TWG II - Postgame Analysis

[chardish]

It was a really good, really crazy game. I urge Kilga to stay - this game was won on a fluke. Flypie HAD to tell Tass that she was the seer on Day 1 to survive, and she already knew LD was the guardian. Thus the alliance began. That's how it happened.

Not a good way to win. AIM alliances are too easy for wolves to infiltrate.

Discuss.

[Squeek]

Two things.

One - The problem with this game was CLEARLY the psychic. Had you "alliance" people not known Qreepy's identity, you would have never formed it without hesitation.

Two - Kilga, the reason I offed you is because you noticed my strategy and I didn't want you to spread it around. It doesn't help IF THE SEER AND THE GUARDIAN BOTH KNOW EACH OTHER, ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE.

~Squeek

PS - Also my last game. By the way, Chardish, something needs to be done about AIM with this game. I mentioned it to you, but I'll say it to everyone.

Let's say I have my "Maple Story" away message up and I return from the game to see that Chardish IMs me with the question "Who are you going to get rid of tonight?". I reply and he updates the page. Anyone that sees my status on aim change from away to back and then sees the post update will OBVIOUSLY KNOW what's going on. It tips off the fact that I may have a special role. And if you know who has all the other ones, it's basically, "Oh, right. Let's SEER Squeek." And if you don't have time for that, just vote me off anyway!

[zildjian133]

By day 4 I was like thinkin Tass and some other people were being very very smart wolves, yet at the same time I trusted he was a human. Until I talked to him I wasn't 100% if he were human or not. Good accidental stradegy.

[lightdarkness]

Flypie decided aprox 4 hours before you decided who to kill. She doesn't have internet, and was only able to check in a few times this weekend.

[chardish]

Squeek, I updated the thread 3 hours after you made your pick. Also, in the future, I'll follow that same thing - waiting a while until after I have all the picks to update.

[zildjian133]

I think the game was won 100% fairly.

[lightdarkness]

Question for Wolves: Did you kill be because I started the voting for Qreepy?

[chardish]

Statistics and game awards coming shortly.

[zildjian133]

Chardish must be working pretty hard for this game, thanks for doing this. Plenty of free fun.

[Squeek]

Chardish, I know. And I thank you for doing so.

It's my fault for not picking up on the possibility sooner.

Anyway, I retire. I'll gladly assist you in running the game.

~Squeek

PS - This also means I won't sub in either...that was kind of random.

[Cenright]

Let's say I have my "Maple Story" away message up and I return from the game to see that Chardish IMs me with the question "Who are you going to get rid of tonight?". I reply and he updates the page. Anyone that sees my status on aim change from away to back and then sees the post update will OBVIOUSLY KNOW what's going on. It tips off the fact that I may have a special role. And if you know who has all the other ones, it's basically, "Oh, right. Let's SEER Squeek." And if you don't have time for that, just vote me off anyway!

Create a second name that only chardish knows. Or, dont answer for a while if you think it might tip things off. Or just PM him and stay "away"



And, are all humans getting a win, or just the survivors? Because even if the dead humans werent survivors, we still worked for the win.

[Kilgamayan]

The beginning of this game reminded me of The Crucible. Anyone else notice that?

You don't think making an alliance of people you know are not evil to fight against those who you are unsure of or certain of as evil is intelligent?

I guess you think that whole UN thing is pretty worthless too.

I support the idea of making an alliance of people I KNOW are not evil. The problem is that unless I'm the seer, I have no way of knowing if the person I'm talking to is good or not. Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, could be lying, and just because someone else backs them up doesn't mean that person also got lied to or is lying themselves. You can hardly blame a real-life human being for not trusting the unknown.

We got lucky this game - not every game has the seer, psychic and guardian all find each other on Day 1 - and the fact that the odds were already stacked in human favor (as they had four more members than the standard amount) didn't help the wolves either. That's why it came down to "hunt and peck", as Tass put it. If we had the standard starting 14 the endgame wouldn't have been that easy.

Two - Kilga, the reason I offed you is because you noticed my strategy and I didn't want you to spread it around. It doesn't help IF THE SEER AND THE GUARDIAN BOTH KNOW EACH OTHER, ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE.

I did what now?

By the way, Chardish, something needs to be done about AIM with this game. I mentioned it to you, but I'll say it to everyone.

Let's say I have my "Maple Story" away message up and I return from the game to see that Chardish IMs me with the question "Who are you going to get rid of tonight?". I reply and he updates the page. Anyone that sees my status on aim change from away to back and then sees the post update will OBVIOUSLY KNOW what's going on. It tips off the fact that I may have a special role. And if you know who has all the other ones, it's basically, "Oh, right. Let's SEER Squeek." And if you don't have time for that, just vote me off anyway!

Invis/AutoBlock.

[QreepyBORIS]

Autoblock?


Forum invisibility rocks, too. So does AIM invisibility.

<3

And No, LD, I don't think Sleepless offed you because I died. :P

[Squeek]

Let me clarify.

You figured out that there may have been a wolf in the alliance. And then you posted about it.

That's why I didn't want others thinking the same thing until after Blah/Roopert were gone.

~Squeek

[Kilgamayan]

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I said that thinking more that Tass and The Q were wolves.

[chardish]

Awards are up!

[GuidoHunter]

Sigh, none for the people who were killed?

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[QreepyBORIS]

QreepyBORIS--most incessant suck!

Seriously, I died as a wolf round one, and I died as the townsperson who was accusiong everyone of begina a wolf when they weren't on the LAST DAY.

I should get an award for being LVP. XD

[blahblah18]

haha poor Qreepy.. I was fairly confident Tass was a human the whole time thanks to stuff Cenright posted.. but I always thought there was a chance Q was behind everything and using Tass as a decoy and that he could have been a wolf... it was just a way of providing a cover if needed

[chardish]

That was funny, Qreepy, but it still didn't trump this for humor quality:

I vote for The Elder. HE'S A FEISTY ONE

[whorlichan]

Too bad I can't be in game 3, it promises to be better than ever :) But if I was, I'd be a great evil mastermind. No one would ever suspect cute little ol' me.
</diabetes-inducing cuteness attack>

[roopert]

fun game. I had a problem with trusting anyone other than guido at the beginning. my only complaint is that the sign ups for the next one open while im at school and I won't be home for another two hours so I probably wont get a spot. If it's at all possible I, as well as all us other west coasters, would greatly appreciate it if you could push it back a few hours. If not, oh well I'll just hope I can still get a spot or just observe the next game.

On a side note, you really run the game well Chardish by keeping the story interesting and staying on top of things.

[The_Q]

OMG I HAV DE DIBETEES!!!!11

Ok, here's my problem. Even after I proved the first round I was clean you guys bandwagoned against me again. Either it's wolfie doing or just my paranoia driven thought process, I don't know.

My huge disability is voting Tass ASAP because of the lack of facts against anyone. Of course an attack against the smartest person looked suspicious, but I never realized it until later. Tass's reasoning turned me to look at the underdogs (yes, he kept us together), but still paranoia led. I fought the intellectuals of the people who I knew were not regulars to the CT side. With blah here, I had some major difficulties trying to determine two things, whether he really is an econ major and if he's a good bluffer.

Squeek managed to slip in very well. I'm not sure how I managed to presume him innocent, but he got through my suspicions with out a falter. I only had a nagging thought about him once...

And of course, the alliance. I hated it. It was so easy to stay protected and safe throughout the game and STILL have to bandwagon. Lordie, that was awful. Too simple, too efficient, nothing backfired. Where's the fun in that?

Q

[QreepyBORIS]

And of course, the alliance. I hated it. It was so easy to stay protected and safe throughout the game and STILL have to bandwagon. Lordie, that was awful. Too simple, too efficient, nothing backfired. Where's the fun in that?

WELCOME TO EXACTLY WHATI THOUGHT THE WHOLE GAME.

Digression: Diplomacy is good 'cause you can't do that. ;O

[Cenright]

Q, the thing is, the alliance wont work well everytime. It could be the reason the humans lose next time.

[The_Q]

I hope we don't even have an alliance. That'd be scary fun.

Q

[chardish]

It could be the reason the humans lose next time.

Here's hoping.

[The_Q]

OMG HES A WULF. KIL H1M!

Yeah, that's how the alliance meetings went. Fun stuff.

Q

EDIT: I'm JOKING. I know, it's weird, but I do it sometimes.

And no, my sense of humor is not shriveled and dead.

[blahblah18]

haha I may be an econ major, amy not be, and I am a good bluffer, but I really was a human, althoguh my goal really was an attempt to gain knowledge and cause deconstruction the whole game... onyl because i felt it was needed to keep the alliance honest.. Its basically thanks to me Cenright was killed, but if he or Tass happened to be a wolf, it woudl've been game over, so Risk vs benefit, etcetera

[Tasselfoot]

ok.... to point out a few things...

1. Squeek, you would have been dead in 1 extra day, regardless. killing Guido put up huge warning sirens in my head, since he had been seered last night. if kilga died the next night, i KNEW it had to be internal. the coincedence was too great otherwise... also, i made sure that blah and eric weren't aware that it was kilga who was seered. so, naturally... i would have looked to you, and hopefully convinced flypie to seer you then. she happened to be ahead of me, so the game ended a night early.

2. Q, i'm very disappointed in your decision to bring Squeek into the alliance... i really would have rather had him stay outside, but you brought him in before i had a chance to talk to you about it. i'm glad it only cost us 1 round. and, well, i wasn't too upset about it at the time... but looking back, i should have been.

there is probably more i want to say... not sure what though. GL to everyone in TWG3.

[flypie743]

W00t for the awesome human/jedi knight alliance.

Pretty good game. Me and LD figured each other out. That really helped for the rest of the game.

Nothing left to say...I guess, or I just can't think of it right now...

PS: Most Valuable Player award goes to Tasselfoot for essentially engineering the entire alliance network and making a bunch of good calls that win the humans the game.

Actually, he did not engineer the alliance network. LD and I did. We started it and we planned to build on it. Tass just took over because LD got killed and I didn't have internet, so who else would have run it besides the first person bought into it set up by LD and I. But then I guess you could say Tass was in alliance with Whorli and I was in alliance with LD and we came together. But still I kind of disagree with that :/

[Squeek]

The point is I managed to get in without problems.

I didn't even do anything. The people I talked to just assumed. I loved every minute of it.

They were all like, "Yea, you voted for Qreepy, so you have to be a human!". Wow. I wasn't even in at that point to vote for him and Kagome did not vote for him. Genius. I voted for Sleepless also. Twice.

This strategy will never work again. I hope it's also not necessary since there shouldn't ever be an alliance made so simply.

Oh well, I quit until further notice anyway.

~Squeek

[sleeplessdragn]

the problem i found with the AIM network is that is left people who are relatively new to the FFR community, ie some people like me, completely out of information. the only people i talked to on AIM were essentially wolves who PM there sn and chardish, who i think squeek gave me his sn. and if i were to suddenly intrude into this "alliance" would that not send up warning flags asap?

[The_Q]

You let him in? Why didn't I know about this? I would have stopped attacking him.

TWG signups! GO NOW!

Q