Seeing into the future

Takisho · 12-21-2003, 08:30 AM

I was thinking. If I looked into the future and saw that I was going to be killed in a car wreck, for instance, then I would know to not ride in a car on that day. But if I don't ride in a car on that day, then that wouldn't truly be my future. So you could practically never see the true future because you would change it some how. Something interesting that my brother told me about was that there's a theory that every time we make a decision, the universe splits into two universes, and both of those universes go off in their own directions. Like if I said yes to something, it would make another universe in which I said no. So when I look into the future, I'm seeing the future of me in my current universe, but then I change my decision thereby creating another universe. It's a pretty confusing concept; I can barely comprehend some of it.

12-21-2003, 11:06 AM

Your brother's idea has been discussed before. Basically it theorizes that there are infinite parallel universes, and what we do simply moves us through those universes and our brains perceive it as "time" and "choice". I think it's kind of contradictory to Occam's razor though.

As I believe there is no fate, I don't believe in prognostication either.

**lightdarkness** · 12-21-2003, 11:23 AM

wow
i was typing up a 3 page thing to put on this forum and now you ruined it
great, thanks
but all jokes aside, i do belive that

Takisho · 12-21-2003, 11:56 AM

Lol you can still put it on here because you're probably smarter than I am. Plus, who am I to stop you?

Falcon · 12-21-2003, 12:25 PM

well, this argument all relates back to fate i suppose. if its "fated to happen", then it will happen. take for instance (and i know these are fictional) but the multiple times that greek heros or kings attempted to interpret their future from the sayings of an oracle or a prophet. nearly always, regardless of what they tried to do to avoid it, what was meant by the prophesy came true... in short, fate.

however, i dont believe in fate. i would agree with what you said, as far as "if you see something in the future, it is no longer the future because you will try to change it." the future is a paradox

if we know it, it changes. if we dont, we dont know whats coming.

Brainmaster07 · 12-21-2003, 01:09 PM

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my brother told me about was that there's a theory that every time we make a decision, the universe splits into two universes, and both of those universes go off in their own directions.

*Cough* Chrono Cross *Cough*

Does give you something to think about though. Of course I doubt we ever will perfect time travel, so seeing into the future probably can't even happen... But what do I know.

**Freak83** · 12-21-2003, 01:29 PM

So many questions... not enough answers... I'd just like to know if this is true or not, but I doubt I'd know in my lifetime.

JustJono · 12-21-2003, 01:51 PM

I've heard something like that splitting universe theory, except instead of the universe splitting, it was the dimension you were in. Come to think of it, 'splitting universe' makes more sense.

dontcareaboutmyid · 12-23-2003, 10:27 AM

you know, crono cross for playstation tells an awesome story about split universes, in one he's dead in the other he's alive because of one decision.

I think it would be neat after we're dead and whatnot, to view what would have happened's.

i truely understand the theory of split universes by the way.

Takisho · 12-23-2003, 11:09 AM

Never played Chrono Cross...I've played Chrono Trigger though. That game fucking PWNZ.

tristia · 12-26-2003, 07:21 PM

theres a movie out now called paycheck... not a great movie, but it dives into the idea of this a little bit... doesnt go into the whole split universe theory, btut it goes more along the lines of "you can see that there will be a plague, so you herd up all the sick and windup causing this plague yourself". (that was an example from the movie). thought it was interesting.

Takisho · 12-26-2003, 09:06 PM

Yeah, I've seen the movie Time Machine. That goes with the theory that you can't change the future no matter what; if someone's going to die in a car wreck, and you keep them from driving a car, they will get struck by lightning, and if it doesn't storm, they will have a heart attack, and if they take heart attack pills, their house will collapse on them, and if they reinforce their roof, they will fall off the roof, and if their lawn is made of marshmallows, they will die of a sugar overdose, and if the marshmallows are sugar-free, they will die of depression, and if they aren't sad because they don't like sugar, they will die of a sucrose shortage. So basically, one way or another, they're going to die.

Anticrombie0909 · 12-26-2003, 11:01 PM

Somebody obviously saw 'Paycheck'. Good movie.

Anyway, that movie was totally unscientific and really didn't offer any insights into the matter, but it is something I have thought about. I don't believe in 'fate'. I don't believe our entire future is mapped out for us, and it is something that can be looked at and altered at will. I believe in the 'butterfly effect', so to speak, which basicially states that a butterfly that flaps its wings in the US provides that extra gust of wind to start a hurricane in China. But if it doesn't flap it's wings, it is sunny there instead. I think everything you do affects the future in a tiny, minute way, and whatever happens is in direct corollation to your actions in the past.

tristia · 12-27-2003, 11:17 AM

well, it doesnt go into it in depth... but i meant that if we saw our future it would be the future we created... we see a war because we see this war in the future and go to war trying to prevent it. So the only reason we go to war is because we see a war in the future... you are trying to prevent something that you cant... goes along with the whole ignorance is bliss theme. I also think the butterfly effect is very valid too, i just think its odd that there 2 movies out now that can sort of describe these 2 points of view right now

i personally dont know what to believe...

hEaLiNgViSiOnAnGeLicMiX · 12-27-2003, 11:30 AM

this kinda goes back to the idea of fate. Think of it this way, let's say you are absolutely DESTINED or whatever to die in a car wreck and you figure that out some time during your life. So from then on, you decide to avoid riding in a car. but, like said, it's destined. So one day you cross the road, you could still get ran over by a car. LOL maybe what I jus said didn't make sense, so let me clear it up a litle. What i'm TRYING to say is that you can change the future to your liking, but if something's destined to happen to you, it'll happen. No avoiding, no hiding, and no changing. Did anyone even understand a THING that I just said? if not, hehe ignore it...:S

JustJono · 12-27-2003, 02:23 PM

It was very easy to understand. It's okay.. don't have a heartattack over it. (hehe)

emoette1 · 12-31-2003, 10:24 AM

Termintator 3 goes into that...how no matter what you do, something that was meant to happen will happen anyway, even if you try to stop it...

**Moogy** · 12-31-2003, 01:46 PM

Has anyone seen the previews for the movie "The Butterfly Effect"? It seems to focus on this subject...

chillywilly · 12-31-2003, 01:53 PM

then there would be to many universes. just look at how many descisions you make in 1 day. where would all the universes fit? and if that is true, then we are all a result of 1 persons desicion!

JustJono · 12-31-2003, 03:19 PM

Chilly, here's something to think about.

All the universes would fit in WHAT, exactly?

12-21-2003, 08:30 AM	#1
Takisho FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 920	Seeing into the future I was thinking. If I looked into the future and saw that I was going to be killed in a car wreck, for instance, then I would know to not ride in a car on that day. But if I don't ride in a car on that day, then that wouldn't truly be my future. So you could practically never see the true future because you would change it some how. Something interesting that my brother told me about was that there's a theory that every time we make a decision, the universe splits into two universes, and both of those universes go off in their own directions. Like if I said yes to something, it would make another universe in which I said no. So when I look into the future, I'm seeing the future of me in my current universe, but then I change my decision thereby creating another universe. It's a pretty confusing concept; I can barely comprehend some of it.

12-21-2003, 11:23 AM	#3
lightdarkness Summer!! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York Age: 35 Posts: 11,308	wow i was typing up a 3 page thing to put on this forum and now you ruined it great, thanks but all jokes aside, i do belive that __________________

12-21-2003, 12:25 PM	#5
Falcon FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 433	well, this argument all relates back to fate i suppose. if its "fated to happen", then it will happen. take for instance (and i know these are fictional) but the multiple times that greek heros or kings attempted to interpret their future from the sayings of an oracle or a prophet. nearly always, regardless of what they tried to do to avoid it, what was meant by the prophesy came true... in short, fate. however, i dont believe in fate. i would agree with what you said, as far as "if you see something in the future, it is no longer the future because you will try to change it." the future is a paradox if we know it, it changes. if we dont, we dont know whats coming. __________________

12-21-2003, 01:51 PM	#8
JustJono FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 283	I've heard something like that splitting universe theory, except instead of the universe splitting, it was the dimension you were in. Come to think of it, 'splitting universe' makes more sense. __________________ Jonathan Cruz http://www.mp3unsigned.com/Jono.asp

12-23-2003, 10:27 AM	#9
dontcareaboutmyid FFR Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wisconsin, Close to Canada Age: 37 Posts: 2,103	you know, crono cross for playstation tells an awesome story about split universes, in one he's dead in the other he's alive because of one decision. I think it would be neat after we're dead and whatnot, to view what would have happened's. i truely understand the theory of split universes by the way. __________________ Theory of Quantum Fetish Mechanics

12-21-2003, 11:06 AM	#2
User6773 Guest Posts: n/a	Your brother's idea has been discussed before. Basically it theorizes that there are infinite parallel universes, and what we do simply moves us through those universes and our brains perceive it as "time" and "choice". I think it's kind of contradictory to Occam's razor though. As I believe there is no fate, I don't believe in prognostication either.

12-21-2003, 11:56 AM	#4
Takisho FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 920	Lol you can still put it on here because you're probably smarter than I am. Plus, who am I to stop you?

12-21-2003, 01:29 PM	#7
Freak83 FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,281	So many questions... not enough answers... I'd just like to know if this is true or not, but I doubt I'd know in my lifetime.

12-23-2003, 11:09 AM	#10
Takisho FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 920	Never played Chrono Cross...I've played Chrono Trigger though. That game fucking PWNZ.

12-26-2003, 07:21 PM	#11
tristia FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Age: 38 Posts: 419	theres a movie out now called paycheck... not a great movie, but it dives into the idea of this a little bit... doesnt go into the whole split universe theory, btut it goes more along the lines of "you can see that there will be a plague, so you herd up all the sick and windup causing this plague yourself". (that was an example from the movie). thought it was interesting. __________________ Yay MySpace

12-26-2003, 09:06 PM	#12
Takisho FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 920	Yeah, I've seen the movie Time Machine. That goes with the theory that you can't change the future no matter what; if someone's going to die in a car wreck, and you keep them from driving a car, they will get struck by lightning, and if it doesn't storm, they will have a heart attack, and if they take heart attack pills, their house will collapse on them, and if they reinforce their roof, they will fall off the roof, and if their lawn is made of marshmallows, they will die of a sugar overdose, and if the marshmallows are sugar-free, they will die of depression, and if they aren't sad because they don't like sugar, they will die of a sucrose shortage. So basically, one way or another, they're going to die.

12-26-2003, 11:01 PM	#13
Anticrombie0909 FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,683	Somebody obviously saw 'Paycheck'. Good movie. Anyway, that movie was totally unscientific and really didn't offer any insights into the matter, but it is something I have thought about. I don't believe in 'fate'. I don't believe our entire future is mapped out for us, and it is something that can be looked at and altered at will. I believe in the 'butterfly effect', so to speak, which basicially states that a butterfly that flaps its wings in the US provides that extra gust of wind to start a hurricane in China. But if it doesn't flap it's wings, it is sunny there instead. I think everything you do affects the future in a tiny, minute way, and whatever happens is in direct corollation to your actions in the past.

12-27-2003, 11:17 AM	#14
tristia FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Age: 38 Posts: 419	well, it doesnt go into it in depth... but i meant that if we saw our future it would be the future we created... we see a war because we see this war in the future and go to war trying to prevent it. So the only reason we go to war is because we see a war in the future... you are trying to prevent something that you cant... goes along with the whole ignorance is bliss theme. I also think the butterfly effect is very valid too, i just think its odd that there 2 movies out now that can sort of describe these 2 points of view right now i personally dont know what to believe... __________________ Yay MySpace

12-27-2003, 11:30 AM	#15
hEaLiNgViSiOnAnGeLicMiX FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hi Linus. Posts: 1,663	this kinda goes back to the idea of fate. Think of it this way, let's say you are absolutely DESTINED or whatever to die in a car wreck and you figure that out some time during your life. So from then on, you decide to avoid riding in a car. but, like said, it's destined. So one day you cross the road, you could still get ran over by a car. LOL maybe what I jus said didn't make sense, so let me clear it up a litle. What i'm TRYING to say is that you can change the future to your liking, but if something's destined to happen to you, it'll happen. No avoiding, no hiding, and no changing. Did anyone even understand a THING that I just said? if not, hehe ignore it...:S __________________ Ananana: Girls are so complicated. That\'s why I\'m not a lesbian. Anuj: Marry me Karen XD Anuj: omfg somebody suck my wee wee >.<

12-27-2003, 02:23 PM	#16
JustJono FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 283	It was very easy to understand. It's okay.. don't have a heartattack over it. (hehe) __________________ Jonathan Cruz http://www.mp3unsigned.com/Jono.asp

12-31-2003, 10:24 AM	#17
emoette1 FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1	Termintator 3 goes into that...how no matter what you do, something that was meant to happen will happen anyway, even if you try to stop it...

12-31-2003, 01:46 PM	#18
Moogy 嗚呼 Join Date: Aug 2003 Age: 34 Posts: 10,303	Has anyone seen the previews for the movie "The Butterfly Effect"? It seems to focus on this subject... __________________ Plz visit my blog ^^^ vintage signature from like 2006 preserved

12-31-2003, 01:53 PM	#19
chillywilly FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Brick, NJ Posts: 640	then there would be to many universes. just look at how many descisions you make in 1 day. where would all the universes fit? and if that is true, then we are all a result of 1 persons desicion!

12-31-2003, 03:19 PM	#20
JustJono FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 283	Chilly, here's something to think about. All the universes would fit in WHAT, exactly? __________________ Jonathan Cruz http://www.mp3unsigned.com/Jono.asp

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