The 'Revolution' Controller [Archive] - FlashFlashRevolution, Inc.

GuidoHunter

September 16th, 2005, 02:33 AM

Innovative: Yes.

Practical: No.

Nintendo is further alienating the fighting game genre from its systems. There is NO way one could play a game like MvC2 on this. Many games don't need the ability to just move the mouse to make your character do something. Sometimes moves need to be precise, sometimes you're just going to be jerking the controller around and not want anything to change.

Of course, there are some games (such as RPGs, Brainmaster) that can be played with any controller.

And others that will only be greatly enhanced by this new technology.

But to just give the shaft to everything else saddens me. It's only because Nintendo has such AMAZING first and second party support that they're still alive. They had almost zero third party support for the Gamecube, but I think they'll have even less for the Revolution.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Omeganitros

September 16th, 2005, 02:35 AM

HAH!

This reminds of when I wanted to play Sonic Adventure 2 using a Guncon controller.

suicidalmuskrat

September 16th, 2005, 03:12 AM

How many buttons did you need for super smash brothers? it's been way too long since i've played. But I have no doubt that Nintendo will find a great control setup for one of it's flagship titles. I mean, personally i won't mind one bit having to jerk the controller up to jump...Granted, there will be some control problems in some genres...but isn't that why most hardcore gamers prefer playing FPS's on a PC rather than console? And isn't Halo still one of the most popular franchises today?

EDIT: Oh, and if they can't find a suitable control scheme, let's no forget that there are GC controller ports on the console. So maybe just be happy with a next-gen, online out of the box for free smash brothers, eh?

-Fallen-

September 16th, 2005, 05:39 AM

Revolution controller is a piece of ****, wow.

Chromer

September 16th, 2005, 06:09 AM

Actually, I was amazed at the concept, but like it was said before, it use for anything other than Hack and Slash, FPS, and maybe a platformer, seems pretty improbable.

Kilgamayan

September 16th, 2005, 08:25 AM

The Revolution has four ports for GCN controllers.

SSB3 ahoy!

Squeek

September 16th, 2005, 09:19 AM

The Revolution has four ports for GCN controllers.

SSB3 ahoy!

If this is true, then we're all set here.

In any event, this is the coolest thing I have seen in such a long time. I can see where I wouldn't be able to play certain games with it, but it's no problem. If it does have Gamecube ports, then I get to use my favorite controller design for this.

~Squeek

Pumble

September 16th, 2005, 10:51 AM

Wow, there's already a thread.

This is brilliant. So what if Nintendo's not going the "conventional" way that the PS3 and X360 are? This little thing looks like it could open the door to whole new genres of gaming. Third party developers might be wary at first, since it's a completely new, untested feel, but if Nintendo plays their cards right, companies will be begging to make games for the Revo.

Seriously, this has restored my hope in Nintendo after the sub-par GCN and their massacre of the handheld system (DS), and has made me reconsider getting an Xbox 360 (Of course, i'm not buying anything until i see some games). The controller unveiling couldn't have come at a better time.

suicidalmuskrat

September 16th, 2005, 11:19 AM

Not entirely sure if GC controllers will be used for regular games, but the euro head of Nintendo said they're also planning to release an add-on which will more closely resemble a normal controller, which will help when playing some 3rd party games. The add-on will still be able to take advantage of the depth perception, and tilt perception features.

lightdarkness

September 16th, 2005, 11:54 AM

Revolution controller is a piece of (#$%, wow.

suicidalmuskrat

September 16th, 2005, 01:09 PM

lol. Content free post count +1...reasons please? Something about being able to control a camera/gun in 3d space for FPS's a little too scary for everyone?

Musical_Master

September 16th, 2005, 02:56 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Myke256/revcon2.jpg

Brainmaster07

September 16th, 2005, 05:41 PM

Ironically, the guy with the remote is winning :<.

tnyhwk900

September 16th, 2005, 05:57 PM

What the ****

I wasn't going to get a Revolution anyway, but wow. Nintendo will be dead in a couple of years for sure, at this rate.

Tasuke

September 16th, 2005, 06:52 PM

This is the coolest thing i have seen regarding the next-gen consoles.
All the hardware crap I don't care about. I think this is really cool
there's A, B, Z1, Z2, a, and b buttons so playing older games shouldn't
be a problem. The controller reacts to movement, so that helps even more.
I like the layout of the buttons, so look nice to me. I don't really understand
how you're supposed to press all the buttons, but it'll just take a little getting used to

evilbutterfly

September 16th, 2005, 07:02 PM

If I had ever considered getting another Nintendo console ever (and I didn't, really), this just blew their chances of me buying one. It may be good for some things, and it may be cool and all when I'm playing on a Rev in Best Buy or at a friend's house, but I am not buying that. Seriously......wtf!?

Kilgamayan

September 16th, 2005, 07:03 PM

stupidity

more stupidity

even more stupidity

Hey guys way to read my post!

Jesus Christ, don't be so closeminded.

Saturos

September 16th, 2005, 07:04 PM

This is pretty much copied straight from a post I made and other forum concerning this:

For those that don't understand it, the pad you hold in your right is based on a motion sensor, meaning you point to where you want on the screen to do stuff. Example: In an FPS, you would use the left pad for strafing/moving and possibly firing (it has 2 buttons in the back) and the right, motion sensor based pad for aiming, like you would a mouse. You literally point to the guy you're going to shoot and fire away.

It can also be held long-ways, so the d-pad and B/C buttons are available easier. This will be used most likely in racing games, with the B/C buttons to brake/accel, the d-pad for changing options or other **** like that, and the motion sensor for steering. This would also work with the fighting games you are all oh-so concerned about, incorporating the motion sensor into combos.

The bottom port in the right pad is what will be used to make other controller's backwards compatable (since last I heard, the Revolution has no controller ports), and will also be used for other addon's in the future that they're still developing.

It sounded weird at first to me, too, but when I started understanding the possibilities with this thing, I almost wet myself.

Kilgamayan

September 16th, 2005, 07:07 PM

evilbutterfly

September 16th, 2005, 07:18 PM

I don't have a GameCube. I'm not going to go buy GameCube controllers. If I was gonna waste money on that, I would just spend the extra money and get a PS3.

Oh wait that's what I'm gonna do anyway. d=

Saturos

September 16th, 2005, 07:21 PM

The bottom port in the right pad is what will be used to make other controller's backwards compatable (since last I heard, the Revolution has no controller ports)

http://www.g4tv.com/features/52589/The_Revolution_Revealed.html

Is this all too much or just too odd to really believe? Purists shouldn’t worry too much, as the Revolution features four GameCube controller ports in the top for more, shall we say, standard third-party games that dare not operate outside the functionality of a normal controller.

Like I said, I copied it from another post of mine. I hadn't finished reading the article before making the post and was too lazy to fix it.

Anyways, I'm glad Nintendo is doing something with their system other than enhancing the graphics to just remake classic games of old.

Tasuke

September 16th, 2005, 07:27 PM

The only genre that i think could possibly be hurt from the new controller is
maybe fighting games. But, Nintendo was never really big on fighting games
in the first place. But FPS would be definately the best for the controller.
I still tink it's the most awesome controller I've ever seen.

Kilgamayan

September 16th, 2005, 07:28 PM

I don't have a GameCube. I'm not going to go buy GameCube controllers. If I was gonna waste money on that, I would just spend the extra money and get a PS3.

Your lack of GCN controllers is no reason to dislike the Revolution's controller. Don't discredit Nintendo's decision based on your own choices.

And Lord only knows why you'd want a PS3. Surely you already have the individual components of a home entertainment center?

GuidoHunter

September 16th, 2005, 07:38 PM

The Revolution's controller is going to work MAGICALLY for all of its games. This won't make the console suck; it won't make the games suck.

What it will do is further remove fighting games from Nintendo's repertoire. I'm a huge fighting game person, so that's why I was mad.

Otherwise, there's no reason to complain. Nintendo makes things work and this will be no exception. After getting over my original ire, I'm all for this new controller.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Pumble

September 16th, 2005, 07:42 PM

Honestly people, just because it's different dosen't mean it sucks. This controller has huge potential to do great stuff. What Nintendo and third party developers (probably mostly Nintendo at first) decide to do with that potential is up to them.

FishFishRevolution

September 16th, 2005, 08:15 PM

I love the people that say Nintendo will be dead in a few years.

This really is a step into the future. I guarantee Sony and Microsoft will be adopting add-ons similar to this controler in order to stay competitive in the future.

Saturos

September 16th, 2005, 09:04 PM

Nintendo patented it.

evilbutterfly

September 17th, 2005, 12:37 AM

Your lack of GCN controllers is no reason to dislike the Revolution's controller. Don't discredit Nintendo's decision based on your own choices.

I said I disliked the controller? I discreditted it? What? Lemme see....

If I had ever considered getting another Nintendo console ever (and I didn't, really), this just blew their chances of me buying one. It may be good for some things, and it may be cool and all when I'm playing on a Rev in Best Buy or at a friend's house, but I am not buying that. Seriously......wtf!?

I don't have a GameCube. I'm not going to go buy GameCube controllers. If I was gonna waste money on that, I would just spend the extra money and get a PS3.

Oh wait that's what I'm gonna do anyway. d=

I said I wasn't gonna buy one because the controller was wtf, and that the ability to spend extra money and get normal controllers was not enough to sway me otherwise, and that I would rather get a PS3. Yeah, it'll be cool. I will want to play on it and I will have fun when I do, most likely. The thing is, they're making this for the non-gamer folk who move their controller when they hit the button to turn their car, and the ones who kinda made hopping motions with their old NES controller when trying to get Mario over things. I don't do that. While watching me race my RA, my roommate and his gf were observing that I was quite motionless and focused. I don't want to have to move all around to play my games. Yeah, it'll be cool for a little while, just like the EyeToy was cool for a little while.

I never said I didn't like the controller or the idea or Nintendo because of it. I even said it was cool and that I would play it. It's just not my style. I am not part of Nintendo's intended market. Sorry for not being you. Ya know, cuz it's not cool to have opinions and separate wants and desires from other people. Geez, who does that anymore!?

suicidalmuskrat

September 17th, 2005, 01:28 PM

OK guys. First of all, the GCN controller will probably not be used for any Revolution games. Seond, perhaps you still don't get it. This controller can be anything. An additional addon is going to be a controller shell. It's going to look like a standard controller. It's going to have your two analog sticks, and all your buttons, but since the freehand 'remote' will slide inside the controller shell, you will still get all the motion/tilt sensing that makes it so unique.

IGN made a rough mockup, but it definitely illustrates the point:
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651559/understanding-the-revolution-controller-20050916041026412-000.jpg

So all of you worried about it's functionality with ANY genre, have no fear. An easy way to think of it is that with the shell you'll basically be getting a fully functioning controller, with a mouse. So what can be find to bitch about that? Well let's hear it EB, tny, fallen, LD...I'm interested.

EDIT: It's not about seperate desires and wants, at least not to me...It's about you not getting it yet. And Nintendo's intended market is everyone, obviously.

P.S.: EB, you should replace the lightgun in your sig with the new controller.

Pumble

September 17th, 2005, 01:47 PM

The one problem i have with this is that Nintendo is just making more things to buy for some of their games to work. Surely they figured out from FFCC and Four Swords that people don't give a **** about slightly (and i emphasize slightly)better gameplay when it costs so much money.

I hope Nintendo will figure out a way to make all games friendly with the new controller without all this extra garbage. I'd really like to see this idea take off.

esupin

September 17th, 2005, 01:54 PM

That controller shell makes lots of sense.
The d-pad looks just as small as the cube's, though.

suicidalmuskrat

September 17th, 2005, 01:55 PM

Yeah, because Nintendo is trying to gouge us. What with their console expected around 200-250, their games still expected around 50, and their FREE online play. Price savvy consumers should definitely buy a PS3.

But I do agree, I hope Nintendo releases a few first party attatchments, and then if 3rd party companies want to ship a fishing rod or a steering wheel or whatever else in with their game that's fine, I just hope a few attatchments cover a wide range of games.

EDIT: @ esupin--Yeah, it looks like the GC's...probably because it is. This is just a mock up by IGN from information heard from Nintendo

evilbutterfly

September 17th, 2005, 09:37 PM

If the controller that came with the system looked like the one that you posted, I might consider getting it, except that I hate that controller too and hate GameCubes. All the new consoles have such weird ass controllers, and it's really annoying me. Nintendo's is.....yeah, PS3 has a ****ing boomerang and X-Box....hell I don't even know. But really, the price for all the stupid peripherals for the controller could actually make it cost more than a PS3.

But again, it's not any use arguing. The people who were gonna buy a PS3 before any info was out are still going to buy PS3s, the people who were set on getting an X-Box 2 will be getting the 360, and all the people who were waiting for Nintendo to introduce their next "genius controller design" are gonna get the Nintendo. You're not going to convince me nor anybody else that this controller isn't a bad idea. One thing you fail to realize is that I haven't liked a Nintendo controller past the SNES. Ever since N64, Nintendo has just gotten weirder and weirder designs. This takes the cake, though. I would rather just have a normal controller, thank you very much, because the games I would play that would need such a controller I would be playing on the computer anyway, not a console. I get the console for games that I like playing with controllers instead of mouse/keyboard, so I'm not going to get a console that does a better job than that combination but I have to buy extra parts to play a game that's good for controllers.

kickassbuddy

September 17th, 2005, 11:17 PM

I got the perfect YTMND for this. http://nintyrevcontroller.ytmnd.com/

PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR

September 18th, 2005, 02:50 AM

The remote idea is very innovative, but i'm not liking it. Personally, I just can't picture myself playing with that.

The controller, though a mockup, looks much better than the remote thingy. Either way, I'm getting the 360.

suicidalmuskrat

September 18th, 2005, 03:03 AM

See, that's the thing. Why are people so ignorant? People are actually capable of acknowleding the brilliance behind this, yet they won't buy the console. I just don't get it. This controller is capable of any setup, it's capable of being better than a keyboard and mouse, yet it doesn't make any sense....I think this defines ignorance. I just can't find any other explanation.

mead1

September 18th, 2005, 11:29 AM

Muskrat, other people have opinion too. Even moreso than eb's "ignorance", your inability to accept input from other people is the problem here. Not everyone is going to agree with you on everything. And even fewer people will agree with you when you try to force your opinion on them like a sex offender on a six year-old. You will be much happier when you take a few deep breaths, and decide to leave it be because it isn't worth your time to fight over something as trivial as peoples views on a controller they haven't used yet and can only judge by pictures and pre-emptive features lists.

nforcer06164

September 18th, 2005, 10:03 PM

Well, I have to respectfully disagree with you, mead. I thought that Nintendo made a truly "revolutionary mistake," if you'll excuse the pun, with this controller, like they did with connectivity. However, this thread alone completely turned my thoughts around.

The fact of the matter is, Nintendo has now implicated in their newest systems features that the other systems cannot reproduce. Yet, Nintendo can do everything they can, and more. People here and everywhere else having skeptic idea about this controller are too close-minded to realize the genius behind Nintendo's decision; Sony and Microsoft have grounded themselves to conventional gaming, whereas Nintendo is going above and beyond, and whether their innovations fail to catch on, they can still reproduce ANYTHING another console can.

Nintendo is not stupid; they know third-parties will develop a majority of their games for a conventional controller; heck, I wouldn't want to play the second-party (HAL is a 2nd party) SSB3 on that thing. That's why they have GameCube ports, an add-on option... heck, this thing is genius. Fighting games will work. Sports games will work. ANYTHING will work. Of course Nintendo knew that if they deviated too far that there'd be problems. You guys just didn't think as far as they did. I'm sure they have EVEN MORE up their sleeve that we don't know about yet. The Revolution will be able to accomplish more than any other console simply because of this controller.

Third parties can make any game for all systems, but they can do MORE with the Revolution. It's a step above. Those of you who fail to realize this need to stop and rethink it. Reread this post if you have to. In fact, I just convinced myself through writing this post =P

Chromer

September 18th, 2005, 10:33 PM

I would have to disagree with you on that nForcer. If youthink about it, let's give SSB 3 as an example. You have the regular Rev controller in your hand and you want to moe around. No problem since you just move your hand. Oh no! I want to jump up and Smash attack below me! Not only would you have to forcefully swing the controller downwards and press B, take account that you might hit another button in a frenzy trying to hit a button. See? It would cause a lot of strain on your wrist to move this thing.

And don't let me even get into sports because I definitley know a Rev controller would be hell. This thing reminds me of the Power Glove now, for some reason. =/.

nforcer06164

September 18th, 2005, 10:37 PM

Chromer, I was referencing to the add-on (not directly) in my whole post. I have no doubts that SSB3 will use it, and there may even be an option to use the gyro sensor or not for certain functions. That is what I meant when I said it could do anything another console could do and more... the add-on brings the whole thing home.

suicidalmuskrat

September 18th, 2005, 10:50 PM

Chromer, you would use the shell pictured for a game like SSB3, or so nForcer is assuming. Mead, I'm not forcing my opinion. EB is being ignorant. Nintendo could simply add an attachment which is exactly the same as the Xbox controller. That's the point I'm trying to get across. And we're not judging just from preemptive photos, we're judging because Nintendo or a publisher can do whatever they want in that attachment. So to say that you don't like the design is just ignorance. Perhaps a year after release and there are no good add ons and you can't play fighting games, then I'll listen. Until then, we just have to assume that since the perfect set up is possible, that they will use it. It'd be like me saying that you can't do sports games on the PS3 if you only use one hand and one button. Yeah, it would be very hard to do a good sports game, but why wouldn't you take advantage of what you have before you?

Omeganitros

September 18th, 2005, 10:51 PM

Dude...

I can imagine it now.

Being able to masterfully control Ness' PK Thunder with ease.

Squeek

September 18th, 2005, 11:20 PM

Being able to masterfully control Ness' PK Thunder with ease.

QFE&T x1000

HOLY CRAP WIN

In other news.

The thing that excites me most with this is the reminder of just how much fun I have with games that involve so much more than just sitting there hitting buttons. First game I did this with using hands and not feet (we all had that NES game where you run in place, right?) was Duck Hunt. Ownage fun. Several other NES games used this, and times were good. Then people strayed from that.

Until Eye Toy came out. And the fun times were once again had by all. But Eye Toy was limited and nobody wanted to make games for it. So, that died.

Until one day I found Dance Maniax. Another Bemani game. Uses motion sensors to detect hand movement. Hard, fun, and excellent.

What I'm really hoping is that the sword-fight in the video wasn't an exaggeration. I really wanna slash in different ways and even dodge by backing up. That. Would. Own.

~Squeek

PS - Knowing my luck with swinging things, this controller is going to fly out of my hand and hit a nearby wall. Knowing the durability of Nintendo products, it should be fine. Here's hoping.

evilbutterfly

September 18th, 2005, 11:26 PM

Wait wait wait wait wait!
we just have to assume that since the perfect set up is possible, that they will use it

So we HAVE to assume best case scenario? Well in that case, I'm assuming that everybody will design just for the PS3 because it will have the most raw power. Why is this a big deal? Graphics? Hell no, **** graphics. I want crazy huge maps and complex AI and tons of **** going on on the screen at the same time, making every game I play full of huge hectic fights that just AREN'T PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE ON ANY OTHER SYSTEM. Will this actually happen? May be. Will any other console be able to do it? No. So since we're doing best case scenarios for all the consoles, I would have to pick between "HOLY **** THERE ARE 5000 PEOPLE ON THE SCREEN AND I HAVE A SWORD AND 10 RESPONSIVE AI TEAMMATES UNDER MY COMMAND AND I AM ON AN ELEPHANT BECAUSE DYNASTY WARRIORS HAS TO HAVE ELEPHANTS AND I WANT TO KILL EVERYTHING IN BEAUTIFUL DETAIL" and "HOLY CRAP MY CONTROLLER LOOKS LIKE A REMOTE AND THE POLYGON COUNT IS LOWER BUT I CAN SHOOT WHEREVER I WANT WHILE DODGING AROUND WITH THIS STICK THING IN MY OTHER HAND AND IT'S LIKE 3D DUCK HUNT OMFGWTFBBQLOL I LOVE THIS!" I would have to go with the PS3.

I just find it hilarious that you call me ignorant when I just don't have the same interest as you do, and when you're ignorant of 1) How stupid it is to assume best case scenarios and 2) What I actually want in the console. I play consoles for console games. That remote thing (to me, at least) seems especially good at doing things that I love using my trackball for. The demos they picked to show this reflect this. A flight sim and a first person shooter? Those are games I would play on my computer, with a trackball, and I wouldn't go buy a console just so I can have a better control. And don't even be like "well you can get add ons so it's like a normal controller!!" What is the sense in that? That's like if you have 2 cars and one is a ton faster, and you're all about getting the slow one just because it has the space to put a bigger, better engine. You might as well just get the one that has what you want in the first place.

And yes, I realize that this is a big fat innovation. The generation of consoles after this will all undoubtedly have motion sensors so that people can tilt and swing their controllers however they want to get the desired effect. Microsoft and Sony aren't stupid either. All 3 companies are trying vastly different things. Sony lost the power battle last time, so that's their main focus with the PS3. Microsoft is all about that damn online community thing they have going on. Nintendo is all about staying fresh because without that they'd be so far behind that they wouldn't exist anymore in the console world. Lots of developers will go to Sony because of the sheer power that the PS3 has, and because of the things that power will make possible. Lots of developers will go to Nintendo because of this new controller dealy, because it'll be the only way they can make their weird yet innovative game. By the time it's time to make new consoles, the big 3 will be looking at the results. Saying Nintendo is so much smarter than Sony and Microsoft is just dumb. Sony and Microsoft just let Nintendo do all the research and let them be experimental, because people let Nintendo **** around and do whatever. If they do something good, they get copied. Like rumble packs. N64 had it first, then Sony copied it. The Rev has all this motion sensing stuff first, but trust me, they will just get copied and nobody will even care about it anymore because it will be so common.

I swear, being called ignorant pisses me off. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.

Sol_Solis

September 18th, 2005, 11:39 PM

And yes, I realize that this is a big fat innovation. The generation of consoles after this will all undoubtedly have motion sensors so that people can tilt and swing their controllers however they want to get the desired effect. Microsoft and Sony aren't stupid either. All 3 companies are trying vastly different things. Sony lost the power battle last time, so that's their main focus with the PS3. Microsoft is all about that damn online community thing they have going on. Nintendo is all about staying fresh because without that they'd be so far behind that they wouldn't exist anymore in the console world. Lots of developers will go to Sony because of the sheer power that the PS3 has, and because of the things that power will make possible. Lots of developers will go to Nintendo because of this new controller dealy, because it'll be the only way they can make their weird yet innovative game. By the time it's time to make new consoles, the big 3 will be looking at the results. Saying Nintendo is so much smarter than Sony and Microsoft is just dumb. Sony and Microsoft just let Nintendo do all the research and let them be experimental, because people let Nintendo $*%# around and do whatever. If they do something good, they get copied. Like rumble packs. N64 had it first, then Sony copied it. The Rev has all this motion sensing stuff first, but trust me, they will just get copied and nobody will even care about it anymore because it will be so common.

tru dat.
That's kind of mean though :\

Squeek

September 19th, 2005, 01:08 AM

By the way, just to add fuel to the fire.

http://i11.ebayimg.com/02/i/00/ed/d9/11_1.JPG

Nintendo had a device that could detect motion in a controller without using an analog stick back in the days of N64. You would tilt your controller to make it turn the way you wanted it.

Since you say everybody will have this innovative technology, I say it's not that new.

~Squeek

Kilgamayan

September 19th, 2005, 01:26 AM

(we all had that NES game where you run in place, right?)

The track meet game? I had that, but found Short Order to be loads more fun.

PowerPad ftw!

-Fallen-

September 19th, 2005, 01:47 AM

OK guys. First of all, the GCN controller will probably not be used for any Revolution games. Seond, perhaps you still don't get it. This controller can be anything. An additional addon is going to be a controller shell. It's going to look like a standard controller. It's going to have your two analog sticks, and all your buttons, but since the freehand 'remote' will slide inside the controller shell, you will still get all the motion/tilt sensing that makes it so unique.

IGN made a rough mockup, but it definitely illustrates the point:
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651559/understanding-the-revolution-controller-20050916041026412-000.jpg

So all of you worried about it's functionality with ANY genre, have no fear. An easy way to think of it is that with the shell you'll basically be getting a fully functioning controller, with a mouse. So what can be find to (!@#! about that? Well let's hear it EB, tny, fallen, LD...I'm interested.

EDIT: It's not about seperate desires and wants, at least not to me...It's about you not getting it yet. And Nintendo's intended market is everyone, obviously.

P.S.: EB, you should replace the lightgun in your sig with the new controller.

The best controller's in my opinion are PS1/PS2 because they aren't GIGANTIC like the N64 one's and the Dreamcast one's and now the Revolution's. I hate controllers that are that big, even if you get a neat little gagdet controller type thing to turn your Revolution on and off and ****, what a lame ass design.

suicidalmuskrat

September 19th, 2005, 01:50 AM

EB, we can continue this privately if you'd like. You've misinterpreted about 30% of what I've said. IM is SuicidalMuskrat. I had a nice long response wrote out, but decided I'd rather not continue the discussion here.

Chromer

September 19th, 2005, 05:44 AM

But think about it guys. That was only a rough mock-up. I have a feeling that even if they released so said shell, it definitely won't look like a cross between a GC controller and an X-Box controller. Plus Seanbaby hates it, and we all know Seanbaby is the Shiz. 8)

djshox

September 19th, 2005, 06:12 PM

I don't understand why anyone is interested in how it looks, if it feels comfortable and works great there's no problem.

Chromer

September 19th, 2005, 06:18 PM

Do you want to pay $299+ and find out that it doesnt feel the way you would like it too? Didn't think so.

djshox

September 19th, 2005, 06:27 PM

I've had no problems holding any previous controllers from Nintendo, so I don't see them going wrong with this at all.

esupin

September 19th, 2005, 06:28 PM

Nintendo had a device that could detect motion in a controller without using an analog stick back in the days of N64. You would tilt your controller to make it turn the way you wanted it.

Since you say everybody will have this innovative technology, I say it's not that new.

~Squeek

Like Pokemon Pinball, Kirby's Tilt'n'tumble, some GBA games, too. It might be less sophisticated than the Revolution controller, but pretty much the same concept.

Tasuke

September 19th, 2005, 07:23 PM

The best controller's in my opinion are PS1/PS2 because they aren't GIGANTIC like the N64 one's and the Dreamcast one's and now the Revolution's. I hate controllers that are that big, even if you get a neat little gagdet controller type thing to turn your Revolution on and off and (#$%, what a lame ass design.

That isn't the revolution controller. That little remote thing in the center is.
The big thing is just a shell that can be used to make it feel more normal.

Chromer

September 19th, 2005, 07:27 PM

Make the controller more user friendly and we won't have to use a shell, Nintendo....

Squeek

September 19th, 2005, 08:24 PM

YOU WON'T HAVE TO USE THE SHELL.

WATCH THE VIDEO. THERE IS NONE.

~Squeek

suicidalmuskrat

September 19th, 2005, 08:42 PM

Sony and MS, make the controller more innovative and we won't have to use the shell! User friendly? You think that any current gen controllers are user friendly??? You're kidding yourself chromer...Hand your controller to any non-gamer and tell them to play Halo...it won't be pretty. Oh, and I imagine the shell would be for 3rd party developers who are too lazy to take advantage of what they've been given.

Chromer

September 19th, 2005, 09:18 PM

You two both missed the point. I'm trying to say that if it is that simple to play with the Nintendo's controller, than make the controller look more egonomic and feel more easier to play with than a frickin TiVo remote and a trackball mouse in the other hand.

suicidalmuskrat

September 19th, 2005, 10:57 PM

make it look for ergonomic? How about they just make it ergonomic and not worry if it looks like a remote. They're trying to get a design which won't scare off non-gamers...I don't know too many people who don't know how to operate a remote...so I think they succeeded...and it makes sense for the wrist movements which may be necessary. But I'm with you, it'd better be comfortable...because God knows I'm going to be playing the hell outta that thing.

Matthew4444

September 23rd, 2005, 09:35 PM

The controller is actually quite comfortable, from what I've encountered with it. Here (http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/1452/revcutout0qb.jpg) is a paper mockup of the Revolution controller. Once made, it only takes a short amount of time to get used to. The only problem I have with it is that pointing straight forward can feel a bit akward. Maybe they'll allow you to offset the angle of the pointer so that you can hold the controller more comfortably.

Chromer

September 23rd, 2005, 10:36 PM

Wow, that should really be how the controller actually feels like.

/sarcasm

Shadow_knight62

October 6th, 2005, 10:05 PM

I saw this a while ago...i like the fact that its sorta like Virtual Boy...

The cool thing is that you could be having a sword fight using your remote as a sword!

this brings back memories of the INtelevision

Zarbon

October 18th, 2005, 01:05 PM

The controllers only good thing is when they release the skins to put on for the old games. by that i mean the have al of the old controlers you can attach to the controller of the revolution making it easier to use...but the revolution games will suck balls with that crappy controller.
Also they said that SSB3 is a definate game for the revolution. about the GCN ports....you're wrong. read above. If you saw the 2005 Tokyo Game Show, they said all of the above.. I'm not sre how SSB3 will be played but hopefully the GCN skins will work for it! :D

EDIT: that pic of the "shell" or skin as they called it looks pretty accurate to wht they will release. they showed it at the show and it looks kinda like that... they may change the look later.

PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR

October 18th, 2005, 06:33 PM

http://cube.ign.com/articles/653/653867p1.html

I don't know if anyone posted this yet. I skimmed through this thread but nothing caught my eye.
I think that this is really really cool. And by really really cool I mean, "DUDE, Itsa f**king Shotgun!" Plus it has the controlstick on the base of the barrel of the pistol, or whatever that is called, so it looks like it would be possible for shooters. But no first person shooters. Still really cool looking, even though it is just concept art.

And for people who don't want to link and read about it...
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/653/653867/controller-concepts-gun-games-20050926040529437.jpg
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/653/653867/controller-concepts-gun-games-20050926040502125.jpg
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/653/653867/controller-concepts-gun-games-20050926045105148.jpg
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/653/653867/controller-concepts-gun-games-20050926045917714.jpg