but the sheer colorization of these sections is massively overwhelming for most players. Could really use re-colorization/toning down of the coloring that is utilized throughout this part of the file.

The only point that I agree with about the colorization needing to be toned down is the disjointed doubles/triples with 192nds, though conversion probably effectively takes care of those -- however, the colored streams

-[02:22.716] Minitrill? Wut, also, the section at 02:37.716 is a copy-paste of this section note-for-note.

The minitrill here is intended to be the peak of the bass growl, though I do think the first few notes of the first instance (2:22.091) should be chopped to create two seven note sequences, the tip of which should be minitrills -- I do like the idea of abrasion at the start of it, but it’s a bit mistimed.

I’m someone who is not a big fan of copy/paste at all, and that’s definitely noticeable enough since it’s basically a structural reiteration four times.

-[02:47.872, 02:51.622, 02:55.372, 02:59.122] Missing 48th frills here. If you’re gonna step everything, might as well incorporate this into some capacity as well.

Not worth calling it missing when there was no intent to utilize in the first place.

-Gonna be a no from me, needs a fair amount of work.

Going to disagree with needing a fair amount of work; as far as semi-dumping goes, this is a very strong file. The only major issue that I feel is the egregious copy/pasting, but I don’t think that’s worth rejecting to the point of wasting a slot in a new batch. I’m going to recommend this being moved from rejected status to conditional queue.

Hi, thanks for the appeal, and I appreciate the CQ. I'm assuming that the CQ is for metadata, so I fixed it.

Beyond that:
- Missing 32nd was accounted for.
- Shortened the vocal burst at 37.560, I don't think it really works as a 4-note burst linked to the flam.
- Changed a bit of the copy-paste to avoid super blatant repetition.
- Minitrill was indeed mistimed, but it's hard to create a minitrill later on with a similar effect unfortunately since the chord is a [34] chord, so I'd have to do something like [34]2131 which I don't think has a very good impact.
- Did some structural changes for the section starting at 2:30.268; particularly I omitted the double right after triples like in 2:35.233 to avoid this being the hardest part of the chart by some distance.

A new chart file was uploaded with the following changes:
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Note Count changed: 2652 => 2646
AVG NPS changed: 14.73061 => 14.69728
Hand Bias changed: -4 => -6

A new chart file was uploaded with the following changes:
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Note Count changed: 2646 => 2645
AVG NPS changed: 14.69728 => 14.69172
Hand Bias changed: -6 => -7