TWG XCI: Waned Lichens

[devonin]

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No I would go for afro or you because you, iggy, have been known to pretty much single-handedly win games for the humans. You'd be a reasonable threat to the wolf team alive so I'd think you'd be a very sensible kill being as how (no offense to the rest of you) I find you to be the best player here currently...

Afro because I left him alive as a human last game to hopefully cause problems for the humans and it backfired and he managed to pin nearly the entire wolf team (whether or not he realized it at the time).

They'd also, for the exact same reasons, be solid guardian choices as well, making them worse wolf choices.

[tupacodaman]

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No I would go for afro or you because you, iggy, have been known to pretty much single-handedly win games for the humans.

Maybe I missed that game, but I thought the most recent game he played was the one where my lucky seerings and his skills (with some help from roundbox the wolf slave/bitch too) won the game for the wolves

vicc for not getting her facts straight

[tupacodaman]

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jk I'll probably change to someone else after I read all of viccica's posts. I've only looked at some players' posts so far and haven't gotten to hers

[Afrobean]

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No I would go for afro or you because you, iggy, have been known to pretty much single-handedly win games for the humans. You'd be a reasonable threat to the wolf team alive so I'd think you'd be a very sensible kill being as how (no offense to the rest of you) I find you to be the best player here currently...

Iggy, like manti, plays the Tass school of thought. He wins games, yes, but he is able to do so by running alliances, by abusing blues, by using exclusive information to pick who to lynch.

He isn't much more of a threat to the wolves than most of the rest of the active players this game. Then again, the wolves PROBABLY wouldn't be aware of this (as most people still believe manti will be able to win these seer-less games just because he's manti), so you're probably right anyway in saying the wolves would probably want him dead.

Afro because I left him alive as a human last game to hopefully cause problems for the humans and it backfired and he managed to pin nearly the entire wolf team (whether or not he realized it at the time).

I only really hit Syhto hard. The remaining three were in line for my suspect list by the end, but Syhto was really the only one of you that I was truly aiming for, especially earlier on.

But we all saw how that fell apart during the last day.

ps dev, bro, you are really bad at outthinking kill choices. No matter how you slice it, the wolves overcompensated WAY too much in killing freaky. They could have taken a semi-risky choice with one of the vets who could POSSIBLY be guarded, or they could go after a middle-of-the-road player who would almost definitely not be guarded. Instead, they went for someone who was a likely day 1 lynch candidate ostensibly to ENSURE that they wouldn't get blocked.

ps tupac, you're forgetting the game we had just a couple games back where iggy led the alliance to kill 4 wolves in 3 days. Yes, not all of the wolves going down were DIRECTLY and ONLY from him, but he was a MAJOR contributor, being the alliance leader and bringing down the lynch on the 4th wolf on the 3rd day without the help of any of the vets as I recall.

[devonin]

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You're assuming, of course, that the only reason they picked Frealky was that they were sure he woudln't be guarded. We have no way to know what plan the wolves are hatching, and we have no way to know what might have been said betwen Freaky and people who aren't ourselves to have made wolves decide he needed to die.

We lack enough information to decide exactly why they picked Freaky, and "Because they didn't want the kill guarded" doesn't even work for the reasons you already described.

[devonin]

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Also, I don't think he was a likely day one lynch candidate, and nothing you've suggested so far in the thread would have convinced me if you tried to gun for him today.

[Afrobean]

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You're assuming, of course, that the only reason they picked Frealky was that they were sure he woudln't be guarded. We have no way to know what plan the wolves are hatching, and we have no way to know what might have been said betwen Freaky and people who aren't ourselves to have made wolves decide he needed to die.

The only thing he could have said to motivate the wolves to kill him would be "I am the guardian".

We lack enough information to decide exactly why they picked Freaky, and "Because they didn't want the kill guarded" doesn't even work for the reasons you already described.

Why doesn't it? He wouldn't be guarded (I even said this BEFORE he was killed), so they decided to kill him. Rather than using their brain to pick the BEST kill choice who wouldn't be guarded, they apparently just grabbed any old one they could.

Also, I don't think he was a likely day one lynch candidate, and nothing you've suggested so far in the thread would have convinced me if you tried to gun for him today.

I don't need to convince you. All I need is a few others who would agree with me, of which there was already at least 1 or 2. If I pushed hard with help from them, I could have wrangled up one or two more which would be more than enough to secure the lynch.

Dev, I'm going to vote for you. You seem to believe that the wolves had some HIGHER purpose for killing freaky. You seem to be arguing way too hard when I say it was probably just a shoddy choice made to avoid the guardian. Why would you argue so hard to push away from this idea? What benefit does it net you? Does it help us find wolves to CONTINUE to second-guess the wolves motives, to think they had some higher purpose in killing freaky? And what is this apparently higher purpose? The wolves are not some higher deity beyond our understanding. So please, if it wasn't a dumbass mistake, and it wasn't someone like fiction or me doing it for the challenge, what was it?

You're reminding me a little of manti here. Seeming to take offense by me calling the wolves out as fools. Why would you be offended by this? The wolves made a bad choice. I think an insult is perfectly applicable here. The wolves are dumb for killing freaky. They should have left him alive and let me and fiction lynch him today.

[devonin]

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Afro, seriously? You're voting to lynch me because I'm pointing out flaws in logic, and suggesting that we put some more thought and effort into gathering useful information before making decisions? Do you even know who I am?

[devonin]

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Though I like how you point out that a reasonable justification for killing him is that -you- are a wolf.

[A2P]

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I know that afro is usually aggressive but right now it seems like he's throwing all of his suspects at random. "Hey guys I know all 4 wolves already ^_^" on n1 just seems like a distraction to get attention away from him.

Try to attack me afro. Try me.

[Afrobean]

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id rather just vote for manti

My guess is that manti and dev are in cahoots. Wouldn't be too surprised if a2p is in on it as well given his vote, but when manti is the only one out of the three with a vote on him yet, he seems like the best choice for me now.

I guess they decided that I'd be unwolfable because of the guardian, so they decided to teamup during the day to down me early on.

ps a2p, eat me. You know well that you haven't done anything solid to attack and my suspicion on you right now is rooted firmly in gut. What the **** am I supposed to attack you with? Simply by pointing out that you're attacking a night 1 joke? I shouldn't even need to point this out!

[A2P]

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I guess they decided that I'd be unwolfable because of the guardian, so they decided to teamup during the day to down me early on.

Ok Afro. Act high and mighty for no apparent reason at all. "The wolves won't even dare to attack me because I'm a wolf I MEAN THE GUARDIAN WILL GUARD ME SOLELY BECAUSE IM AFRO HEH!"

That's all I'm getting from that.

[devonin]

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If they decided you were unwolfable because you'd be guarded, then -any- other target would have been unguarded, and they woudln't have overcompensated "so far" as to make a stupid choice.

I think I know why you knew you weren't going to get wolfed.

[devonin]

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I knew as soon as I started pointing out that I had issues with Afro's logic, that he would eventually decide to accuse me of being a wolf because of it. The speed with which he accused me, instead of using his position as a skilled veteren player of the game to help out the new guy would show me how likely it was he would be a wolf.

If Freaky was "his lynch" choice for day phase, surely he woudln't wolf him, since as he put it, he could get basically anybody lynched. He told me that the game was all about pursuading, and he's pretty good at pursuading people to lynch who he wants.

He's stuck acting over-analytical even as a wolf, because he's established himself in that style as a human, so with less useful info to go on (Being a wolf, he can't exactly do his legitimate best to ID wolves") he had to resort to poorer than usual reasoning.

When I acted like I always have and always will, pointing out flaws in logic where I see them, I became a threat to his ability to convince people to follow suit with his predictions, and so I became the target.

I like how he's decided that Manti and A2P and I are in cahoots, when I haven't even spoken to either of them this entire game, but he's Afro, he needs to set up his "You guys are wolves" team as soon as he can to stay in character. The fact that it's Manti (And Manti survived night 1, so he knows at least -some- people are already inclined to be suspicious of him) and it's me (Because I threaten his ability to influence lynches by pointing out his flawed logic, I guess it's just good luck for him that so far one and only one other person voted against him, to set up his imaginary wolves team.

Afro

[u84]

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Afro, although I completely agree with you on the fact that the chances of the wolves' pick for Night 1, I also have to agree with Devonin in saying that there is also a great chance that the wolves had very good reason to decide on freaky. It is very possible that Freaky slipped up being the Guardian to one of the wolves or that one of the wolves slipped up their role to him. We have no way to know whether the killing of Freaky had some justification to it or if it really was just a stupid choice.

However, if it was that Freaky slipped up and revealed being a Guardian, he is a smart player and would have realized this slip-up. There's no way he would just give up after that. So I'm hoping that if Freaky told someone, just in case he died, who it was he slipped up to, that they present that information so we can lynch that wolf. On the same note, it's very unlikely that Freaky wouldn't present his case against a wolf who slipped up to him before he died to ensure at least one wolf's death before he died.

So, unless we don't hear from someone with information on before Freaky's death, I'm going to assume that it was merely a stupid wolf choice.

TL;DR: The only logical reason Freaky would have been killed was if he was found to be a detriment to the wolf team and Freaky would have let someone else know if this were true before he died.

Too early to vote, yet, though..