Censoring in the forum

[CMCAdvanced]

I'm sure that this is an old topic, and people are wondering why I'm bringing it up. I believe that there should be a way to access an uncensored version of the forum.
I also believe that people are exposed to much worse things, but for the people that honestly don't want to hear hear/see S***, then shouldn't there be a way to let certain people unfilter words? I'm sure many responsible, and mature people would agree with me, even if they don't necessarily share my beliefs.

[rydenHS]

Lol there should be an "Adult" section in the forums. NOT FOR PORN! But jokes, and like youu said.....no censoring

[justaguy]

you're an idiot

**** **** cock ****** ass faggot

[rydenHS]

you're an idiot

**** **** cock ****** ass fagot

Yea but you used all code to do that. :P

[justaguy]

uh but it gets around the censoring

[GuidoHunter]

Uh, no. There's no need to have a separate, uncensored section. Is all you want to do swear and tell dirty jokes? Classy, man. If it doesn't have a place in the forums already, it isn't worth having around. And if you want porn in the forums, just go to a0.com.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[lightdarkness]

Justaguy, those kinds of outbursts aren't allowed, especially in the critical thinking forum, you should know much better...

[esupin]

Things are censored because people in general are dumb, and cannot exercise the correct amount of self-restraint online (there are many psychological reasons why).
Think of it like laws; they are in place so people don't do stupid things.

[CMCAdvanced]

I don't want porn in the forums, and I never said I just wanted to swear and tell dirty jokes.
I just like to say certain words, and I like it better when people hear/see them.
It makes me feel better. I don't like random outbursts like that one up there.
I like making at least a 10th of a s*** of sence

[Kilgamayan]

Synth wants a family-friendly site given the age range of users who sign up to play the site. Therefore, he has swear filters and rules against NWS images.

a0.com has porn and no swear filters and other stuff like that because Arch frankly doesn't care. Hell, he does it himself. He has different goals in running his site than Synth does running his.

[rydenHS]

Uh, no. There's no need to have a separate, uncensored section. Is all you want to do swear and tell dirty jokes? Classy, man. If it doesn't have a place in the forums already, it isn't worth having around. And if you want porn in the forums, just go to a0.com.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

If you were smart and listened to me i said "NOT FOR PORN" so why would I want it? I all ready have enough on my K: drive. Anyway, I was just saying that because im not sure if you noticed but bemani style has a whole section for that.

[Cenright]

Kilga hit the nail on the head, and there is almost no more reason than that. This site has 13-18 year olds, and not everyone is exposed to that. We don't need to be the ones exposing them to it, and as Kilga said, that isn't the purpose of this site.

I have also found that 99% of the time, I can get a point across better WITHOUT it than i can with it. You people use it so much that it becomes the words/phrases: 'Oh', 'very', 'worse', 'messed up', 'in trouble', and even a comma. The english language has so many other words that it is sad that you people dont use them more. You all sound like idiots when it is the only verb, adverb, or adjective that you use. Your vocabulary needs an overhaul.

[Tsuteto]

Me, I use cursing once in awhile, and if someone really pisses me off, I normally curse more. However, like Cen said, they aren't needed. It is highly more pleasant to not say them rather than say them. I mean, heck, see? Point given, nothing needed.

No censorship of the forums is needed. Besides, that'd be like excluding people, and if people really want something, they'll just go search for the bloody thing.

[tnyhwk900]

I look at it like this: 13 year olds can handle swearing. If they can't, then they shouldn't be on the internet. If they can't handle swearing, there's no way they'll be able to handle porn popups and emails.

I understand not allowing NWS pictures, but censoring profanity from teenagers makes no sense. I'm sure most teenagers swear more than adults anyway.

[Cenright]

Tnyhwk, that is a big reason. Just because there is more swearing in this generation, doesn't mean you throw gasoline on the fire. Just because there IS more swearing, doesn't mean there SHOULD BE more swearing. In fact, that should be the reason why the filters should get more picky, so that we can cut down on the profanity epidemic, so that it isn't unbearable to a lot of this.

Besides, if profanity shows up more, more schools will ban FFR.

[tnyhwk900]

Tnyhwk, that is a big reason. Just because there is more swearing in this generation, doesn't mean you throw gasoline on the fire. Just because there IS more swearing, doesn't mean there SHOULD BE more swearing. In fact, that should be the reason why the filters should get more picky, so that we can cut down on the profanity epidemic, so that it isn't unbearable to a lot of this.
It doesn't matter. As an example, generations ago it was considered rude to not address your dad as "sir". Generations from now, kids will think it's weird that swearing was considered offensive. There's nothing we can do to stop this. It's just evolution.

[GuidoHunter]

If you were smart and listened to me i said "NOT FOR PORN" so why would I want it? I all ready have enough on my K: drive. Anyway, I was just saying that because im not sure if you noticed but bemani style has a whole section for that.

I wasn't addressing you with my post, ryden. Good one.

Anyway, tny, fewer people would be on FFR if we were so liberal as to do away with swear filters. Plenty of kids have parental controls on, and we don't need to be keeping people away from this site just because some people wanted to do something that was completely unnecessary. Just because most teenagers will swear doesn't at all mean that people won't mind it. You have to consider the parent of the teenager as much as the teenager himself when you want to keep something family-friendly.

And isn't swearing offensive by definition? There will always be people who don't like swearing, so, like Cen said, we don't need to be fueling the fire.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[ThEclipse]

I really don't get what the deal is with swear words are why they are considered so "bad" to some people.

They're just words, that are commonly used just for emphasis on something and people act as if it's something horrible.

[QreepyBORIS]

I say that either have none or all of the bases covered.

Until I petitioned for change, the "n-word" still appeared uncensored, quite often. Either censor all of the bad language, or none of it. Makes sense to me.

[Tank101]

My opinion is to censor anything that might be offensive.

[Cenright]

I really don't get what the deal is with swear words are why they are considered so "bad" to some people.

They're just words, that are commonly used just for emphasis on something and people act as if it's something horrible.

They aren't as offensive anymore BECAUSE people use them so much now. They were supposed to be offensive, but people abused them so much because it was 'cool' to be offensive. Now people are trying to find new ways to offend. Some of us just don't care to jump down the drain with the rest of society.

[QreepyBORIS]

Cenright's an old-timer. D:

[Cenright]

Maybe so, but even if you look at it from a statistical standpoint, you will get more members, and keep more members with the censoring.

[Moogy]

bitchez

[banditcom]

I say that either have none or all of the bases covered.

Until I petitioned for change, the "n-word" still appeared uncensored, quite often. Either censor all of the bad language, or none of it. Makes sense to me.

******. <-Nope, it's censored, *****. <-That one's not though.

I think the swear filter is kind of pointless. We can get around it. Plus this site is 13 and up. I agree with how Synth wants the site, but the filter is just annoying. It reinforces the negative uses of swearing because it's filtered.

My view on cursing is in the cursing topic, so I'll refrain from repeating myself.

[stretchypanda]

I would imagine that Synthlight, being a parent and all, is very much for offering a sort of protection from foul language for the younger generation.

If anything, the swear filter should force us to come up with more creative ways to express ourselves. I'd be lying if I said I didn't swear, but I'm also aware of how unintelligent using such language makes me sound. Not swearing just makes a person much more respectable or credible. On my rowing team, if a rower swears, her entire boat is supposed to do fifty pushups for each dirty word. If a coxswain swears, her boat must do one hundred pushups for each dirty word (this is because the coxswain has a microphone and can be heard much more easily by others outside of the boat). I wish this rule was enforced more, because the stroke-lady in my boats has a terribly foul mouth, and I only recently realized how embarrassed she can make me. When we stayed at a Methodist Boys Ranch for spring training, we constantly had to remind her to watch her mouth in the presence of our hosts, and this weekend at our regatta, I was sad that in front of all those famous crews, she could not think of anything better to say.

Anything else I could say about this has already been said. Forgive me for being traditional.

[banditcom]

You're not being traditional per se. It's just there are certain times and/or places where swearing is inappropiate, meaning you'll offend people, embarrass yourself, or embarrass the people around or associated with you (like your example).

I know I look stupid sometimes for swearing in table tennis. But I also make my friends laugh at it by doing it in silly ways, and I'm not serious/angry about it. I get frustrated and if I do end up get really frustrated, I kind of shut my mouth and keep quiet.

I might throw my paddle too. XD Yes, that does look stupid. At least I'm not like these one 'tards who were whipping the paddles from the front desk all over the place, smacking the table with them, and nearly hitting many people throughout the hour or so they were playing whenever they threw their paddle. It was rediculous.

So like that paddle example, swearing can vary a lot in degree and form.

[CMCAdvanced]

Heck is the pussy version of hell :)
Sorry, I meant to say something better, but I didn't
Isn't that how it always works out?
Anyway, I promise not to offend the 13-18 year olds on this site, so help me GOD.
And I'll try not to use God and Jesus so much in my posts as well, as I obviously don't believe in either of them in a religious way (so the most that will happen is I'll stop capitalizing "god")
I'm not in this game of life to piss people off, though it helps sometimes.

[CMCAdvanced]

I don't really understand why you would think of people not coming to this site as a bad thing, necessarily.
I mean, I'd rather have quality, over quantity. But it's not my forum. But then again, Synthlight wouldn't have as much fun if it weren't for rambunctious juveniles like me, and....the other idiots.

Just one more thing to say.



QreepyBoris!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, the useless semi flame wars I had with you will always be in memory.

[stretchypanda]

So you're saying that bad language is quality?

[TheTypist]

Honestly, I don't know why you're so desperate to curse. First of all you can get around it, and second, if you really need to curse you convey that you aren't comfortable enough with the english language to use actual words, which I know none of you are...

umm....

right?

[QreepyBORIS]

I say that either have none or all of the bases covered.

Until I petitioned for change, the "n-word" still appeared uncensored, quite often. Either censor all of the bad language, or none of it. Makes sense to me.

N*#$#. <-Nope, it's censored, *****. <-That one's not though.

Nah, I was talking about maybe...10 months ago? I think. Back then, it was not, though now it clearly is.


Also: Sup, CMC. :D

[Sudden2]

Not all of the words should be blocked. Words like "gay" and "faggot" are not and should not be consitered swear words.

[Cenright]

Except they are not used in context, and instead are used a profane.

[CMCAdvanced]

Well, yeah.
You can't just say swear words aren't swear words.
I know what I'm saying, but I don't mean it to be obscene.
Just different. I don't euphemisms for words, unless they have a value al of their own.
Like, I'd say, what the "heck", if I were trying to use it after being fake upset about something.
Ex:"Oh, this new mode in FFR is bullpoo. Gee wilikers everyone, I mean, what the heck?"
Other than cases like that I'm going for hell all the way.

and in no way do I ever use words that shouldn't be used out of context as insults. I'm against racial, and other kinds of slurs as much as anyone should be.

[hatakikakashi]

wtf? sticks and stones may break my bones. But I've never been injured worse than when I went on the internet and read vulgar language. Whaa whaa I'm gonna tell momy you said a bad word. lol You all are a bunch of fargen bastages. J/K

[Cenright]

wtf? sticks and stones may break my bones. But I've never been injured worse than when I went on the internet and read vulgar language. Whaa whaa I'm gonna tell momy you said a bad word. lol You all are a bunch of fargen bastages. J/K


Seriously, learn that this isn't about just you. This is about everyone.
Just cause YOU don't care what is said, doesn't mean others don't care.
We are here to satisfy as many people as possible. People don't stop going to a forum because there are filters. Some DO stop going to forums because there AREN'T filters though.

[hatakikakashi]

ok ok your right. Plus I was beating hypocritical anyway. I don't like it when people cuss in person. I just don't mind as much in text for some reason. My dad always says cursing is just the sign of a weak mind desprately trying to express itself. I tend to agree.
We are here to satisfy as many people as possible.

[Moogy]

Anybody that thinks swearing is a sign of inferior intellect is really dumb.

[CMCAdvanced]

Well, that's just their opinion Moogy. I believe that the people that leave forums because there aren't enough filters, should probably find another forum or not even use forums, as people do have different opinions, and will express them differently. I mean, they are just words. I know I don't have to use them, and sometimes it's really inappropriate and I don't. Simple, but it's what I choose to do.

[GuidoHunter]

Anybody that thinks swearing is a sign of inferior intellect is really dumb.

Fine, it's a sign of class-less intellect.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[CMCAdvanced]

Think they are just words.

[suicidalmuskrat]

i think it's funny how we have swear filters for the kids...and so they can access the site from school. if you asked me, as a parent, i'd be more upset that my kid was chatting on flash based simulator forums during school hours, than if he read a bad word.

and banditcom, you play table-tennis seriously? do you have a USATT ranking?

And I actually agree with moogy. except i don't think people who think people who swear are dumb, i just think they're ignorant. it's just the way they talk. I kind of look at it as a speech defect, I don't judge them because of it, and you'll get used to it, and look past it eventually.

[irrationalkillin]

I couldn't see why swearing would make being in these forums any better. It's unnessesary and pointless. Censors make sence and I don't see why they should be lifted. And this is comming from a 14 year old, part of the generation you think has the problem. It is true that in general teens do swear more but only the mindless fools. I feel it is entirly unnessesary for the majority of situations. I don't see why anyone would be that mad that they'd need to in a forum. But in life there are many fools...

[TheTypist]

Anybody that thinks swearing is a sign of inferior intellect is really dumb.

Well I could just as easily say that anybody that thinks that anybody that things swearing is a sign of inferior intellect is dumb, is dumb. But it was all opinion, as was mentioned.

[Cenright]

Heavy swearing just means that people have no other way to express themselves. If those people were to actually learn the english language, there would be about 5 different words for many different similar attitudes. Some of us use them because they get our point across more thoroughly, and also give certain nuances to exact feelings. Writers don't get published for using the F-word 35 times in 2 pages.

[hatakikakashi]

I asked my Dad where he got that saying from. He told me it's something General Patton said during WWII.

[hEaLiNgViSiOnAnGeLicMiX]

I mean, they are just words. I know I don't have to use them, and sometimes it's really inappropriate and I don't. Simple, but it's what I choose to do.

Meaning, you know that cursing is offensive, you know that is considered wrong by the majority and you agree with them aswell, and you still do it? That just shows you don't care. Generally speaking, you could say that someone like that is choosing to be a rude, rather than use class and wit to get their point across.

Everyone has been through that phase where they thought swearing was cool. Maybe not EVERYONE but I could say atleast a large majority. How long it takes a person to outgrow this ridiculous habit is beyond me. We were young, and we didn't know how to express ourselves at the time, so we went to swearing. If you really think about it, it could be almost be considered aceptable...when we were 10. Forum posters here have to be atleast 13, but most active forum members are somewhere around 15. You're in highschool, or atleast Jr. High. You've learnt so much throughout the years... in real life you need to apply(sp?) it. Using your brain in life helps you gain respect. Example:

You just got a new job, first week of work you have a supervisor watching you. You're carrying a heavy box across the room. Suddenly, you drop it and it falls directly on your foot and it stubs your toe. You scream:

A) "AWWW F*CK MY F*CKING TOE"
B) "OH MY GOD!"

Which makes you sound more intelligent? It's obvious, God might not be the best word to chose either, since it is considered by some to be rude to use God's name in vain. But this is just an example. What would the supervisor think of you if you said A? What would the same supervisor think if you said B? There can a be huge difference.

[CMCAdvanced]

What about OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!
Or, dammit!!!
Because maybe you just feel like damning the heavy box that fell on your toe to hell.

[Cenright]

I use "Crap" a lot. Mostly because I have a Cockatoo, and I find it on the floor every 15 to 30 minutes.

[suicidalmuskrat]

yeah, bad example healingvision, I know that at least I would fine B worse than A. Because for us religous folk cuss words are just vulgar, whereas the Lord's name is holy (sorry, not trying to drag yet another CT thread into a relgioius debate, just think there was a better 'B' option you could have thought of to express your point)

I actually think the forums should be uncensored, but those who abuse this right should be warned, banned, in the normal fashion. Because there are connotations for certain words, which other synonymns might not embody. Like CMC said, damn can be used literally in lots of instances, as well as f*ck...there are certain connotations with F*ck that "sex" or "consumation" just don't have. Also, i know for many Dutch people (such as myself) where sh*t is just as acceptable, if not more so, than crap. So there are cultural differences that come into consideration as well.

[CMCAdvanced]

so as long as you don't go into bursts of obscenity, then no censoring? That seem right?