TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

[freakysnots]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

I strongly recommend lynching the survivor today. If we can't do that, no lynch is magnitudes better than what is essentially a random lynch on Day 1. Remember that this game is role heavy, so we will have more information lynching on Day 2. This is why lynching the survivor is the best lynch, since he is guaranteed to not be human.

Thirds aren't priority right now.

e.g. Cult Leader can target the wolf, converting them or straight up dying. Killer can kill the Cult Leader / wolf.

There is too high of a risk of lynching a human right now due to the lack of information.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

Should probably apologize to Zenith before I make my next post since I'm definitely looking at a few people with third party potential.

[storn42]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

@storn this is from the wiki First, randomize the roles, then pick a random player to be the Hidden Lynchee, no matter what alignment.. since it said no matter what alignment, i'm assuming that it's any player except the lyncher can be the lynchee.

bye guys (:

Hidden Lynchee
Your role is Towny.
You have no abilities, your lynch is your power.
Win Condition:
You win when all scum are eliminated.
Role Modifiers:
None.
Hated: You have a permanent plus one vote to lynches, meaning you need one less vote for majority and you win ties.
Loved: You have a permanent minus one vote to lynches, meaning you need one more vote to reach majority and you lose ties.
(The Lynchee gets this PM as he doesn't know he's the Lynchee, he thinks he's a town.)

pm straight from the wiki. notice the last part.

as far as the lynchee knows, he's VT.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

I hope getting this big post out of my system will help me get back into the flow of the game. I've been feeling kinda out of it lately and I don't know why. It's in a general-ish order but there's definitely room for movement.

My vote will almost certainly end up on one of the top 4 on my list.

1. Freakysnots: I feel like he’s going a neat path by asking why Zenith would soft hated. But I really don’t like 380 and the general attitude he's been taking towards Zenith this game. I can get giving up and lynching Zenith if the phase ends in 20 minutes. I don’t if it ends in more than 24 hours. I feel like he's been oddly attached to Zenith this game. I know Zenith's been at the center of attention but has Freakysnots posted about anything else?

2. Zenith: Seems pretty clear Zenith was planning on claiming Survivor the whole time from #119. But the interesting thing to me is why he claimed hated. Claiming hated is something I feel like we’d be careful enough to take into account. How often are players accidentally insta’d? If Zenith was really worried about it he could probably just say something like “keep in mind that there could be hated players in this game, don’t insta” when someone got to like 4 votes or something. I’m a little suspect of his wanting to play as town since hard-claiming third party seems to run pretty contradictory to that. But even if Zenith is telling the truth about being the hated Survivor (which I’m pretty confident he is) I’m really confident I don’t want him around in any endgame scenario. Do you really think the wolves or third-parties will off him when he can be used for a potential insta? How confident are you that he’ll turn away a guaranteed victory at 5-way lylo in order to try to lynch wolves?

3. Charu: Still don’t like how drastically he picked up the shitposting once Funnygurl called him out on it. Other than that he's been lurking pretty hard throughout the day.

4. Lurker: I know he hasn’t been counterclaimed for hated VT yet, but I’m reading him as pretty anti-town. There’s no guarantee of any hated VT role at all. As a Jester, I’d probably have counterclaimed Zenith or some role at the very least and hoped it got me lynched. The odds of there being zero hated town are actually pretty high. It’s like 45% if you believe Zenith’s survivor claim or 47% if you don’t. And I’m not really buying his reaction to it all. I feel like if someone was soft-counterclaiming me I’d probably be a little bit more concerned with them. If I had to pick a role for him I’d go Jester but from what I’ve heard of him he’s a pretty ballsy player—counterclaiming Zenith wouldn’t be a terrible wolf play either. If done right it makes you pretty hard to lynch and if there’s a real hated VT you look like a fool when they counterclaim you.

AA: I know I argued against doing this earlier but I feel like there’s an outside chance of him being something like a survivor, SK, or CL based on his reactions to other people suspecting him. 675 seems like he’s encouraging other people to be suspicious of him and he also argued against me reading him as town. Seems to me like he’s trying to prevent himself from getting too universally townread. I’m still reading him as some role not interested in instas from his earlier post asking about them. Frustration with people picking on him seems real and justified but not particularly alignment-indicative. I also liked what I saw from the effortpost today.

Storn: I don’t really think he’s a Jester. In my experience Jesters tend to go out there and harass people and make themselves get lynched. It usually works pretty well in setups like these where there’s not much of a penalty to the humans for lynching the Jester. Not much either way to say his alignment because he hasn’t given us a whole lot to work with. He seems like a likely lynchee since a lot of people have been talking about him for what to me doesn’t seem like a whole lot other than him not being here. His reads list is pretty shallow.

Mashi: Null read. I’m still looking forward to him posting. His big post doesn’t really do a whole lot for me because I’m not really sure when he’s seriously calling people LOCK CLEAR and when he’s not. I’m not sure what the right term is (soft-claims? Breadcrumbs?) seer at the bottom of his suspicion list.

Popadop: He made a good point about Mashi’s suspicion list being pretty weak in terms of making solid judgments on people. Not a whole lot to lean one way or the other though.

Funnygurl: I agree with other people saying the soft seer claim seemed out of place, but I don’t think that’s alignment-indicative. I feel like if I were planning on soft-claiming a role I’d probably think about it for a while regardless of alignment. Getting a good vibe from her I guess.

DabackPack: People seem to think his posting habits are indications that he's town. He seems townish to me so he gets a town read.

J-rodd: Not reading him town because #21 could just be him being in a notably bad mood and realizing that he would’ve been in a better mood if he hadn’t been a wolf. 17 doesn’t seem like the type of thing J-Rodd would actually post as the CL because it would incriminate Mashi if he were a wolf and I don’t think J-Rodd would do that if he was the weak CL. I’m also reading his aggression towards lurker and Zenith as town. He seemed much less confrontational as a wolf.

Choof: Gone over this earlier but he’s playing similarly to how he played last game and apparently he has a distinctive town play. For him I’m going based on content rather than amount of posts. Apparently he’s normally more active than this as a town but I’m tone-reading his posts as really towny. He also seems like he’s been sufficiently busy with moving and laptop and stuff that his lack of posting isn’t alignment-indicative.

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

AragakiAyase, what made you feel like you couldn't put your explanation in that same post? It was only two lines, so it would have taken you no more than maybe a minute to post your explanation, so why did you instead only type your explanation if asked?

wow mashi it feels so formal when you use my full name

It was a reaction test. the jester read was one of if not the first serious read of the game and I wanted to see if people bought it/reacted strongly to it before giving out my reasoning. I also wanted to see if I was mindmelding with anyone on that point (like dbp).

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

lmfao, i wrote "a typical" i was on a phone and like well
atypical

my bad, throw that part of my reads out then

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

I'd like to point out that with this setup town could easily end up with very few players, as few as 4 with a 3 T roll. it made me realize that townreading a lot of people is much more likely to be incorrect with the massive potential for 3rd parties in this setup. I hope my reads become more focused as the day goes on because while we have 2 confirmed (pretty much) we still have almost no idea how many town-aligned players we actually have.

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

Hidden Lynchee
Your role is Towny.
You have no abilities, your lynch is your power.
Win Condition:
You win when all scum are eliminated.
Role Modifiers:
None.
Hated: You have a permanent plus one vote to lynches, meaning you need one less vote for majority and you win ties.
Loved: You have a permanent minus one vote to lynches, meaning you need one more vote to reach majority and you lose ties.
(The Lynchee gets this PM as he doesn't know he's the Lynchee, he thinks he's a town.)

pm straight from the wiki. notice the last part.

as far as the lynchee knows, he's VT.

pretty sure yoshl clarified that the lynchee can be anyone. if the lynchee is VT then he will receive this PM because he doesn't know his identity. If they are some other role/alignment they will receive their normal PM.

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

AA: I know I argued against doing this earlier but I feel like there’s an outside chance of him being something like a survivor, SK, or CL based on his reactions to other people suspecting him. 675 seems like he’s encouraging other people to be suspicious of him and he also argued against me reading him as town. Seems to me like he’s trying to prevent himself from getting too universally townread.

I'll just comment on your section on me because I have to go to work soon. 675 was not me encouraging other people to be suspicious, it was me being annoyed at my interactions with choof throughout the whole game and I didn't know what to do with it. I didn't want you to townread me (or read me at all) based off of my question about instas, there's plenty of other stuff in the game to read me off of and in my mind that topic gets close to angleshooting territory.

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

nawk, your read on jrodd seems to be all over the place. First you say you're not reading him town, then you say probably not the CL, but then you say that you're reading his aggression as town. What's your overall read on him right now/where is he in your lynch pool?

[j-rodd123]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

Catching up now but seeing that last post from nighthawk pings me pretty hard, this dude is way different than last game and his reads list lacks conviction

I also am pretty sure freaky is a wolf now

[j-rodd123]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

And yes I am aware night voted for freaky they don't have to be both on the same team I just think there's an around ~0 chance they're both town. I'd be down to lynch freaky first and one of the posts that sticks out from freaky as I reread is him setting a lynch order of wolf > 3rd party > 3rd party bla bla whatever he put. This is one of those things I always say as a wolf because it's just so easy to post and makes you appear villagery.

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you what I've done tonight

This is beast I still have yet to check out P1.3~

[j-rodd123]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

Wow just when I thougfht nights reads post was weird I see AA has reached a new low of autistic reads "Jrodd is probably not a wolf but let's lynch him, he could be third party but I'm not gonna give any evidence to support it but instead I'll quote one post that could potentially be fake enthusiasm and pocketing"

Good effort kid

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

I lol'd at nighthawks read about DBP

I still am leaning him town for the time being

could you guys please let me know if you have hit a dead end and just want to go with the safe lynch on me cause ye I'll just go ahead and self now