Pope John Paul II: 1920-2005

[natsuko]

You must have heard it by now whether you are christian or not. It doesnt matter. I am sitting in tech class right now and they have just announced it. Pope John Paul II is now officially pronounced dead. I am not a strong christian, but this still is very unfortuneate for the catholic people.

[natsuko]

Just incase the news we heard it from were wrong, they have said that CNN has not independantly confirmed Italian media reports on the pope's death, but they are waiting for the complete confirmation from the Vatican.

[Rye_Bread]

Pope John Paul II of the tarantulas. Pope John Paul II of the preachers of death. You need to read "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" to understand my meaning.

If you're hell existed I would go to it.

[lightdarkness]

He isn't dead yet.

[natsuko]

Okay, wow this is all very confusing. NOW CNN is reporting that the Vatican denies all reports on John Paul's death. Everyone got soo worried. this isnt very funny, but i think god may have pulled an april fools joke on us..Thank God, it was not true.

[natsuko]

By the way, very enlightening Rye_Bread.

[chardish]

I edited the topic of your post to make it a little less shocking, now that the reports of death have been turned down.

A sad day. Pope John Paul II is a great man, and a true force for peace in the world. People of all faiths will miss him.

[Tasselfoot]

I'll refrain from any comments I may have on this subject matter to minimalize CT flame wars.

Does the pope have his own hospital? Or is he in a bed right next to some random Italian dude.
Is his bed like his car? An enclosed box.

I'll leave you with those two thoughts.

[fusi0n]

Sad, sure...but why is this in critical thinking?

[esupin]

I'm kind of surprised that the Cardinals John II has elected to vote on his successor are disagreeing so much; they might have a mini crisis on their hands.

[GuidoHunter]

Crisis nothing, whomever they select will be great, undoubtedly.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Laharl]

I'm Mormon, and we conflict with the Catholic Church on a lot of minor-ish things, but I'm not enough of a jackass to say "Good" like a lot of people this thread have so far.

The Pope is a great man. He's been a force of peace in the world today and done lots of good.

[Mindfields]

It's about time. I mean, he's a great guy, apologizing for the crusades and all, but famous people have to die sometime or we'd all get tired of them. The same goes for everybody. If you wish that people would not die and live forever, we'd all grow depressed about how all we hear is stories about how it was back in the day of 2010.
And Tass, his car is a Mercedes that I have never seen before, but it's blingin. Basically, there's a hospital in the Vatican, and it's most likely that he's got the best room in the place, as the country kind of revolves around him...

[jewpinthethird]

Why should this be a sad day? Those who are of his faith should be happy. Not happy that he is finally dying, but happy in that his life's service will finally come to an end and that he can finally meet God/Jesus whom he spent his life serving.

[GuidoHunter]

By that logic, Jewp, nobody would be sad when anyone died. Sure, there are better things to come for him, but it's still sad to see someone great die.

On top of that, it's someone who dedicated his life to improving the world and did a damn good job of it. C'mon, it sucks that people like John Paul II and Mother Theresa aren't around anymore.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[MythamX]

My family was talking about this, we're all sad... as far as I know... But then my bro Ben said something that truly frightened me... "You wanna know something creepy? In the Bible, it says that upon the rising of the 13th Pope, Jesus will return to Earth and the World shall End... And guess what number Pope we're on?.... THE 22nd!!"

Anyway, I'm going to pray tonight before bed... I haven't prayed in 5 years, so I feel really terrible. When someone as holy as the Pope dies, it does frighten me somewhat. I just don't like to think about it, and hope that he reaches peace after death. God bless...

[Cenright]

Um... The bible doesn't speak of Popes, so you totally mistaken.

And I can't really say that I am happy either way; life or death. I don't believe anything about the pope. He is just another celebrity that made his name from being the head of what was once the most powerful institution on earth, with lies and deceit. Of course, I could go on about it, but I don't need to. History speaks for itself when it comes to the Catholic church.

[QreepyBORIS]

Cenright just layed down a layer of icy-cold e-justice.

And Irather agree with him.

Who wants to take bets on what the Pope's new assumed name will be?

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[Cenright]

I just dislike that Catholicism is the picture of Christianity, when they are so completely different than many groups today. Who esle has Saints? Saints that were never spoken of in the bible. Saints are what THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CREATED.

And the pope even supposedly had the power to ALTER biblical scripture.
Allow me to quote the 4th and 3rd to last scriptures in the entire bible, Revelation 22: 18 & 19:
"I am bearing withness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things which are written about in this scroll."

[RevenG-]

He is pretty much dead...

[chardish]

Why should this be a sad day? Those who are of his faith should be happy. Not happy that he is finally dying, but happy in that his life's service will finally come to an end and that he can finally meet God/Jesus whom he spent his life serving.

I'm very happy for the Pope, because I do feel that he's earned it. It's sad for the rest of us that such a great man is leaving us.

I have a view on life and death that most people would call screwy. Cherish life and never let go of it, but look forward to death and what's to come, realizing that this world is insignificant compared to the next.

EDIT: Cenright, you don't need to be a Catholic to appreciate the good this Pope has done: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050402/ap_on_re_eu/pope_ending_communism_2

[GuidoHunter]

Cen, where do you get the idea that that passage talks about the Pope? It sure seems to me that it's referring to anyone who is inspired by God (such as anyone who wrote any other book of the Bible). I mean, I guess you could take it literally, suggesting that you, I, or the Pope could tear out the pages from the Bible of Jesus being born and force God to obey, but something tells me that that wasn't what that passage intended to say.

Oh, and RevenG, so long as he's got a breath of life in him he's aware and capable. He may be on his deathbed, but classifying his condition as "pretty much dead" is a gross misunderstanding.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Cenright]

I am not saying that the pope hasn't done anything good in his life. But I am saying that a president that cheats on his wife can also play a big role in ending communism.

But as Christ said: "My kingdom is no part of this world."
We try not to be part of politics, because it is a dying world. In armegeddon, the worldly governments will be done away with, and later God will be putting his own system on to the earth. Even the catholics say it in prayer: "Let thy kingdom come." I know that the earth will be again a paradise.
For here I am creating a new heavens and a new earth; and the former things will not be called to mind, neither will they come up to heart.

I try to stay out of man's arrangement, so that I am no part of the world that Jehovah is wiping away. That doesn't mean that I wont help my fellow man, but I don't need to go through a government to do it. We are Jehovah's Witnesses. there were missionaries of ours in Russia while it was still the USSR. Even though at that time, being a Witness there was illegal.



And about scriptural alterations... The king James bible took out all 7000+ occurrences of god's name, Jehovah. That would be considered an addition/subtraction, don't you think? That was just the anglican church, but in medieval times, the pope had alteration rights (of course self-proclaimed). That is even in the my world history book of 10th grade.

[MythamX]

So, are you a Jehovah's wittness, or what?

Anyway, I can't believe some people are saying, 'It's about time he died.' Even if you aren't Catholic, how can you say it's about time someone died? Even if he wasn't the Pope?! That's just sick, and I think immoral. Pope John Paul II is a human being, and expecting his death with such disregard is a terrible thing.

BTW, I didn't say I read it from the Bible. I haven't even read but 1 or 2 passages, and only a few quotes. It was just my brother Ben being an idiot as usual.

[chardish]

The Pope has passed on.

[esupin]

It always seems that people become so much more popular when they die. Everybody's praising them for all that they have done, and I'm sure he will recieve some awards posthumously.
Showing support during tough times is much better than joining the bandwagon of mourners.

[natsuko]

Well whatever...it is probably not a good time for this, but i wonder if catholic schools will be having no school for a certain day. For the mourning of the pope and everything. Hmmm..

[Aedak]

Glad I'm still an Atheist.. and not caring one bit. =\

[stretchypanda]

I am very interested in this business of choosing a new pope. MSN news is becoming my best friend.

[jewpinthethird]

Anyway, I can't believe some people are saying, 'It's about time he died.' Even if you aren't Catholic, how can you say it's about time someone died? Even if he wasn't the Pope?! That's just sick, and I think immoral. Pope John Paul II is a human being, and expecting his death with such disregard is a terrible thing.

Well, it was about time he passed on. He was an old man who lived a long life. He was in poor health. It's not disrespectful or immoral to think that it is time for someone to pass on.

Why demonize death? There is no escaping it. Sooner or later, everyone and everything will die. Dont act that death is something terrible.