Is it wrong to be gay?

[Flaming_Dingleberry]

1) Gayness is not a choice.

2) Smoking isn't comparable to sexual orientation.

3) Gayness isn't incorrect, no. It is indeed a fact.

[mhss1992]

They cleaned the thread again...

[MyRoseTearsBlood]

Originally Posted by MyRoseTearsBlood

There is nothing wrong with being gay. People are just closed minded.
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This.

[bobeck]

To those who support the homosexuals..... I have a question. What separates a homosexual from one who engages in bestiality? Are those individuals who practice bestiality to be widely accepted and even encouraged? After all, it's a ''psychological desire, does not harm anyone, and makes them happy" (arguments used by advocates of homosexuals).

I make the comparison between homosexuals and those who practice bestiality to illustrate that there are things that are inherently wrong, such that mere "feelings or psychological desires, or harm to others" can not be the basis for determining whether something is right or wrong.

I am predicating the above paragraph on the hopeful supposition that one frowns upon the practice of bestiality. If I am wrong, and the majority of you do openly accept the practice of bestiality, then it is a very sad and dismal day, which can only become darker.

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by bobeck

I have a question. What separates a homosexual from one who engages in bestiality?

Race maybe?

[qqwref]

Originally Posted by bobeck

To those who support the homosexuals..... I have a question. What separates a homosexual from one who engages in bestiality? Are those individuals who practice bestiality to be widely accepted and even encouraged? After all, it's a ''psychological desire, does not harm anyone, and makes them happy" (arguments used by advocates of homosexuals).

There's actually a really big difference... homosexuals want to have sex with other humans, whereas those who engage in bestiality want to have sex with non-humans. This is a really important difference because of the issue of consent. What a group of people (whatever their sexuality) do in private is their own business, and if all of those people have consented to the act and didn't withdraw consent, then nobody is being hurt in any way and there is really nothing wrong with whatever happens. On the other hand, when you bring animals into the mix, consent becomes impossible to prove, because animals can't talk. There's no way to be sure that an animal is giving consent, and you can't ask the animal after the fact if they're OK with what happened. In that case, what's wrong is the possibility of rape, and you can never prove that rape didn't happen like you can with people.

[bobeck]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Race maybe?

I believe you mean species.. not race. But never the less, if gender doesn't have any bearing on our drive for sexuality, what difference would race or species have? (notice i said DRIVE for sexuality) I'm fully aware of the physical disparities; procreation be one of them.

[fido123]

Originally Posted by bobeck

I believe you mean species.. not race. But never the less, if gender doesn't have any bearing on our drive for sexuality, what difference would race or species have? (notice i said DRIVE for sexuality) I'm fully aware of the physical disparities; procreation be one of them.

Bestiality is an issue of consent. If an animal could give consent and does **** him/her...why should you care? You may think it's disgusting, I would to, and that's A-OK. Does that make it wrong? Why would it? Not hurting, or putting anybody at a disadvantage. Same with homosexuals. Why are you concerned with who somebody else is having s hex with? Do you plan to be involved in their sex life? Does their sex life have any negative impact on your life? If the population was low I could see an argument...but we need to cut down on reproduction.

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by bobeck

I believe you mean species.. not race. But never the less, if gender doesn't have any bearing on our drive for sexuality, what difference would race or species have? (notice i said DRIVE for sexuality) I'm fully aware of the physical disparities; procreation be one of them.

I don't think it's called the human race for no reason.

[bobeck]

Originally Posted by Izzy

I don't think it's called the human race for no reason.

I'm sorry, I guess I took ''race'' to mean the typical and common understanding of national origin (as in racial segregation).

But back on topic and addressing fido123's last post, It appears then that you truly do believe that only the issue of harm to others is what determines what makes something right or wrong. And upon that theory, one then must accept and condone such grotesque practices as bestiality, not to mention all other activities which I do not care to discuss that are equally if not more disgusting.

I was hoping to cause one to see how some act so abominable as to offend the morality of the general population in today's lenient society can and probably will be the norm if one continues to apply that ''rule of law''. One should realize that there must be some other factor in determine "right or wrong" than just the harm it causes to others; for without some additional guidance, worse things will come.

[Izzy]

Your posts are a bunch of useless fluff. You still aren't making the connection of why homosexuality is like bestiality.

How is allowing sexuality between any genders anything like sexuality with different species?

[Grandiagod]

Originally Posted by bobeck

One should realize that there must be some other factor in determine "right or wrong" than just the harm it causes to others; for without some additional guidance, worse things will come.

If something causes no harm then it will cause harm?

You make sense.

[Grandiagod]

Also human beings are the only animals on this planet sentient enough to give consent.

Now go troll somewhere else.

[Izzy]

Maybe once cannibalism is commonly accepted we will probably be ok with beastiality.

[qqwref]

What's wrong with cannibalism? (Assuming the person being eaten is already dead, of course. And that none of their friends/family have any problem with them being eaten.)

[Izzy]

I don't know. It just isn't commonly accepted.

I would think that most people would find it ok in extreme situations though.

Personally I feel like it would be a great idea to end world hunger. Although then we have tons of issues that would come up. People would probably end up being killed for food and people would eat their murder victims. (Not that this doesn't already happen, but yea) Elders would get euthanised by doctors to sell their meat. It just isn't a food market we would want.

[mellonxcollie]

Putting all moral issues aside, there are several health risks associated with eating animals of any species that died naturally. Even if someone didn't have any moral objections to eating another human, their health could be seriously put at risk. In order for cannibalism to be safe biologically, you would need to murder someone, which is really not practical at all. You're better off eating meats that are legally killed and processed.

[bobeck]

Bestiality is right because i have no control over my sexual desires, I was born with an physical desire to have sex with animals, it does not hurt anyone, and It's none of your business who I have sex with.

Now, just replace the word "bestiality" with the word "homosexuality" and the word "animals" with the word ''same sex''. As you can see, the same reasons used to justify homosexuality are the same reasons one can justify bestiality. (the connection between the two lies not in the act but in the justification). If you are ready to say homosexuality is right, you better join with the perverts who also advocate bestiality.



*note: in regards to consent. Consent is only an issue in this topic with regards to ''hurting someone''. There are many ways to determine an animal is not being hurt, mainly by actions that express voluntary subjugation. For this reason a person is not charged with battery every time he pets the dog, for by definition battery is an touching without consent.

[Izzy]

The only problem is that people really are born with the desire to have sex with the same gender and people aren't born with the sexual desire to have sex with animals.

People having sex with animals is out of curiosity or being desperate.

[bobeck]

And your source of authority is?? I'm pretty sure (no i don't have verifiable facts or authority either) that 20 or so years ago, they probably said the same thing about homosexuals. That is that they did it out of curiosity or being desperate.