Nothing can never exist?

[alvask8er]

I have been thinking about this for a while. Im not in any classes that would pertain to this, but i don't think that it is possible for "nothing" to ever exist. True every bit of matter and anti-matter and all that good stuff could be gone, leaving literally nothing, but there would still be an existence...nothing. "Nothing" would be there, existing, right? It could go on forever, if somthing less than nothing could come about, but then whatever that may be would be there and in existence... I dont know it probably is silly to think of such and I can't really seem to explain myself...

[Privateer]

This is basically asking "what is at the end of the universe," a question that has plagued me for years. I think about it way too much.

[ultima301]

One theory is that the universe is a massive sphere that is constantly expanding. Since it is a huge sphere there is no end in theory, by going to the far left you will end up by the far right..but that's only in theory we won't know for sure for a longgg time.

[AlbinoLime]

has anybody here seen The Never Ending Story??? When they are first talking about the nothing and how it sucked up a lake, one of the guys said something like "did it leave a hole?", and the big rock guy said "No, a hole would be something, but this was just nothing." I think that nothing would be nothing, but I also don't think nothing could exist because there will always be something.......hopefully....

[JustJono]

What's nothing? If it was nothing, we wouldn't see it.

Think of nothing. I Bet you can't. Our brains can't process "nothing". It always has to be processing something (thought) etc.

[ZEROED]

I dying thinking, why is there something instead of nothing? Why are we here, why is there a universe?

[fusi0n]

why do we or existence itself have to have a purpose

[perfect_fat]

Nothing is zero. We, as humans, give a value to nothing, therefore for us to picture nothing is impossible. Same as infinte. We can not picture something that is never ending because we have no examples around us to base that nothing on.

I wonder if there are a team of supercomputers trying to calculate pi somewhere, and if they will ever find an end or a repeater.

[COBOL]

supposedly from what I've heard, they found the end of pi

[Afrobean]

COBOL, you truly are the forum asshat

[emccky]

the only thing that i question really right now in the universe is black holes. no one knows if any even exist, nor what they do. there is a theory right now that a black hole lies out on the edge of our galaxy, and is sucking neptune off course which could cause some problems in a couple hundred years.i think this is bullshit, simply i think the sun is not as strong as it was, and that the outer edge planets just arent getting the gravitational pull that they were. hm.. or not.. no one knows. as for the end of the universe, i believe there is no such thing. just think about it, how would it ever end? is there just some wall at the end sort of like the truman show? and then outside that wall is some insane other universe that we have absolutely no clue about? maybe thats where other life forms exist and somehow, someday we will reach all of them. ofcourse, maybe all of this is fake and there is nothing after pluto but space. but i highly doubt taht. Also, has anyone ever thought of how the universe was started? how god came to be, how it all started? why is there life, why is there land, why is there space at all? why is there anything? think about it, if nothing was anywhere and we didnt exist nor did anything. picture this, the entire universe just going away, all of our minds just leaving.

[perfect_fat]

What about the theory that God was a crazy guy crouching behind a bush with a candle yelling things, and moses happenned to walk by?

[Feuergeist]

What's nothing? If it was nothing, we wouldn't see it.

Think of nothing. I Bet you can't. Our brains can't process "nothing". It always has to be processing something (thought) etc.


Untrue. It is possible to stop your thinking process. Read these lines and stop at a random letter. You'll find its quite easy to think of nothing.

[UltimateSoul]

the only thing that i question really right now in the universe is black holes. no one knows if any even exist, nor what they do. there is a theory right now that a black hole lies out on the edge of our galaxy, and is sucking neptune off course which could cause some problems in a couple hundred years.i think this is bullshit, simply i think the sun is not as strong as it was, and that the outer edge planets just arent getting the gravitational pull that they were. hm.. or not.. no one knows. as for the end of the universe, i believe there is no such thing. just think about it, how would it ever end? is there just some wall at the end sort of like the truman show? and then outside that wall is some insane other universe that we have absolutely no clue about? maybe thats where other life forms exist and somehow, someday we will reach all of them. ofcourse, maybe all of this is fake and there is nothing after pluto but space. but i highly doubt taht. Also, has anyone ever thought of how the universe was started? how god came to be, how it all started? why is there life, why is there land, why is there space at all? why is there anything? think about it, if nothing was anywhere and we didnt exist nor did anything. picture this, the entire universe just going away, all of our minds just leaving.

I was almost positive that there was an equation that allowed black holes to exist.I never heard about one at the edge of the solar system although I've heard about one at the center of the universe.
Interestingly enough scientists are stil trying to figure out what "nothing" is,same goes for "thought" and "wieghtlessness."
I do agree with the universe itself never ending; if we are to believe the big bang theory, (which I do) then it only seems logical to me that the universe will be expanding for an infinite amount of years.I don't think any "big crunch" will happen.

[Jello]

black holes exist.. they found numerous ammounts of them , the way you find them is a lens like effect from the light of stars... the gravity of black holes is so immense that it can bend light. so all you need to do is find them... and at the center of every galaxie is a super massive blackhole , which keeps all the stars and gas together. that is just the giest of it...the theory is really extensive

[alainbryden]

I dying thinking, why is there something instead of nothing? Why are we here, why is there a universe?

Anyone else get the feeling zeroed left because he's going through a suicide phase?

[perfect_fat]

That line fits the profile.

[JustJono]

Yes I guess stopping the thinking process is possible. Actually it's a necessary factor when reaching higher states of consciousness.

And I recently glanced and read through a couple chapters of a book called Creation. Scientific facts proving God's existence (well not necessarily God, but a supernatural intelligence.) Apparently, our universe, just like everything else IN the universe, runs off of entropy. This makes the big bang theory impossible. (Actually I'm not sure why, but I remember reading that somewhere; I don't even think it was in the Creation book - which is a very interesting read, by the way.)

[DracIV]

First, a correction of something said earlier: there is no major blackhole at the edge of our galaxy, the edge of our solar system, or in the center (where is the center?) of the universe, but there is one in the center of our galaxy.

Blackholes exist. When a blackhole is eating a star, they are quite easy to see. I have actually seen a blackhole when it was eating a star. However, not all galaxies necessarily have a blackhole in the center.

[alainbryden]

Every point in the universe is the center of the universe. Infinitely large sphere. Think about it. :P

[DracIV]

Not true. Only the true center of a sphere is an equal distance from all the farthest points. Anywhere else only reaches some of them, and few if any are an equal distance.

[alainbryden]

'tis true, the functioning adgective compound being :Infinitely large:

[DracIV]

If you insist, then there is no center of the universe in an infinitely large sphere. There, no center to worry about anymore.

[JustJono]

Almost looks as if our solar system is the center of the universe.

[Omeganitros]

Psh. I bet it isnt. if it is, then I'll be damned, we're special!

[IronMonk]

ok, Once again I must explain things, to understand nothing you have to change how you think, it is a difficult excersize but it is possible. first when most people, (myself included till i started taking philosophy) think of the words "empty" "nothing" the idea of a container that didnt have anything in it comes to mind. now as the universe is concerned, if you are a big-bangist, the edge of the universe their is absolutly nothing, no container, no thing to put in it even. all that their is is behind you, thus when you go past the edge of the universe, you push the universe out a little bit farther. so stop worrying about the edge of the universe.


center of the universe.

simple answer = YOU!

long answer = according to einstine, everything is realitive to your frame of referance, thus if you are travleing very quickly, it is not you that moves, its the universe around you moving. so if you are watching a train moving 100 km/h north, and you see a guy walking at 5km/h south. that guy is moving at 95km/h north, if he looks at you, to him you are movign 95 km/h south.

[ramboman]

black holes exist.. they found numerous ammounts of them , the way you find them is a lens like effect from the light of stars... the gravity of black holes is so immense that it can bend light. so all you need to do is find them... and at the center of every galaxie is a super massive blackhole , which keeps all the stars and gas together. that is just the giest of it...the theory is really extensive

Watching your Discovery Channel too, eh Jello? :wink:

[IronMonk]

i used to, but as a wee child my vocabulary became so great most of my friends rarely understood what i was talking about. so i stopped.

[pantsmaster]

all these things are unexplined and can't be explained...one such thing is where do we end up when we die? do we just rot in the ground, or go to heaven? or is thier an anti-existance in which we take no form and have anti-conciousness? As for the universe being created, how could it have a begining? if there was "nothing" then there must have been something to have "everything" happen...another thing is what is beyond "nothing"? Another subject i think about sometimes is, in my opinion, that there can't be time travel at any point in the future. If something happens, it can't be changed.

[peregrine]

I've thought a long time what it would be like to not exist, to reach what the Bhuddists call Nirvana. It's an incredibly hard concept to grasp, you tend to liken it to being asleep, but don't you define your sleep by the time you went to sleep and the time you wake up? How can you define a sleep that you never wake up from? It's one of those brain-hurting concepts.

On a side note: it's been proven that universe could either be ever expanding or expanding to a point then shrinking becuase of gravity pulling it back in. It all depends on the exact speed at which the universe is expanding. And here's an odd thought... wouldn't it be weird if one side of the universe was unbalanced and shrunk whereas the other side kept expanding? That would lead to a very screwy universe. I can picture this sphere just being sucked in and squashed into a line.

ahh... unanswered questions about nothingness and the universe... fun stuff we can only speculate on.

[jewpinthethird]

UGH. MY BRAIN. I keep thing about that hypothesis about the universe expanding to a point at which there is no more matter to expand and the universe used fades away. HOW CAN IT BE?!

[TheChuck0]

My theory is that the universe is not an infinite sphere, but actualy a huge scattered plane. Wherein there is no rhyme or reason to it, and the reason galaxies move is because they are either being pulled or pushed by other bodies. Black holes, other galaxies etc. My theory on nothing however would be like comparing it to purgatory. Nothing is absense of everything. colour, feeling, sound, light the whole works, but that's as good as I can explain it. There's probaly thousands of trained professionals who work on Einstein princples to find how alot of the stuff in the universe works.

[IronMonk]

yeah, then again, you could just become an immaterialist and sum it up as, its there because I am.

[alvask8er]

Well, it seems that there is a new debate about black holes existing. From what i learned from one of my physics teachers, black holes are impossible, and dangnabbit i cant remember why. But the existence of worm holes is true, and they are similar to black holes. As for other topics addressed in this one, the universe is so very immense.(sp?) Our entire solar system, from sun to the new planet they found beyond pluto, is at the tip of a spiral galaxy. This spiral galaxy has thousands of solar systems like ours and bigger in it. This galaxy is one of another huge number, which makes up the universe. Now for one to say that some where out there life does not exist, i think they are foolish. And either way, how do we know we aren't just inside the Matrix? :Phttp://www.flashflashrevolution.com/ffrsiggy.php?user=alvask8er

[JustJono]

I thought it was the other way around -- blackholes possible -- worm holes not. I thought 'they' reversed the blackhole equation and came up with wormholes?

[Nightstar]

okay, lemme clear some things up. Our solar system is in the arm of a galaxy with 200 billion stars. that is the real number. it is part of a supercluster of billions of galaxies.

black holes are very real. there is a supermassive black hole at the middle of EVERY galaxy. those black holes allow galaxies to form. their is a normal black hole(ex-supernova) about 5000 light years away from here. astronomers can watch them eat matter from stars and such. i have watched one feed of a star before. Their is even a theory that our universe is INSIDE a huge blackhole.

as for wormholes, we have no FACTS on them, so anything is just speculation, or theory.

just thought i would clear some of that up.

[peregrine]

with 200 billion stars. that is the real number.

Real number huh? So you've counted? -- just messin with ya, be careful when throwing around "facts."

And I'll back Nightstar up on seeing a black hole, I've seen pictures of solar mass being ripped off a star and into a black hole... quite pretty actually.

[themanwithsauce]

if black holes are true then they aren't nothing, they suck in material giving them existence. Sure their gravity crushes any matter to the point where there is no space between molecules but they have some existence. We as humans should stop focusing on whether there can be nothing and try and improve the something we know that exists. Nothingness is a very scary thought that i dont personally want to think about. There is nothing no thought, no color (this includes black and white), no matter, no religion. You can't imagine a worse fate than nothingness.

[Chrissi]

You can't imagine a worse fate than nothingness.

It's not like it's torture... you wouldn't even know there was nothing, because there's nothing.

[makaveli121212]

nothing can never exist?


prove it

[DracIV]

Theman, black holes are most definately something. Also, we have counted the # of stars in our galaxy, that's what astronomers do (watch the stars).

Nothingness isn't a torture. If you ask me, it would be quite the opposite. No religion, no war, no pain, no death, just peace. Sounds kinda nice. I think fear of nothingness may be a phobia (literally).

[themanwithsauce]

actually, u people are right that nothingness isn't torture but then Drac u said that nothingness would be good. Well if it is nothingness and nothing is there then no one can be there to experience nothingness because the person being there would be something.

[alainbryden]

^ It takes simplicity like that to truely understand the nothingness of nothingness