TWG V: Red Alert! (Human Day 4 Victory?)

[Kilgamayan]

Anyone who locks this topic for any non-moderatorial reason gets booted from the game as soon as I notice it.

Anyone who posts during the night for ANY REASON gets booted from the game as soon as I notice it. If you're a mod and find someone dicking around in the topic in the middle of the night, lock it, topic split all the crap posts out, send them into the Garbage Bin, and show me/let me know when you next see me.

This is your only warning. And trust me, I'll have no problem getting replacements, so don't test me.

:x

k

I had to make some entry-allowance decisions based on many factors. Please don't hate me if you're not on the list, I didn't anticipate all the problems I would run into by going to focus on something else for a while. =\

List of pplz:

Kefit
CypherToorima
blahblah18
Moogy
lightdarkness
roopert
alainbryden
Chardish
Tasselfoot
evilbutterfly
Afrobean
sleeplessdragn
QreepyBORIS
whorlichan
Snapps
GuidoHunter

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"There has been explosion in Tesla Block C! Hurry and call guards!"

The fifth attack on a Soviet Tesla Reactor this week was enough to make Premier Alexander Romanov take notice of this unknown threat.

"Bah! Those foul Americans, coming in here with their spies, trying to ruin Soviet war effort through cowardly underhanded tactics! I will not stand for this! It is time to nip this problem in bud."

An investigation of the most recent explosion revealed that 16 conscripts/workers had been in the area at the time. These 16 people were confined to a prison, where Romanov decided to take action. He whipped out a cell phone and dialed.

"General Boris! It is good you are in Soviet area these days, as I am needing your help. Come by Moscow Maximum Security Prison tomorrow, I have important job for you."

"Da, Comrade Premier. I assure you I will not fail your request."

The 16 prisoners were left there overnight, each wondering what was going on. Romanov had ordered their treatment to be more lenient than standard prisoners, so the night wasn't terrible. Still, no one wants to spend their time on the wrong side of prison bars.

The next day, Russia's finest in-field soldier, General Boris, arrived at the prison. Romanov had only arrived 5 minutes ago himself, and commended Boris for not keeping his Premier waiting. Romanov explained his problem as the two made their way toward the prisoners. When they arrived at the prison block where the 16 were held, Boris already had a solution Romanov was pleased with.

"So, it seems we have dirty American agents in our midst today. Such a problem is not to be tolerated. But a question remains: how to rid ourselves of them? Both our Premier and myself are fully confident in the intellect of Soviet citizens, so we will have the 16 of you decide among yourselves, every day, who you think is most likely candidate for being a traitor. Once you have reached a verdict, I will eliminate this traitor myself, to make sure they never foul Soviet land again. Do you all agree to this strategy?"

A chorus of "da"s went up from the assembled prisoners. Anything was better than being left to rot in a prison.

"Very well then. I have important business to take care of today, but I will return tomorrow, and that is when we will start process of elimination."

Boris left, followed by Romanov, who needed to get back to the Kremlin. He, also, had important business that day.

The 16 people looked around nervously, not sure what to expect of each other, when the prison guards told them it was time for sleep.

---

Aside from two normal wolves, the following special roles have been assigned to random people:

Tanya (Master Wolf): Tanya isn't America's best soldier for nothing, and she is quite proficient at stealth tactics. Combine that with her Russian name, and she will be very hard to identify as an American. Thus, she will show up as human if checked by the seer.

Guard Dog (Seer): A dog somehow got mistaken for a conscript. Don't look at me, I wasn't a part of the guards that rounded these people up. Anyway, this dog is perfect for snipping out enemy spies, but given the harsh conditions of the prison, it can only check one person a night.

Flak Trooper (Guardian): As he was a defense-oriented soldier as Russia needed him before, he has decided to a defense-oriented soldier as Russia needs him now. He has taken it upon himself to protect one person a night from any harm which may befall them.

Crazy Ivan (Vigilante): This guy is a loose cannon and a half. Willing to blow up just about anything, don't be surprised if he has a stick of dynamite hidden somewhere on his person, one that he can use to kill someone in broad daylight if he feels such is necessary. Of course, once he does so, the guards will likely search him and take away anything else he has that could be considered lethal.

If the person that has the Vigilante role is confused about anything, feel free to ask me and I'll explain.

It is now Night 1. Everyone that needs to send me a PM, do so. Note that the Vigilante, much like the Psychic, does not need to send me a PM.

[Kilgamayan]

Day 1

The prisoners awoke to a horrible sight. Someone had slit the throat of Comrade Kefit overnight without anyone noticing. Everyone recoiled in fear at the body, with his eyes rolled up and throat still dripping in blood.

Needless to say, when he arrived, General Boris was furious.

"What is meaning of this? Who dares to take coward's path and kill innocent civilians while they are locked up in prison? I will not stand for it!

You! Survivors! You will decide who I kill today, because I fear if I chose I may kill everyone in my rage. Begin making your choices!"

The thought of a very angry Boris was not what the already-frightened prisoners needed, and they huddled in fear.

Boris' eyes narrowed. "Do not make me repeat myself."

That was enough motivation for everyone, and they began to decide who they thought could have perpetrated this deed...

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CypherToorima
blahblah18
Moogy
lightdarkness
roopert
alainbryden
Chardish
Tasselfoot
evilbutterfly
Afrobean
sleeplessdragn
QreepyBORIS
whorlichan
Snapps
GuidoHunter

15 people, so 8 votes is an instalynch. Note that an insta-lynch can happen at any time - there is no 24-hour waiting period in this game. You get 60 hours to vote. Vote wisely.

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In case you're curious as to how the Vigilante works, there is one person out there who can kill anyone they want during any given day period (not night). They post that they are the Vigilante, state who they are going to kill, and that person is removed from the game. (Note that the host publicly confirms the role - the wolves can't lie because I'll point out that they're not the Vigilante.) The Vigilante gets only one kill, and after that they are no different from a normal human except everyone knows they're innocent.

It has also come to my attention that people have been asking others about their PMs because of roles having keywords. Rather than tell people to stop, I'll just list all the roles here so anyone can lie if they want to.

Conscript - Human
GI - Wolf
Tanya - Master Wolf
Guard Dog - Seer
Flak Trooper - Guardian
Crazy Ivan - Vigilante

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And for the sake of tradition...

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/modules/PNphpBB2/files/mildead.jpg

PLACE VOTES NOW

[evilbutterfly]

Well it had to be Kilga, he's obviously the master wolf! [/bringing up last game]

And damn, I feel sorry for Kefit. Twice in a row he gets killed...and well, no votes from me now, because I have no idea, especially since it's day one of my very first game. I'll wait and see...

[The_Q]

Ok, I'm not playing this game, to let everyone know. I didn't know when the signups were and missed them.

Just want to say good luck. Why didn't you kill Tass first?

Q

[CypherToorima]

Two reasons why tass wasn't killed. Wolves didn't go for him because they would think he would be gaurdianed, or he's a wolf (stating the obvious).

Bah, kefit was killed again, but why.

[blahblah18]

I don't know... he's definately not the obvious choice.. But then again, when is an obvious choice ever made?

[CypherToorima]

kefit must talk to one or more of the wolves a bit and know them enough to know if they are acting a bit odd. Maybe. Of course, there is always the reverse psychology part of it, trying to pin the blame on people who do talk to kefit alot, just like in the last game.

[evilbutterfly]

Why was he killed last game? To make people assume it was Kilga, perhaps? That can't apply this time because he's not playing, so I bet Kefit will be REALLY pissed off when he sees this.

And Cypher, they should have gone for Tass first. Seeing as to what happened last game (Tass got protected so much and it hurt the humans) the Guardian is probably wary of protecting him. Plus, the chances of him being a wolf are pretty slim. If he turns up as wolf, I'll definitly be surprised.

Anywho, back to Kefit. Why kill him? Does anybody here have close ties with him? I mean, I would have thought they would pick another person for a first night kill...

EDIT: Just for your info, my aim sn is evilbutterfly87. I don't have it shown here because newbs would IM me to death, but you guys can contact me about the game if you want.

[Tasselfoot]

i told Q at the start of game 2 that had i been a wolf again, i'd have killed him again on night 1. partially for cynical humor, partially because i feared him as a player, and partially to take suspicion away from myself.

when i saw kefit was killed again, i laughed. the cynical humor is amazingly funny in my opinion. also, kefit is a decent choice to kill because we assume he is above the average intelligence, yet still a low probability to be guardianed. also, on the off chance that kilga didn't randomly choose roles, kefit would most likely have a role. and lastly, since chardish and i killed kefit last game, this would be a good chance to pin blame on me. chardish too, assuming he is human.

[CypherToorima]

Still, Tass is an extremely important person to the humans if that's what he is. the Guardian would be wise to protect him for a bit unless he has a good reason not too. At any rate, I would try to avoid AIM alliances, since we know those can be easily taken advantage of. You can always talk with people on AIM, but don't automatically assume they are human. like blah said to me, these are smart people playing. I'm sure this won't be an easy win for either side.

[evilbutterfly]

Well, maybe Tass has a good point that they are trying to pin the blame on him and Chardish.

Or maybe the wolves are morons and picked Kefit because he's first on the list. I found that funny, because I looked up to see who all was playing and who might have killed him, and there he is at the top of the list. Just a random thought that maybe the wolves aren't smart like last time, but I doubt that.

And honestly, if I was a wolf (which I so wouldn't be able to pull off. I'm freaking out about acting suspicious as it is, as I told blah earlier) I would have hit Tass first. Then again (just thought of this) if he was killed he wouldn't be here for people to be suspicious of, and if he had been saved by the guardian the same would be true, plus the wolves would have lost a kill. Still, in my not-so-goodness in the game, I would have killed him first night (or at least tried to).

[Tasselfoot]

well, i wish you were a wolf then EB.... because myself and chardish are by far the most likely to be guardianed... therefore, trying to kill me on night 1 gives a really good shot of me warding off the attack and letting the entire game know i'm human from the start. if that isn't an advantage for the humans... i don't know of one.

[CypherToorima]

If not you, then why not chardish. I mean, the hard question is why did they pick kefit. I hate the first day. There isn't much to go off of

[Kilgamayan]

also, on the off chance that kilga didn't randomly choose roles

o.ó

watchu implyin'

[blahblah18]

haha do not incur the wrath of the moderator... for he shall strike ye down with a swift vegeance

[Tasselfoot]

just doing what y'all were saying about LD last game... and, my logic makes sense if the picks aren't random. and, no... i don't think you hand picked anything.

plus blah... kilga ain't no mod. oh shizzle.

[blahblah18]

Game Modearator... snaps

[flypie743]

>_>

I wish you would've given a time when sign-ups were coming. I would have joined, and Q would have, too. Oh well.

Good luck everyone.

[evilbutterfly]

Yeah, Tass, I'd be a terrible wolf =\

True, the Kefit question is the big deal. My vote this round will most likely be either fairly random or a complete bandwagon vote, because I have nothing to go off of. Although, I doubt it was Afrobean, because he's new to the game and would have went for Tass just like I said I would have. Besides, I'd like to think my friend isn't a wolf...

[lightdarkness]

Ok, my vote is semi random, but I have something behind it.

In Kilgas first post, he said 2 of the wolfs he hand picked. I was going to vote Kefit as a wolf, because Kilga would've given his buddy a special role. But obviously not, considering he is dead.

So i'm going off the comment Kilga made in the sign ups thread. He said he hoped qreepy was back in time for the sign ups. Meaning he wanted qreepy in the game. So my vote goes for Qreepy, because I think Kilga may have chosen him as a wolf.

[Snapps_atschool]

Since im a bit late in the acton I was still wondering why kefit would be the first to go. Usually Kefit could carry it out to a far point in the game.


EDIT: So I vote Qreepy just to see where this is going. Maybe something will come out of it.

[roopert]

I think the wolves killed kefit because they know he is very close to kilga, and maybe thought kilga would leak who the wolves were to him. Not that I think Kilga would do something like that, just a possibility. Kefit is also smart enough that it's a plus to get rid of him. It is quite the bummer he got knocked out first time both games though lol. (Uhhh is kefit a male or female? I don't want to keep referring to (s)he as a male and find out its a woman. :X)

[Kefit]

Ahem.

WHAT.

THE.

****.

That is all.

[Snapps_atschool]

Kefit is a male human. YOUR NOT ALLOWED TO TALK THOUGH SO EDIT AND SAY GOODBAH :p

heh

[blahblah18]

kefit==male kefit == person whom just recently posted a pic in other forum, take a look to stare your dead comrade in the eyes

[sleeplessdragn]

um, correct me if im wrong, but didn't kilga randomly select all the roles? wasnt he just saying that along with the two normal wolves other "special" roles were assigned?

[Snapps_atschool]

Aren't these the special roles?

Conscript - Human
GI - Wolf
Tanya - Master Wolf
Guard Dog - Seer
Flak Trooper - Guardian
Crazy Ivan - Vigilante

[evilbutterfly]

I dunno LD, I don't think he would have hand-picked them, especially considering his reaction to the suggestion of him hand-picking. Plus, isn't Qreepy the one who was all excited that it was RA? Then again, your logic is better than nothing...but I'm not gonna bandwagon with it, at least not yet. I'll see what kind of trouble that vote stirs up before I make any decisions...

[CypherToorima]

ld, roles we not hand picked.

[Snapps_atschool]

Since this is my second time playing, first time actually getting to have a role, I might be off a bit. As in deciding on who to vote for and such. But i will try my best.

[blahblah18]

why aren't you logged in as Snapps? ..

[Snapps_atschool]

Because I am at school.

Hence, Snapps_atschool.

[blahblah18]

i could make one called taht though.. and that woudl suck and cause lots of problems.. .thats all i'm saying

[CypherToorima]

why don't you just log on with your regular at school. I don't have a Cypher at home or cypher at a friends house.

[Kilgamayan]

WHAT THE HELL

I did not give anyone special treatment just because of who they were or what they've done.

And this was how I chose the roles:

//roll-dice3-sides16

//roll-dice1-sides13

//roll-dice1-sides12

//roll-dice1-sides11

k? thx.

bai

[lightdarkness]

I was just going by what you said.

You said other than the 2 normal wolves, the rest of the roles were random.

So I assumed from that line, that the 2 normal wolves were hand selected by you.

[blahblah18]

just a misinterpratation folks.. nothing to see here... I hope other people start posting

[Kilgamayan]

Oh, that.

Sorry, I did not mean to imply that I chose two wolves by hand. I can understand how that line could be construed as such, but rest assured that it is not the case.

ps lol @ three pages and one vote

[CypherToorima]

I remember game two exploded on day one. It was hard to read all of that >.>

[QreepyBORIS]

I vote Kilga.

y elz wud keffit dy lol u no??/psyche

[Snapps]

Since im a bit late in the acton I was still wondering why kefit would be the first to go. Usually Kefit could carry it out to a far point in the game.


EDIT: So I vote Qreepy just to see where this is going. Maybe something will come out of it.

Woops forgot to bold. Ok better.

Yeah the screen name for school is just for fun, I only use it mainly for the FFR Chat when people are like, OMG SHULDNT YOU BEE IN SKOOL?!

[QreepyBORIS]

You vote Qreepy because of...completely circumstancial evidence that occurred before the game started and ended up being a misunderstanding in the first place?

Yeah, that'll get you somewhere. If you're a wolf.

Snapps.

[Snapps]

You vote Qreepy because of...completely circumstancial evidence that occurred before the game started and ended up being a misunderstanding in the first place?

Yeah, that'll get you somewhere. If you're a wolf.

Snapps.



Circumstancial evidence? Explain.

[lightdarkness]

You vote Qreepy because of...completely circumstancial evidence that occurred before the game started and ended up being a misunderstanding in the first place?

Yeah, that'll get you somewhere. If you're a wolf.

Snapps.

Hey hey, I was proved wrong, and i'm ok with that. It's still a random vote for round one, so i'm going to keep it unless I hear some other "evidence".

[alainbryden]

if I was a wolf (which I so wouldn't be able to pull off. I'm freaking out about acting suspicious as it is, as I told blah earlier) I would have hit Tass first.
Yeah, Tass, I'd be a terrible wolf =\

It's not much to go by, and I definately don't consider my logic flawless, but for now my vote goes to evilbutterfly because that's the second time he's said he couldn't be a wolf. I know a real wolf probably would take care not to be so obvious, but EB's new so I really don't know. It's my attempt to make a non-random vote without bandwagonning.

[Tasselfoot]

Snapps and Qreepy... for the sake of the humans (assuming you both are), don't get pissy and into a catfight just because someone votes for you. good logic or otherwise. Qreepy, you've played in every single game so far.... you've learned how this game works. Snapps was going off of LDs misinformed assumptions in his voting for you. you should explain that to him instead of getting into a pissing contest and voting for him right back.

votes need to be based off of evidence, or strong circumstance... not vengance.

[QreepyBORIS]

You vote Qreepy because of...completely circumstancial evidence that occurred before the game started and ended up being a misunderstanding in the first place?

Yeah, that'll get you somewhere. If you're a wolf.

Snapps.



Circumstancial evidence? Explain.

...What's there to explain that was not touched on by Kilga and LD's conversation? I don't think there is anything. But here you go:

The circumstances:
Kilga wanted me specifically to have a slot in the game.
Some people thought Kilga would hand-pick two of the wolves.

Combine the above two circumstances, and you can easily reason that "Kilga wants Qreepy to be a wolf".


Now, I explain how both are BS reasons.


Kilga wanted me to be in this because I (1) Love TWG, but mostly because (2) I love RA2. Lots. :D

The whole reasoning behind me being a hand-picked wolf fall apart because of that. And as if that weren't enough, it turns out that all roles were decided with random generators.


Snapps, the person I am voting against, took this to be logic, and is not changing it after refutation. The only truly better votes than voting against me are LD and himself. The reasons behind voting for LD are rather weak, and I doubt he will vote for himself.


So, why vote for me at all, in the first place? Change it to a vote that is actually "random", as you claim yours to have been.

EDIT: LD, that's fine.

Tass, who better is there to vote for right now than someone who casts a poor vote and keeps it?

EDIT AGAIN: I've played TWG alot before I have online, you know, Tass. -_- Irrelevant, though, cause it's 100% different on the net.

And strong circumstances are not available for this one. Should nobody vote this round? We...we could try that. But that would be boring.

[Afrobean]

After much deliberation, I decided that since the first day's vote is going to be pretty much random, I'd let an AIM chat "//roll" decide for me. Thanks to Kilga, because without his showing how he decided special roles, I wouldn't have been able to remember how to roll strange dice.

Anyway, AIM's 16 sided die came up 7, and the seventh member on the list is alainbryden. Sorry, alain. I really have nothing against you.

[blahblah18]

or do you :)

[Afrobean]

or do you :)
Actually, if I was voting for someone because I don't like them, I would've probably gone for Moogy. Mostly because of all the postwhoring he used to do, and still does on occasion.

[alainbryden]

o_O I never liked aim

[evilbutterfly]

if I was a wolf (which I so wouldn't be able to pull off. I'm freaking out about acting suspicious as it is, as I told blah earlier) I would have hit Tass first.
Yeah, Tass, I'd be a terrible wolf =\

It's not much to go by, and I definately don't consider my logic flawless, but for now my vote goes to evilbutterfly because that's the second time he's said he couldn't be a wolf. I know a real wolf probably would take care not to be so obvious, but EB's new so I really don't know. It's my attempt to make a non-random vote without bandwagonning.

Crap. This is what I was saying to blah earlier. I'm so scared this game because like, I wanna stress me not being a wolf, but I don't wanna look like I'm stressing it, because that's wolfy, and I wanna say right now that I'm not a wolf, but then people will assume I am, but I have no reason for them to believe me, and this is why I didn't wanna talk at all, but then I would seem more suspicious, and GAH.

I really need to learn how to balance all that. Until then, I hope people take it for what it is: I suck at this game :( Hell, the whole last game I thought Qreepy was a wolf and never suspected Tass (well, until that last post. From now on, I'm definitly saying less unless there's something needing to be said.

Oh, and as to who I'm voting for...I may do the random thing, but I'll roll two dice and wait till I hit doubles. Whatever number it is then I will vote for (just seems more like fate that way, I think). I'll edit this if nobody has posted to cast my vote.

EDIT: Rolled 15 sided dice because, well, Kefit is dead. Pretty crazy that I got doubles on my 2nd roll.

*OnlineHost*: evilbutterfly87 rolled 2 15-sided dice: 12 6
*OnlineHost*: evilbutterfly87 rolled 2 15-sided dice: 5 5

So I go to the list, and 5th one down (excluding Kefit) is....roopert. Sorry man, not that this vote will get anything done. It's just temporary until I can get me some good evidence.

[Snapps]

Qreepy im still keeping my vote for you and you should keep your vote for me also.

I only have you as a vote not for any reasons, I only want to see what would come out of this vote and surely it helped so far.

[QreepyBORIS]

Qreepy im still keeping my vote for you and you should keep your vote for me also.

I only have you as a vote not for any reasons, I only want to see what would come out of this vote and surely it helped so far.

What?

:roll:

[Snapps]

I USED YOU FOR INFO. Omg..its not hard XD

[alainbryden]

Evilbutterfly is new and he may be using the fact that he's a new player to push this concept of him just being a bad player, in the goal of deflecting suspicion since his behaviour is 'too' obvious. This may also be something more experienced wolves are advising him to do since they would know it is hard to determine what is 'unusual' behaviour for a new player. Again, not making any firm accusation at all, just supporting my hypothesis. Either way, if the seer out there doesn't have any better leads, I would reccomend taking a look at evilbutterfly for night two.

[QreepyBORIS]

I USED YOU FOR INFO. Omg..its not hard XD

Info indeed.

You neglected to change your vote.

[Snapps]

No, I'm still keeping my vote as is. Once I vote I won't change it.

[evilbutterfly]

Alright, I can take that, but please, don't capitalize my name!! (sorry, it bugs me)

EDIT: this was at alain

[Tasselfoot]

No, I'm still keeping my vote as is. Once I vote I won't change it.

are you serious?!?!?! that is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. that statement alone should make me vote for you, and if by the 60th hour, i can't come up with anything better... i will. and, if you are going to continue with that mindset, then i HIGHLY suggest you don't vote until the majority of the votes for the day are in.

[QreepyBORIS]

No, I'm still keeping my vote as is. Once I vote I won't change it.

Don't care who dies, eh?


Plus, nobody, and I mean nobody, who was not a wolf would admit to one person, let alone the full public in the thread, that they were "testing" something.

That sets my bull**** detector off like nothing else. That's because it is complete and utter bull****.

Is it supposed to make you look more human? It sure doesn't to me. My vote stands.


EDIT: Tass got to my quoted section first.

[blahblah18]

I agree completely with Tass...

[lightdarkness]

Snapps comment was very suspicious(SP?).

Might change my vote based on that comment, but i'll wait until others have a chance to charm in on what he said.

[roopert]

Snapps seems a little more stupid than wolfish to me. No offense. However, your logic for never changing your vote is highly stupid and if there is no one else better to vote for this round, my vote goes to you because i'd rather get rid of a stupid human/wolf than a random human obviously.

[lightdarkness]

Snapps

[whorlichan]

Since this is my second time playing, first time actually getting to have a role, I might be off a bit.
How come no one has picked up on this yet? Snapps is claiming to have a special role...and acting like a complete moron. I seriously hope he is a wolf, because then we can get rid of him.

(Sorry I'm in so late. Class & RL, including the 101 freeway, do get in the way.)

[Moogy]

Snapps until better evidence for someone else.

If he's human, we don't need someone who votes on purely circumstantial evidence and then refuses to change his vote for no reason after receiving adequate info to the contrary.

If he's a wolf, well, duh.

Qreepy is suspicious as well. I will never, ever, ever, ever trust Tasselfoot in a TWG, either.

[QreepyBORIS]

Roopert, Whorli, you mind bolding those "Snapps"s?

[blahblah18]

heh those aren't votes man

[QreepyBORIS]

That's what it's looking like, I know.

But their accusatory tone and suspicion kinda make it seem like they want him out.


Plus I want him out and bolding those in would be greaaaat.

[blahblah18]

I'm thinking Snapps is just being moronic.. kinda like what roopert said.. so I'm thinkin he ain't a wolf, cuz then other wolves woudl have told him to shut up by now...moogy was the whole never trusting tass random? or was there a post I missed?
If we assume snapps is just a stupid human, can't we safely ignore him and narrow down the search? I wil l vote for him if i truly have no inkling at the end, cuz if its gonna be random, i'd oust a hindrance.. but I won't keep myself from looking, and none of yo usohuld either

[chardish]

Snapps is being a fantastically clueless idiot at this point, but he's certainly not a wolf. I don't think EB or Qreepy are wolves either, because they've been in the fray far too much. Usually wolves want to stay mostly silent and out of the way, safe in the realization that they are free from suspicion.

In TWG, this is what is known as a "war" between two players, and their constant bickering usually prevents the humans from getting a wolf for a while. The wolves usually sit tight and let this go on - after all, the wolves just need to kill humans to win, so if two humans get in a cockfight, who cares who wins.

There was some real evidence already put on the table in this game. You guys all missed it, and it was on Page 1.

Still, Tass is an extremely important person to the humans if that's what he is. the Guardian would be wise to protect him for a bit unless he has a good reason not too.

WOLF ALARM
WOLF ALARM
WOLF ALARM

Remember. The wolves want me dead just as much as they want Tass dead, and currently the guardian keeps them from being able to risk getting either of us - both of us are very, very likely to be guardianed.

So why would Cypher insist that Tass be guarded? Probably he wants the coast to be cleared so he can off me tonight, possessing a slightly greater assurance that Tass would be saved rather than me?

And if that weren't enough, the little "if that's what he is" really rubs me the wrong way. Almost if he knows full well Tass is human and is trying to hide the fact that he knows it from the general population. (Note: if you're wondering why I believe Tass is human, if Cypher is a wolf it naturally follows that Tass would be human.)

And in addition, the "protect him for a bit" is quite shifty. If Tass is protected every night (like he was last game) that leaves the wolves free to kill whomever they want without fear of repercussions.

[evilbutterfly]

I don't think him saying he was testing is bad. Not changing his vote after the fact, however, is bad. I don't wanna change my random vote until Snapps has a chance to refute, so I'll wait on that.

Btw, how long till 60 hours is up?

[Moogy]

Changing vote to Chardish. His last post pretty much announced it, and he is infinitely more dangerous than anyone else on the wolf team could be.

[lightdarkness]

Since this is my second time playing, first time actually getting to have a role, I might be off a bit.
How come no one has picked up on this yet? Snapps is claiming to have a special role...and acting like a complete moron. I seriously hope he is a wolf, because then we can get rid of him.

(Sorry I'm in so late. Class & RL, including the 101 freeway, do get in the way.)

Thats what made me switch my vote, then and there.

I just noticed that after re-reading.

[QreepyBORIS]

I personally do think he is a wolf.

If he turns out not to be, he is certainly a hindrance. And we know what just one hindrance can do in a game of TWG. Tny in last game illustrates this beautifully.

Given, that was his first game, but this is Snapps's second, which is no better at all, in my eyes.


So, if he is a wolf, and we kill him, wonderful. If he is not, and we kill him, it's really not as bad as you would think--indeed, it could be beneficial, though one might argue that there is no sense in targetting a human at all. But since the evidence points to him being a wolf, well, it would be the bigger win in the win-win situation of voting him off.


Review all of the evidence against him. You'll see.


EDIT: Moogy said what I meant in like a quarter of the words, with 4 times more coherency. Read his post as a synopsis of mine (except the part where he is suspicious of me :P).

Man, it's only 9:15, and I'm dead on my feet.

[blahblah18]

4 AM early saturday morning

My interpretation of what Snapps said was that he isn't a total idiot.. no one coudl be that stupid, and he meant he has a role to play.. such as in the first game he was killed night 1? I can only assume he meant that, and not that his IQ is under 70..

[QreepyBORIS]

If you say straight out that you have a role, you are ****ing stupid, and that's the end of the story. Well, at least 90% of the time.

And why are you going so far out of your way to defend him? THAT doesn't make sense to me....

[chardish]

Changing vote to Chardish. His last post pretty much announced it, and he is infinitely more dangerous than anyone else on the wolf team could be.

Explain to me how I'm more dangerous than anyone on the wolf team?

You understand that for every human you lynch, you actually lose 2 because a) you lynched a human and b) that's one extra night that stands between you and victory.

And if too many humans die, you lose.

If I'm really that dangerous, then simply don't listen to me.

If you say straight out that you have a role, you are ****ing stupid, and that's the end of the story.

QFT.

[Moogy]

Changing vote back to Snapps in favor of eliminating him.

[sleeplessdragn]

im going with Snapps because his words caused me to raise an eyebrow very quickly. of all the games ive played in ive never heard anyone simply announce that they have a role. if that doesnt sound an alarm, iunno wat will.

[blahblah18]

sleepless look at my post, I"m neither defending nor condemning him, but I refuse to believe he's that moronic... so odds are he meant a roel i nplaying the game, as opposed to being killed on night 1 like the only othert game he was in

[evilbutterfly]

When I read Snapps say something about a "role" my first thought was "you moron, people will all think you're special now." But then I realized that he wouldn't want to come out and say that, and it was either a mistake, a bad way of wording things, or he's just a moron. Regardless of which, it seems dangerous to keep him around. I still wanna hear his side of things before I change any votings.

Although, I might not change my vote. There are some people I'm looking at suspiciously, so I think I'll keep my random vote before I go pointing fingers. I'll let suspects post more before I try and say they've done anything, because I wanna make sure I'm doing the right thing (like, last game I thought Qreepy was a wolf the whole time and would have said something if I was playing, but I was wrong). Wouldn't wanna vote off any humans by accident.

[GuidoHunter]

Okay, six pages of stuff to digest...

My first thought was about why Tass or chardish didn't die. I know I expected Tass to be guarded, by a newb who thought, "ZOMG Tassel's awesome, let's keep him around" if not a regular who knows how valuable he really is. So, why not chardish for a first pick? Well, there's the obvious reason that one or both of them are wolves, but I think it's still too early to go off of that.

Regarding Snapps, I agree that he's just dumb, and not being wolfish. I also agree that getting rid of him may help us in the long run (as getting rid of tny would have been last game), but I'd REALLY rather not lose any humans. I move to back off of Snapps.

Regarding evil, while his actions are slightly suspicious, that can be explained by his newbness. However, I still think there's something slightly strange about his defense. It's not that he's trying too hard like alain said, but something I can't really tell. I'm sure he'll give himself away soon if he's a wolf, though.

One person who really caught my eye was Moogy. That's a pretty bold move to come out against chardish that early on. Once chardish made a really meaningful post, Moogy jumped on him hoping that chardish's logic would be enough to swing support against him. Once he sees that he can't garner support, he moves on to the bandwagon. This is why my vote goes to Moogy.

I had a little more, but I got distracted. Perhaps after this movie I'll come back...

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Snapps]

When I read Snapps say something about a "role" my first thought was "you moron, people will all think you're special now." But then I realized that he wouldn't want to come out and say that, and it was either a mistake, a bad way of wording things, or he's just a moron. Regardless of which, it seems dangerous to keep him around. I still wanna hear his side of things before I change any votings.

Although, I might not change my vote. There are some people I'm looking at suspiciously, so I think I'll keep my random vote before I go pointing fingers. I'll let suspects post more before I try and say they've done anything, because I wanna make sure I'm doing the right thing (like, last game I thought Qreepy was a wolf the whole time and would have said something if I was playing, but I was wrong). Wouldn't wanna vote off any humans by accident.

What I meant about role as in actually getting to play the game with a role, like a wolf or a human. I had bad choice in words. Remember the time when I was killed before the game actually started? Thats when I didn't get a role.

And also about me not changing my votes, I guess that is a stupid choice. But the reasoning behind it was that I would have gotten very much detail on who is a wolf that then I can pick without any regrets.

I didn't mean to have any of you guys think differently :/

[blahblah18]

finally logic begins to appear in some posts... God bless

[evilbutterfly]

Just a suggestion for Kilga: please post what time day and night end (as LD did) and maybe have little vote count updates (as in previous TWGs). I, for one, have no idea when this "day" ends, so I don't know when voting closes. I would use your original post's time as a reference, but we all know that it's all wrong. The voting is just laziness on my part, because I don't feel like searching through the pages for all the votes :P. But yeah, just some suggestions.

And I have nothing to add to the voting scene. I don't know if Snapps is dumb or what, and the rest of you all either seem too quiet or too loud. I don't know anything right now, so I'm just gonna go to bed and try not to worry about this game, because all my worrying can make me say stupid stuff, and as we can see with Snapps, saying stupid stuff = you're screwed. G'night all

[Kilgamayan]

Uh.

15 people, so 8 votes is an instalynch. Note that an insta-lynch can happen at any time - there is no 24-hour waiting period in this game. You get 60 hours to vote. Vote wisely.

And I would update but I have a DiffEQ test in 8 1/2 hours so I want to go to bed.

[blahblah18]

oh DiffEQ's... i'm glad I don't have to deal with those anymore... as I"ve already said.. the day ends 4 AM saturday morning or when one person gets 8 votes

[GuidoHunter]

Man, DiffEQ was such a great class...

But anyway, is someone keeping a record of votes? I'm always up for seeing a current tally.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[chardish]

For the record:

Snapps is a total freaking idiot. Not necessarily a wolf. At the very least, let him go for tonight and see what happens.

I know I'm putting myself on the chopping block by rushing to the defense of a condemned man, but look at him. He's an idiot. He doesn't know what the hell he's doing, and he's never really gotten the chance to play before.

If you're going to use the stupid role argument to nail him remember that he called them "special roles" earlier. Which means that a role need not be special; i.e. the role of human.

I'm not defending idiocy. I'm defending not lynching on little evidence.

Will someone please respond to my earlier post about Cypher? I feel like the wolves are trying to keep conversation locked on Snapps here.

[Tasselfoot]

current bandwagon voting guide, circa 2004:

Snapps - LD, moogy, qreepy, sleepless (4)
alain - afro (1)
evilbutterfly - alain (1)
cypher - chardish (1)
roopert - evilbutterfly (1)
moogy - guido (1)
qreepy - snapps (1)

not voted yet - blahblah, cypher, roopert, tass, whorli (5)


ps - i'll comment on pages 5-7 tomorrow.

[whorlichan]

Sorry, Qreepy--still not voting, because while I do think Snapps is an idiot, it doesn't necessarily follow that he's a wolfish idiot. I have suspicions in other directions, but you and him getting into a vote war (when really, one each way does not make a difference) is pointless. You may want him out, but I want a human victory.

[Moogy]

Just so you know, Guido, I didn't just switch votes randomly. I was involved in a discussion on AIM, and we decided that it would be best to eliminate Snapps today and hold off on Chardish.

[Snapps]

If you're going to use the stupid role argument to nail him remember that he called them "special roles" earlier. Which means that a role need not be special; i.e. the role of human.

Can someone quote me on when I said "special roles"? Because I only remember using the word role as a term for wolf and human, which I explained earlier on what I meant.

[chardish]

Aren't these the special roles?

Conscript - Human
GI - Wolf
Tanya - Master Wolf
Guard Dog - Seer
Flak Trooper - Guardian
Crazy Ivan - Vigilante

[alainbryden]

I think this is a misunderstanding getting out of hand. Snapps hasn't shown any evidence that he's a wolf. He just had a random misuse of a word that didn't mean anything in any context. If anything I'm suspicious of moogy and qreepy for incessantly pressing the matter when there's clearly no substance to it. There are alot of people acting much more suspicious than snapps is right now. I honesly think someone should take another look at evilbutterfly.

EDIT X2 (spelling)
And Chardish, about your comment on Cypher, you're probably right that you and Tass are on the wolfs' top end of the list, but what Cypher said was just an opinion. He felt that Tass was more valuable a player, if he were on the human side, and would be most likely to protected on night one. He was simply answering the question "why not vote off Tass?" He was just expressing the logic that the wolves probably figured Tass was most likely to be guarded and therefore voted for someone else on night one. The same logic could be expanded to include you. They probably decided that it was equally probable that you or Tass would be guarded the first night, which is why they went for someone less important (sorry Kefit). I don't think there's any guilt in what Cypher said.

[lightdarkness]

Changing my vote to Cypher.

His comment regarding the Guarding of Tass, and that being good for the wolves set something off on my Wolfdar.

[evilbutterfly]

If anything I'm suspicious of moogy and qreepy for incessantly pressing the matter when there's clearly no substance to it.

I was thinking that too, kinda, but I didn't want to say anything. Partly because last game I kept thinking Qreepy was a wolf but he wasn't, so I think maybe he just has a habit of doing things that seem wolfy to me.

However, I kinda agree with Moogy's statements, like not being able to trust Tass and his quick attack of Chardish. Not trusting Tass isn't a wolfy idea, it's a human one, I think. I mean, Tass wins every game, so until we know FOR SURE that he's a human, we can't trust him as one. And until we get the seer to scan around some and find people to trust, we can't know who is a wolf and who isn't.

And Chardish...I dunno. Maybe it's just how he plays, being so aggressive, or maybe he's trying to focus us on the wrong thing because he's a wolf. I'm wary of coming out strong against anybody (especially the biggies like him) because I'd instantly be thought a wolf, just like Moogy was.

Hence, for now, my vote stays the same. I need to see how people focus now that everyone seems agreed that Snapps was just being stupid because it's his first game (something I can definitly sympathize with :P). So, now that one possible votee is fading from the picture, I'll see how people accuse and react in the coming day.

Oh, having just said that, I think that's what Snapps meant when he said he was probing for info (or however he worded it). I guess he figured he'd vote for Qreepy to see how he would react, and Qreepy's actions (which, as alain said, are kinda suspicious) only confirmed Snapps action in voting for him. Looking back, it doesn't seem wrong (even though I believe earlier I directly stated that it was XD).

[alainbryden]

I like everything you said evilbutterfly. Very objective, uncertain*, and seemingly begging for my acceptance - spoken like a true wolf! hehe - you're not off the hook with me yet ; ) And still in all seriousness, I agree with everything you said.

*I beleive you said either "kinda", "maybe" or "dunno" 8 times - Just to poke fun

[QreepyBORIS]

Currently in my crosshairs (though I speak proverbially, not literally): Snapps, Cypher, Chardish.

I don't need to provide reasoning for Cypher and Chardish, cause I'm not voting for them. ;D

You might be wondering why Moogy and I share similar views.

It's basically a coincidence.


Though I did conspire, one might say, with him about changing his vote. We contacted each other because our similarites in view were brought forth, though. We did not contact eachother to make our views the same.

I don't think anyone accused us of that, I just wanted that in the open.

And by default, Moogy is half on my list, simply because he contacted me. So are some other people, also by default.

EDIT TO GIVE THIS DAMN POST A TOPIC AND NOT MAKE IT SOLELY PROPOGANDA: Evil/alain, once again, if you ever feel suspicious, feel free (actually I encourage it) to contact me on AIM. I'm always online. All the time. If you want things cleared up, well, do that.

Also, since although I only have one vote against me, everyone seems to have me in the back of their minds, I shall reiterate: The seer is encouraged to seer me. Always. Of course, this can only be done at night, and it's day, so it's not like that's a terrible help. At least this game, the seer isn't dead yet ;). Well, that's just a guess. But it's very unlikely that the seer is dead already.

So, if you have suspicions, you know what you doing.

[evilbutterfly]

Uncertainty because, well, I'm uncertain. I can't really read people too well, especially having not done this before (I watched the last game, but I must say it's quite different when you're actually in the game). Hopefully I'll get better before the end.

And about me "begging for your acceptance." Well, if you knew me personally, you'd know that I am really bothered when people don't believe me. I've said it before on FFR (quite a while back, on several occasions) that I'm an extremely honest person and that I'm very hurt when people don't trust me. In real life, when people accuse me of lying, I act very guilty (ya know, like, kinda grinning/laughing and saying I'm innocent). People who don't know me very well assume this means I'm guilty, but really I'm just upset about being mistrusted. The same thing applies here, though less (because, really, at least three people here have to be lying).

Anywho, I was just recently reminded that I still have no idea why Kefit died, and more importantly, who would kill him. Knowing the motive makes it easier to find a criminal, so I think we should look into that a lil more than just point fingers at people. I believe Tass mentioned that maybe Kefit was killed to make Tass look suspicious or something. We need to elaborate on what we have and then maybe link the qualities that would make such a kill with people here.

[alainbryden]

Evil/alain, once again, if you ever feel suspicious, feel free (actually I encourage it) to contact me on AIM. I'm always online. All the time. If you want things cleared up, well, do that.


:O what is this all about. You want us to contact you so that you can convince us not to be suspicious of you? I don't really understand what you're saying here. It seems the kind of thing you would invite in a pm. Or hell, my aims down there, why didn't you just contact me?

And everyone knows it's useless if the seer does see you, because he can't come out any time soon and convince everyone he's the seer, and call you human or wolf or anything and get away with it. Inviting the seer to look at you is like inviting people to hack into your pms if they want proof. That and even then, you could be the Sanya, but even then I don't think you would dare say something so suspicious if you actually were the master wolf.

QueepySuspicionCount ++;
sorry

[QreepyBORIS]

I know from experience that evil doesn't want to look a liar.

He had biohazard hair, and I said I thought it wasn't his hair (as in I thought he googled it, not googled it and claimed it to be his), and he was up my **** about it. Seriously.

[evilbutterfly]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!! That's right! I couldn't remember why people were saying I was lying, and I forgot that it was you! But seriously, that was my hair. Next time we do something crazy like that I'll get a picture of the back AND the front, with my face showing. But yeah, as you obviously recall, I really don't like being mistrusted, haha.

[alainbryden]

I'm an extremely honest person

Don't use that as your excuse, it's so easy to fake it over the internet, and afterall, that's what this game is about - not letting anyone know 100% what you are.


*edited 6 times for spelling :?

[evilbutterfly]

Not if you have nothing to hide. Then again, not hiding anything just makes you seem like you're trying too hard, which seems to be worse than acting quiet and suspicious.

Bah, I'm not really contributing to the figuring out of wolves right now. Mostly because I'm confused. Like, I don't know if alain is being a good human trying to eliminate a possible wolf or if he's being a good wolf in trying to get all the humans to kill another human. Same goes with everybody jumping on Snapps.

Speaking of him: I've talked to him in the past (a lot because of the FL contest he made) and I just figured I'd let everybody know that, well, he can be really dumb sometimes. He's said some really retarded stuff over AIM in the past, so when I read his really bad wording (well, I took it as such. I'm not 100% sure of his humanity) I figured he had just slipped up and had another really stupid moment. It happens to everybody, especially newbies to the game, so I think we should forgive him. If he continues to say things like that, maybe we'll sick Boris on him then.

[CypherToorima]

Changing my vote to Cypher.

His comment regarding the Guarding of Tass, and that being good for the wolves set something off on my Wolfdar.

ld, I never said guarding tass would be good for the wolves.
I decided to quote myself.
Still, Tass is an extremely important person to the humans if that's what he is. the Guardian would be wise to protect him for a bit unless he has a good reason not too. At any rate, I would try to avoid AIM alliances, since we know those can be easily taken advantage of. You can always talk with people on AIM, but don't automatically assume they are human. like blah said to me, these are smart people playing. I'm sure this won't be an easy win for either side.

In case you missed it, here it is again.

Still, Tass is an extremely important person to the humans if that's what he is. the Guardian would be wise to protect him for a bit unless he has a good reason not too. At any rate, I would try to avoid AIM alliances, since we know those can be easily taken advantage of. You can always talk with people on AIM, but don't automatically assume they are human. like blah said to me, these are smart people playing. I'm sure this won't be an easy win for either side.

I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where I said guarding tass would be good for the wolves. You have me mistaken for chardish.



Still, Tass is an extremely important person to the humans if that's what he is. the Guardian would be wise to protect him for a bit unless he has a good reason not too.

Remember. The wolves want me dead just as much as they want Tass dead, and currently the guardian keeps them from being able to risk getting either of us - both of us are very, very likely to be guardianed.

So why would Cypher insist that Tass be guarded? Probably he wants the coast to be cleared so he can off me tonight, possessing a slightly greater assurance that Tass would be saved rather than me?

...

And in addition, the "protect him for a bit" is quite shifty. If Tass is protected every night (like he was last game) that leaves the wolves free to kill whomever they want without fear of repercussions.

That's where you have me mistaking for chardish.

Chardish, I was advising the guardian just like tass advised me when I was seer. The choice is comepletely up to the guardian. But...chardish...which do you want? 1)For only you two to be guardianed while the wolves are free to kill anyone else...or 2) for the guardian to choose whom he sees fit to be guardianed.

Sounds to me like you want the first one. Even moreso it sounds like only you want to be guardianed. Why? If a guardian gaurds a wolf, it's a waste.
Sounds like you're trying to help the wolves. Why? Good question.

EDIT: Spelt guardian right.

[Tasselfoot]

guardian.

[QreepyBORIS]

Evil/alain, once again, if you ever feel suspicious, feel free (actually I encourage it) to contact me on AIM. I'm always online. All the time. If you want things cleared up, well, do that.


:O what is this all about. You want us to contact you so that you can convince us not to be suspicious of you? I don't really understand what you're saying here. It seems the kind of thing you would invite in a pm. Or hell, my aims down there, why didn't you just contact me?

And everyone knows it's useless if the seer does see you, because he can't come out any time soon and convince everyone he's the seer, and call you human or wolf or anything and get away with it. Inviting the seer to look at you is like inviting people to hack into your pms if they want proof. That and even then, you could be the Sanya, but even then I don't think you would dare say something so suspicious if you actually were the master wolf.

QueepySuspicionCount ++;
sorry

The seer has ALWAYS been in some sort of alliance. It just happens that way.

Inviting the seer to look at me has saved my life two times to date. Something wrong with that? No. Only thing wrong is that it wasted a seering.

Clearly, since I love saving myself, I WANT A SEERING. So go ahead.


And I wanted people suspicious of me, specifically, to drop an IM my way. This, too has saved my life a couple of times. But then I directed that to specific people, not a general suspicious public.

I hate contacting people on my own for this game over AIM, for numerous reasons that are strategic/neurotic. So no go there, sorry. I've only done it once or twice. And not again.

I never had really thought of doing it by PM. But that doesn't really matter. I don't have anything to hide, to be sure, so what difference does it make? I can do it publically.


And damnit, spell my name right!

[evilbutterfly]

I never had really thought of doing it by PM.

Really, what's the difference? PMs are just really slow IMs that go through FFR instead of AIM.

And as to all this talk of seering people. Seriously, what about the master wolf? I avoid saying "seer me!!" because then if I do get seered, and I come up human, the seer might think I'm just the master wolf and still not believe me. Seering to be sure of someone's humanity really doesn't work when you factor in the master wolf.

[Tasselfoot]

TasselFoot: 1/15 is the master wolf. all this means is you have to use your instincts more. if i was the seer, i would ignore the master wolf. pretend it didn't exist. do what i did in twg2 and twg3... build the alliace. if the game is still going on after all non-alliance members have been killed, THEN assume the master wolf is still in the game.
TasselFoot: but, thats just me.
evilbutterfly87: that's a good strategy, actually
evilbutterfly87: but a master wolf knowing all your plans could be a hinderance
TasselFoot: why.
TasselFoot: my plan has been and always will be... foolproof.
TasselFoot: its the reason the master wolf was put in to begin with
evilbutterfly87: hmmm, i think your ego is getting a little too big
TasselFoot: my ego is flatlined. its just a plateau. and, until you can give evidence that i'm wrong, i'll keep my position.
evilbutterfly87: i think your strategy is a good one
evilbutterfly87: in fact, if you are human, i suggest you post it
TasselFoot: also... the other part. the master wolf would be stupid to kill the seer once getting into the alliance.
evilbutterfly87: because after thinking some more about it, if the psycic is still around and sees that a previously seered human got killed and made the wolf count go down, you wouldnt have to worry about it either
TasselFoot: no psychic this game.
TasselFoot: so can't tell that way.
evilbutterfly87: really??
evilbutterfly87: i hadnt noticed
TasselFoot: seer, guardian, vigilante.
evilbutterfly87: psychic does help alot
TasselFoot: yes. there isn't one this game.
evilbutterfly87: i'm not so sure i like the vigilante role. i guess i'll have to wait until its powers are used before i can decide, though
TasselFoot: seer and the vigilante need to get together.
evilbutterfly87: very true
TasselFoot: that way, if a wolf gets seered.... bam. insta death. and a regular killing too.
evilbutterfly87: good thing about the vigilante role
evilbutterfly87: is that if he's suspected
evilbutterfly87: he can say he's vigilante
evilbutterfly87: and be able to prove it
TasselFoot: only after he kills someone
evilbutterfly87: well, he could just announce it and ask the seer to PM/IM him
TasselFoot: and then expect to be killed.
TasselFoot: at night.
evilbutterfly87: well of course that would be last resort and he's dead anyways
evilbutterfly87: but it would help the team
evilbutterfly87: he would probably get multiple "I'm the seer!" responses
TasselFoot: at most 2.
TasselFoot: 1 wolf, 1 seer. would be stupid for more than 1 wolf to claim.
evilbutterfly87: yeah
evilbutterfly87: but if the seer targets the fake seer, it would make it for the vigilante to choose


i'll use that to answer your comment eb. you also asked me to post it, so... there it is.

and, i sincerly hope the seer decides to follow my logic. as always, i would like to be apart of it as well.

[blahblah18]

Just to throw **** in and be troublesome... wouldn't you say that Tass if you were the Master Wolf? :)

[lightdarkness]

Tass was the Master Wolf last game.

He didn't say it.

[blahblah18]

he had no need to... I mean come on, none of it came into play.. the seer was dead day one... twas a different scenario

[Tasselfoot]

and... no blah, i wouldn't. if i was a wolf, the last thing i'd want is an alliance at all. an alliance forms, the humans win. there is no other outcome possible.

unless the alliance is made up of all wolves and 1-2 humans. but, that isn't what i'm talking about. i'm talking about the real seer having an alliance built up over 3-4 days. bring in 5 people. guarenteed to get 2 wolves, and the 3rd is a crapshoot if its the masterwolf who got into the alliance. if the MW gets killed during the day before being seered... you get all 3. otherwise, you look internally. start with the most suspicious and work backwards. in the end, it comes down to 3 people. 2 humans, 1 master wolf. the humans have to vote together. every time i am human, i want an alliance. when i'm a wolf... hell no. i fear the alliance.

[evilbutterfly]

Besides, what could the master wolf do in such an alliance? If he starts killing all the alliance members it would raise suspicion. If he kills the seer it would raise suspicion. If he in any way didn't follow the alliance, it would raise suspicion. All that the alliance would get him is the knowledge of who the seer is, and if the seer is killed right after bringing in the master wolf, everybody would realize what happened and kill the master wolf. I had never thought about Tass's idea before, but having mulled it over for a little while, he has a really good point.

[CypherToorima]

Cypher Toorima: how would the alliance know who killed the seer
evilbutterfly87: seer can only check one person a night
evilbutterfly87: everybody knows who is in the alliance
evilbutterfly87: Master Wolf comes in
evilbutterfly87: seer dies the next day
evilbutterfly87: see?
Cypher Toorima: what if the master wolf is in
Cypher Toorima: waits a couple days
Cypher Toorima: someone else comes in
Cypher Toorima: bam, seer's dead
evilbutterfly87: hmmmmmm
evilbutterfly87: ****

[GuidoHunter]

Very well, Moogy, although that information made me even more suspicious of you. Jumping on the tail end of a bandwagon to try and secure a human's death only to go back to chardish? Whatever.

Haha, I totally forgot I had opened this window and started this reply. I got AIM bombed and didn't come back. Thoughts on the recent stuff later; I'm hungry.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[evilbutterfly]

Haha, I totally forgot I had opened this window and started this reply. I got AIM bombed and didn't come back.

I HATE when that happens!

[alainbryden]

Try to keep on the topic of accusation ;)
evilbutterfly, your idea got owned.... this isn't even considering the chance that a wolf comes in and claims to be the seer.
I have to say, I've completely given up the though that EB is a wolf, if that was his goal and I got fooled, congradulations, I'm instead going to have to switch my vote to lightdarkness. 'but,' you say, 'he's the only one who HASN'T done something to earn suspect.' Exactly. I suppose it's a little random, but at least maybe it'll get the guy talking a bit more.

[QreepyBORIS]

I hate both the AIM bombing, AND the being hungry.

[alainbryden]

I have to say, holy crap @ 60 hour voting periods. How long is this going to take with 2 and a half days per cycle?

[chardish]

I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where I said guarding tass would be good for the wolves. You have me mistaken for chardish.

...

Chardish, I was advising the guardian just like tass advised me when I was seer. The choice is comepletely up to the guardian. But...chardish...which do you want? 1)For only you two to be guardianed while the wolves are free to kill anyone else...or 2) for the guardian to choose whom he sees fit to be guardianed.

Sounds to me like you want the first one. Even moreso it sounds like only you want to be guardianed. Why? If a guardian gaurds a wolf, it's a waste.
Sounds like you're trying to help the wolves. Why? Good question.

This is an extremely absent-minded defense. The reason I voted for you was that it was your idea to guard 1 person over and over again.

the Guardian would be wise to protect him for a bitthe Guardian would be wise to protect him for a bitthe Guardian would be wise to protect him for a bit

Can you think of any other interpretation for those words other than "the guardian should protect the same person multiple times in a row?" Yet for some reason this is the idea you accuse me of holding, and yourself of decrying, when in fact the exact inverse is true.

But...chardish...which do you want? 1)For only you two to be guardianed while the wolves are free to kill anyone else...or 2) for the guardian to choose whom he sees fit to be guardianed.

#2, most certainly, which is exactly the strategy you lambasted in your earlier post, which at this point most would assume was made by an entirely different person.

That's where you have me mistaking for chardish.

I'm sorry? You claim that I accept your faulty ideas and that you accept my wise ideas, and then you spin it around to make it look like I'm distorting the truth?

Who's mistaking whom for whom?

Anyone with intelligence can figure out you're full of crap.

[CypherToorima]

Good point, but I am not in control of the guardian and I know that, I know I can't control the guardian. It was just a bit of advise. You seem bent on the fact that I'm some how controlling the guardian. The guardian is free to do as he pleases, an idea that I cannot stress enough. I view my advise much more differently than you do. I know what I'm thinking, but I can't put it into the words I want to. Is tasselfoot not a valuable person to the humans? I feel I'm safe to say that he is. I don't want him to get wolfed. Of course, I am assuming he is human, but he hasn't givin me any evidence to prove otherwise. Of course, we can see the results of a guardian guarding the wrong person, and no one wants that.

Honestly, we can't have this bickering. The only person I really feel might be a wolf is ld, but I'm not comepletely sure of that.

And I was talking to ld when I said he had me mistaken for you. He said I said it was good for the wolves if the guardian protected only one person, when I clearly didn't say that. You said something like "if one person is guardianed that leaves the wolves free to kill anyone else." So, am I wrong?

[QreepyBORIS]

We can't have bickering?

Then what's going to make us vote, you dumbass?

[evilbutterfly]

Oy, looks like it went from one mini-war to the next. Chardish, aren't you the one who said these things only detract from the humans and help the wolves? You guys calm down.

All Cypher did was state the obvious, that the guardian ought to protect Tass because he's important to the humans (if he's human).

All Chardish did was point out the obvious that protecting Tass so much could lead to another human defeat if he's a wolf (as was the case in the last game).

The problem is that you are both jumping to way too many conclusions are too little info. Just because either of you points out the obvious is no reason to cry wolf and bicker. Your lil spat isn't helping anything.

Now back to the matter at hand. I'm still undecided in voting. All this fighting among players is just distracting me, so for now I'm confused. Please you guys, be civil about your suspicions. I'll check back in later and see if some more reasonable stuff is posted and maybe read over the 9 pages of Day 1 (good lord this is taking a long time).

[CypherToorima]

Qreepy, I am just agreeing with whoever said bickering between humans is what the wolves want. How do we vote? Well, let's not hope we vote for someone who just pissed us off. That's a waste.
I vote by looking at peoples posts (and votes, but since this is the first round, there are no locked votes as in, people can change their votes [which I also look at]). Since when did people have to bicker to post?

[QreepyBORIS]

You just assumed that everyone bickering is human.

This is possible, but I still find it quite unlikely.

It's also, by direct correlation, insinuating that you know who the wolves are and are not, because of who is bickering is completely human.

People have to bicker to DISPUTE EVIDENCE and PROVE PEOPLE INNOCENT/GUILTY.

Honestly!

[CypherToorima]

Why would a wolf bicker and bring so much attention to himself? And you don't have to bicker to dispute evedince. You can talk about it, but you don't have to call them a dumbass or be malevolent in your posting.

[QreepyBORIS]

...Wolves argue in every game necessary.

It happens like that.


And malevolence is excellent.

[evilbutterfly]

I'm not assuming they're both humans. I, like others, kinda suspect Chardish a little bit. Not enough to change my vote or anything, but I just feel a vibe from him I'm not liking.

Anywho, discussing calmly is better than bickering. Bickering makes us angry and makes it harder for us to think, and people do stupid things when they act out of anger. I just think if people stopped getting into 1 on 1 disputes and stopped belittling each other (there have been many instances of calling people stupid and other mean things) that things may actually get done. Arguing distracts us from the whole and makes us focus on the people combating each other. Even if one is a wolf, this isn't good, because we may miss EXTREMELY wolfy activity from others. Seriously you guys, debate things like the intelligent people you should be and let's get this thing figured out.

[QreepyBORIS]

We have 60 hours to get over bickering. So big whoop.

And just "figuring things out" doesn't work, either, because (whoa!) there are WOLVES trying to MISLEAD THE HUMANS. And they usually do a damn fine job of it, too. So arguing has to occur.

[CypherToorima]

ld gets my vote because he's the only one who I strongly feel might be a wolf.

[lightdarkness]

I wish I could whip out some clever rebuttle to the people that have voted against me, but I can't.

Theres nothing more that I can say other than that I am human, and i'm not mad for your votes, the first round is random(ish), and thats just how it goes.

However, i'm still keeping my eye on some of the comments that have been made in this thread.

[Tasselfoot]

cypher, you are on my suspicious list... so i'm curious to hear your reasoning for voting LD. alain already voted him, and his reasoning is that LD is the only person NOT being suspicious... is that your reasoning too? because generally not being suspicious doesn't give you a strong feeling for being a wolf. and, since i am thinking of voting for you, i'd like to know your logic, perhaps to get a better understanding of why you are voting the way you are.

[CypherToorima]

Basically, I viewed it as a bandwagon vote with false evidence.

[GuidoHunter]

I, for one, expected LD to be a little more active. He was in the other games he's played, and the only other people who haven't posted much at all are sleepless and whorlichan (and, to a lesser extent, roopert, but he's always been fickle like that), who are usually quiet, and Afro, who's completely new to this. This doesn't say a whole lot against LD as far as I'm concerned, but it's more that he's quiet than he's suspicious.

Though there are a few people I'm looking at, but Moogy is still my primary concern, for the reasons I stated earlier.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[lightdarkness]

Basically, I viewed it as a bandwagon vote with false evidence.

I would've voted for you much earlier, but I waited to talk to a few people on AIM to hear their reasoning, to put down my vote.

[CypherToorima]

That doesn't explain the false evidence part of my claim.

[lightdarkness]

I, for one, expected LD to be a little more active. He was in the other games he's played, and the only other people who haven't posted much at all are sleepless and whorlichan (and, to a lesser extent, roopert, but he's always been fickle like that), who are usually quiet, and Afro, who's completely new to this. This doesn't say a whole lot against LD as far as I'm concerned, but it's more that he's quiet than he's suspicious.

Though there are a few people I'm looking at, but Moogy is still my primary concern, for the reasons I stated earlier.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

I would be way more active if the days were 24/36 hours, I personally think 60 is overkill.

Also, i've been playing a lot of Halo 2 with synth :-)

[CypherToorima]

ld, you're dancing around my accusation. And clearly you saw it, since you made another post, and I know you don't double post often.

[lightdarkness]

You talking about this one?

That doesn't explain the false evidence part of my claim.

I'm not quite I understand what you are trying to say. I don't think my reasonings were false evidence, I just didn't quote everything you said that I based my answer on.

[CypherToorima]

You said that I said protecting one person would be good for the wolves. I didn't.

[lightdarkness]

You said that I said protecting one person would be good for the wolves. I didn't.

Someone misquoted you on AIM, i'm sorry. But until I see something else for another person, my vote stands.

[lightdarkness]

After chatting with Cypher, all of my suspisions have been killed. I don't have any real evidence to go on, so I decided, for now, to go with a random vote.

Jay: good
Jay: //roll-dice1-sides15
Jay: lightdarkness42 rolled 1 15-sided die: 11
Jay: Afrobean is 11
Jay: i'm voting for him.
Cypher Toorima: technically, sleeplss is eleven
Cypher Toorima: because kefit is dead
Jay: Oh
Cypher Toorima: but, oh well
Jay: I was going off the first list
Cypher Toorima: it's still random
Jay: GAH
Jay: ok
Jay: now
Cypher Toorima: not like it really matters
Jay: afro is 1
Jay: sleepless is 2
Jay: //roll-dice1-sides2
Jay: lightdarkness42 rolled 1 2-sided die: 1
Jay: k
Jay: Afrobean it is
Cypher Toorima: heh

[CypherToorima]

You have just entered room "Chat 40549410471802261022."
*OnlineHost*: Cypher Toorima rolled 1 15-sided die: 8

Since I can't revoke my vote and ld put my supicions to rest, tass, you get my vote.

[Tasselfoot]

wtf... ld and cypher. both of you... what on earth is with the random voting. we've had 10 pages worth of posts, and both of you are random voting. i don't really care that i got one of those votes... i care that you're random voting.

if y'all dont wind up changing your votes before time is up, both of your actions are very suspicious... and flat out stupid.

[GuidoHunter]

That is pretty lame. I realized random voting would be just dumb after having just five pages.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[CypherToorima]

Basically, I haven't got any bad vibes from anyone. Not good, I know, but there just isn't much to go off of for me. I always hated the first round.

[roopert]

Well, there has been quite a bit of bickering going on this first day, and it really isn't helping me make up my mind on who is a wolf or not. So, I decided to go back to the beginning of the thread and see what happened before all the bickering. I found this quote.

You vote Qreepy because of...completely circumstancial evidence that occurred before the game started and ended up being a misunderstanding in the first place?

Yeah, that'll get you somewhere. If you're a wolf.

Snapps.


That is when Qreepy turned way over-defensive IMO and that just isn't sitting right with me. It's like he is almost trying too hard to prove against him being a wolf. Some newb makes a random vote against him and he turns it around and votes him. So, my vote goes to
Qreepy. As far as how long will this game last, well if everyone would vote the day would end and it wouldn't take so long.

[QreepyBORIS]

I encourage contact over AIM before voting against me.

And there is no such thing as "trying too hard" to show you are not a wolf. Bloody seer me.

And, maybe if you would read better, Snapps' vote was only semi-random. He just followed LD. Blindly.


I came up with GENUINE EVIDENCE against him.


And that makes me a wolf?


Sorry, I don't follow. =/

[blahblah18]

roopert the day doesn't end when everyone votes.. the day ends only in 2 ways...
A) 60 hours are up.
B) someone has a majority (in this case 8 votes)

and hey, it makes sense, except its tough the first day to reach a majority.. but come on, I don't think discussiong should end just becasue everyon'e first put down their initial idea (I"ve lbeen burned before ) :)

[QreepyBORIS]

By the way, anyone wanna put up the Bandwagon Voting Guide?

[Tasselfoot]

3 for snapps, 2 for qreepy, and 7 people have 1 vote.

3 people haven't voted.


don't feel like posting who voted for who. stop being lazy and make your own spreadsheet.

[evilbutterfly]

Quick explaination of my voting thus far in the game:

I did a random vote to avoid getting a phantom vote eventually (because I might be stupid and just forget to vote somewhere along the line). Also, I have suspicions about some people, but everybody I have suspicions about either 1) seems like a dangerous person to attack (either I get deemed wolfy for it and voted off or they turn out to be a wolf and kill me to silence my chatter) or 2) seems perfectly honest when chatted to over AIM or 3) a bit of both. But, just for the sake of things, I'll list my concerns:

Qreepy is being overly defensive.

Chardish's extreme reaction to Cypher's (I thought) harmless statement set off an alarm, but other than that he's seemed fairly alright.

Tass seems a little too interested in who seer is. He says this is because he wants to help the seer (because every time he's been able to the humans win) but I can't help but fear wolfness, because every game where the seer dies the humans lose.

LD changing his votes so much...I dunno if he's just indecisive or because the day is 60 hours or what.

Snapps seems to just be bad at this game and has bad wording. I hope he gets better if he plans to play in future games.

Afrobean (who I talk to on AIM quite a bit), when told (by me) to post something, said something along the lines of "Post what? I have nothing to say." He's probably just having a hard time reading people, and probably random voted just to avoid a phantom vote (as did I). Hopefully he'll be more active later on after he has more to base his opinions off of (Afro, sorry to kinda talk for you. If anything I said is wrong, you can correct me, but I'm pretty sure I talk to you more than anybody else in the game does, so I figured I'd just let others know you're still alive and just unsure of things).

Some people just haven't posted much at all so I have no idea.

Some people have no sig/avatar, which makes it hard for me to remember who the hell they are. They're not talking much anyways, but what little they say I tend to clump all together, because they all look the same to me!

Alain seemed to think I was a wolf and was trying to take me down. He didn't, however, seem to be trying to start a bunch of trouble (like a wolf would), especially since he eventually gave up his crusade against me.

And evilbutterfly, well, he just seems like he's really confused. Probably because he is.

[roopert]

Qreepy, there IS such thing as trying to hard to be a wolf. Many wolves in past games have done it. (Imeric12 or something is the only one that comes to mind off of the top of my head, but I know there is more.) Last game, it was used against me, even though I was infact human. As far as your genuine evidence against Snapps, anyone who knows how this game works can tell Snapps is just a noob, not a wolf. Oh and the little insult on my reading skills, which I assure you are fine, backs up my whole over-defensive thing I was talking about. My vote stays the same. For you guys who are "random voting" after 11 pages. lame. There is more than enough information to make a logical guess on a wolf.

Oh and I am not the seer nor do I know who the seer is or I WOULD seer you, along with many others. :)

[Snapps]

As far as your genuine evidence against Snapps, anyone who knows how this game works can tell Snapps is just a noob

:/

And..
Qreepy as I watch your posts go on and on you have the biggest defensive attitude i've seen yet. I now have a good reason to may think your a wolf. I may not be right though.

And haha it was like 5 pages about you guys blickering about my bad wording, its funny.

[roopert]

Well you are a noob. I didn't mean offense by it. This is your first game. If you aren't a noob then you are a wolf. I was actually helping you out. Are you not a noob?

Sorry about my not having an avatar. The avatar I use for everything else is already taken by a member here by the name of Trista (dancing Earl) and I don't want to copy her so I go without one. I have been meaning to look for a replacement, just haven't done it yet.

[QreepyBORIS]

Qreepy, there IS such thing as trying to hard to be a wolf.

Oh and I am not the seer nor do I know who the seer is or I WOULD seer you, along with many others. :)

Yeah, you sorta lost me after that first sentence. Given, it's 2:19 on a school night, but...what are you talking about? O_o

Use the wrong word? Cause...I missed that.


You may not be the seer, but the seer has read my request (probably), and they may as well get along with it at night.


And I maintain that there is no such thing as overdefensive. I think people accused me of being such each game that I was accused. Admittedly, one of those times I WAS a wolf. But the point is, I am a defensive person. You ought really to see that by now. Honestly. It's just a thing in my nature. Deal with it. =/

I shall reiterate: I am a defensive person.

This is because I like not dying. I take every threat to my life seriously. Don't you? I'm certain you do--perhaps not to the extent that I do, but as I said, it is in my personality. I cannot change that. Only my unpredictability (which is another part of my personality, as well as my indecisiveness) could overshadow that. And my unpredictability is at times very predictable, as it correlates directly with my indecisiveness.




I think that post was a wee redundant. But, whatever, I feel it was necessary. It's now 2:26. I hope it was coherent enough for you all.

[alainbryden]

I vote to change the system to 32 hour from the second day on.

Anyways, here's something helpful for a change...

[lightdarkness]

wtf... ld and cypher. both of you... what on earth is with the random voting. we've had 10 pages worth of posts, and both of you are random voting. i don't really care that i got one of those votes... i care that you're random voting.

if y'all dont wind up changing your votes before time is up, both of your actions are very suspicious... and flat out stupid.

Every hunch I had was destroyed after talking to those people, and others on aim.

It wouldn't be fair to keep their vote, and allow other people to think I was voting for him for the same reasons, because in reality, I no longer think he is a wolf.

And Yea, I change my vote a hell of a lot, I think I changed my vote 80 times in previous TWGs. It's just an extremely paranoid game.

And Tass, I still have over a day to get a new hunch on someone, 60 hours is a lot of time to convince someone you aren't a wolf, and I don't think any of the people I have talked to are wolves.

[chardish]

Vote changed to Qreepy.

Cypher's not going to die tonight anyway, and Qreepy is #2 on my suspicion list. This whole deal about wanting to get seered (I think he's brought it up about 4 times now) kind of leads me to believe he may be the master wolf, hoping that the seer will forget that just because someone comes up as human doesn't mean that they're inerrantly human. Still a 1/13 chance they're being lied to.

The master wolf would very much want to be seered because then they could mislead the humans even more effectively with impunity.

[lightdarkness]

After looking at Alians posting thing, something strikes me as suspicious about who I voted for, Afro.

He came into the thread, stated his vote, and left. I feel he has been hiding under the radar.

Thats really the only thing I have to go on right now, lucky random vote I guess :-\

[alainbryden]

Don't all comment on my awesomeness at once ;)
I am not suspicious of ld's voting patterns, they aren't abnormal. He's been quick to vote for people in all the other games. I am suspicious of all this posting about how he's talking to all these people he are sure are humans. What can really come of telling us this? It seems to be trying suggest to me he's human just because he's talking to other people he believes is human. What interests me even more, though, is how Moogy's posted 4 times and changed his vote 3 of those times. I don't recognise this act as being very wolfish, just kind of random. I'm considering other candidates for my vote right now, but for the time being I'll stick with ld, not that he's made any comment on my voting for him. (avoidance?) That being said, I'm sure LD will now comment on my voting for him.

[Tasselfoot]

jay.... just remember TWG1. "tass... PLEASE!!! i'm human... i'll give you admin access if i'm lying.... PLEASE!!!!!!!" i was a wolf, remember? so, no offense, but you aren't the greatest at seeing through people. alot of people in this game can carry out long AIM conversations and not show any wolfish nature. so, i really believe that in this game, talking on AIM is nice... but it really doesn't tell you anything. its the posts here that really matter.

[lightdarkness]

I've played/hosted 4 games since then.

Do you think i've learned a little since then?

With the peoples permission, I would be happy to show you the logs from the conversations.

[evilbutterfly]

alot of people in this game can carry out long AIM conversations and not show any wolfish nature.

And other people can show suspicious activity by accident. For example, me. First alain thought I was a wolf, then you thought I was seer, and I don't know what others think. I don't know how it is that I'm acting that makes everybody think these things, but apparently it's in my nature to act weird.

Speaking of acting weird, that's why I think Qreepy is a bit suspicious. I suspected him of things last game, and I think he just has a suspicious nature. Of course, I'm still kinda considering changing my vote to hit, but I don't know.

And on the subject of my vote, I've already explained why it remains to be random. Whoever gets voted off will get voted off regardless of my vote, it seems. Also, I'd rather not bandwagon (even though I don't feel like that's what I would do, but it would appear as such).

[chardish]

When you talk to AIM it's actually easier to fake someone than when you're talking with everyone. First of all, one person is less likely to pick up on nuances than everyone. Second of all, little nuances stand out more in posts - over AIM it's a friendly chat and (most) people don't pick apart words that much.

[alainbryden]

OMG look at chardish's post! It's encrypt3d!1 Chardish's post is clearly advertising his role!!


When you talk to AIM it's actually easier to fake someone than when you're talking with everyone. First
of all, one person is less likely to pick up on nuances than everyone. Second of all,
little nuances stand out more in posts - over AIM it's a
friendly chat and (most) people don't pick apart words that much.

[QreepyBORIS]

Vote changed to Qreepy.

Cypher's not going to die tonight anyway, and Qreepy is #2 on my suspicion list. This whole deal about wanting to get seered (I think he's brought it up about 4 times now) kind of leads me to believe he may be the master wolf, hoping that the seer will forget that just because someone comes up as human doesn't mean that they're inerrantly human. Still a 1/13 chance they're being lied to.

The master wolf would very much want to be seered because then they could mislead the humans even more effectively with impunity.

I think I brought it up twice. Maybe 3. But it's been--what--12 pages?

And the odds are terrifically against me being the Master Wolf. Retarded Suspicions + showing ups as (and indeed being) human on a Seering = I am master wolf? That's not wonderful logic.

And I could in no way mislead anyone. Nobody does what I want them to. :)

[evilbutterfly]

This is because I like not dying.

Basically, he's saying he wants us to not kill him.

Nobody does what I want them to.

Uhoh.

On another note, 60 hours is way too long. I think we can all agree on that. Posting has slowed down and it's just not as fun. Lower it alot, please. Maybe not back to 24, but seriously, this is taking too long. It's not as fun for us, and it's not fair to people who want to play in the next game because this makes this game take for-friggin-ever.

[QreepyBORIS]

Heh. That made me laugh.

And I would not be too surprised if it comes out true.

[Afrobean]

Afrobean (who I talk to on AIM quite a bit), when told (by me) to post something, said something along the lines of "Post what? I have nothing to say." He's probably just having a hard time reading people, and probably random voted just to avoid a phantom vote (as did I). Hopefully he'll be more active later on after he has more to base his opinions off of (Afro, sorry to kinda talk for you. If anything I said is wrong, you can correct me, but I'm pretty sure I talk to you more than anybody else in the game does, so I figured I'd just let others know you're still alive and just unsure of things).
eb is 100% correct. LD, I'm sorry that you think my lack of posting is suspicious, but I really have little to say. I, however, do have a little something to say now. Qreepy has been acting quite suspicious, and since he seems to be the bandwagon vote, I'm changing my vote to Qreepy.

[evilbutterfly]

For the record, Qreepy, the only reason I'm not voting for you is because you seemed like a decent person over AIM, and I was wrong about you last game and think maybe your personality makes you have a habit of acting suspiciously. Plus, I don't like bandwagoning, unless I have new evidence to add to the pile of votes. And besides, it looks like you're getting cut this time anyways.

EDIT:

@ Afro: lol you silly bandwagoner :P

[QreepyBORIS]

eb is 100% correct. LD, I'm sorry that you think my lack of posting is suspicious, but I really have little to say. I, however, do have a little something to say now. Qreepy has been acting quite suspicious, and since he seems to be the bandwagon vote, I'm changing my vote to Qreepy.

I think I remember being FIRST to vote for Snapps. Perhaps second.

Where is your mind?


Or do you mean you are voting for me just to bandwagon?

WHERE IS YOUR MIND, MAN?

Are you doing it to try to stay off other peoples' radars? What's your motive? None? Sounds like it.



Regardless, if I die the psychic can show you that the amount of wolves will remain the same.

Good luck....

[lightdarkness]

eb is 100% correct. LD, I'm sorry that you think my lack of posting is suspicious, but I really have little to say. I, however, do have a little something to say now. Qreepy has been acting quite suspicious, and since he seems to be the bandwagon vote, I'm changing my vote to Qreepy.

I think I remember being FIRST to vote for Snapps. Perhaps second.

Where is your mind?


Or do you mean you are voting for me just to bandwagon?

WHERE IS YOUR MIND, MAN?

Are you doing it to try to stay off other peoples' radars? What's your motive? None? Sounds like it.



Regardless, if I die the psychic can show you that the amount of wolves will remain the same.

Good luck....

No psychic this game.

GG

[evilbutterfly]

There is no psychic.

EDIT: Bah, LD beat me to it!

[alainbryden]

no psychic in this game qreepy :( Replaced by vigilante. Qreepy's lack of desperation to get rid of the votes is making me think he's not a wolf, because that would be a risky strategy as a wolf.

EDIT wow, beaten by two people.

[Afrobean]

eb is 100% correct. LD, I'm sorry that you think my lack of posting is suspicious, but I really have little to say. I, however, do have a little something to say now. Qreepy has been acting quite suspicious, and since he seems to be the bandwagon vote, I'm changing my vote to Qreepy.

I think I remember being FIRST to vote for Snapps. Perhaps second.

Where is your mind?


Or do you mean you are voting for me just to bandwagon?

WHERE IS YOUR MIND, MAN?

Are you doing it to try to stay off other peoples' radars? What's your motive? None? Sounds like it.



Regardless, if I die the psychic can show you that the amount of wolves will remain the same.

Good luck....
Where's my mind? I voted for you, not only because of the bandwagon, but also because of your insisting upon being seer'd. It seems to me that the only person who would be so insisting upon that would be the master wolf.

PS I'm not going to make fun of your saying that comment about the psychic. I could have made such a mistake like that myself.