Make your computer a Mathematician

[deltro300111]

Every one in a while you come across some cool, innovative program (like Project Dolphin) only this time is useful, help solve the Sierpenski riddle.
Explanation of Sierpenski's Numbers/17orBust - http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Seventeen%20or%20bust

http://www.seventeenorbust.com/

join "Team FFR" and lets PWN the world.

I think FFR has more members then the entire website,.. everybody join.

Stats September 13, 2004

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Numeric Statistics

Statistic Last Day Overall
Team age n/a 1.0 days
Work rate 1.68 M cEMs/sec 1.69 M cEMs/sec
Proth tests completed 0 tests (0.0%) 0 tests
Work done 144.74 G cEMs (100.0%) 144.74 G cEMs
Equivalent power (est.) 41.88 GHz 42.20 GHz
Processing time used (est.) 1.0 P90-yrs 1.0 P90-yrs
Currently pending tests n/a 9 tests


Rankings
Note: The rankings are only updated once a day, around 1:00 AM Eastern time. If your rate or production have changed throughout the day, don't worry � it will be reflected in the next day's update.


Neighbors: Total Production
Rank Team Name Production (cEMs) Team Age
294 IEEE 3.30 G 647.3 days
295 x8600 3.00 G 260.3 days
296 Team FFR 2.50 G 1.0 days
297 Omega 2.25 G 351.4 days
298 MechaDragon 2.00 G 245.5 days

Neighbors: Last Day's Rate
Rank Team Name Rate (cEMs/sec) Team Age
88 The Sickle Team 14.29 K 326.6 days
89 De Duiventil, Purmerend, The Netherlands 8.26 K 322.7 days
90 Team FFR 7.12 K 1.0 days
91 EspaceWin 0.00 610.3 days
92 heim2 0.00 680.6 days

Neighbors: Overall Rate
Rank Team Name Rate (cEMs/sec) Team Age
67 DOTNET 452.36 K 654.6 days
68 GaY 445.15 K 896.6 days
69 Team FFR 444.02 K 1.0 days
70 FTRD 432.22 K 193.6 days
71 DOOM 407.85 K 270.0 days


Team Roster

Rank Username Work Done Rate
Overall Last Day
1 DeltroX 67.50 G cEMs 787.11 K cEMs/sec 781.21 K cEMs/sec
2 Squeek 23.50 G cEMs 839.38 K cEMs/sec 271.94 K cEMs/sec
3 87x 23.25 G cEMs 318.89 K cEMs/sec 269.05 K cEMs/sec
4 ElSoyokaze 21.00 G cEMs 268.47 K cEMs/sec 243.02 K cEMs/sec
5 MM989 9.50 G cEMs 265.17 K cEMs/sec 109.95 K cEMs/sec
6 Moogy 0 cEMs 0 cEMs/sec 0 cEMs/sec

[GuidoHunter]

Join'd.

I LOVE prime numbers!!! No, seriously, I do; I am a math nerd. I told my girlfriend yesterday that I wanted to see a graph of my AIM message lengths as a function of time. I'm currently reading a book on imaginary numbers, and have read the biography of the number zero.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Arch0wl]

I hate math, sorry.

I bet a lot of people on FFR do too, I mean hell, if these people go so crazy over simple English corrections...

[GuidoHunter]

Loving math and loving and respecting good English grammar are by no means mutually exclusive. I am proof of that.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[jewpinthethird]

Math is fun.

[GuidoHunter]

Math is fun.

QFE

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[87x]

Yea.. i like math also.. I don't go ape shit over it.. but it's better than any form of english, science, or history...

But when I open the program "sb" and i try to enter "Team FFR" as the team name it say's something like "invalid team name", but i know its the correct spelling and everything cause I joined team FFR on the website.. So I don't know whats up with that..

[Anticrombie0909]

Hate Math.

Hate school.

Kthx.

[GuidoHunter]

Since the team name needs to be alphanumeric in the program, take out the space.

Okay, so the number one team has six hundred fifty-six members, of which only five hundred seventy-nine have done anything, and only about a hundred were active yesterday. We can do this.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[tnyhwk900]

87x- Enter "FFR" into the blank instead of "Team FFR".

[Cenright]

Seen it. They also have one for the SETI program.

http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/

[tnyhwk900]

Holy crap.. Cenright's on. o_O

[tnyhwk900]

Goddamn, SB is raping my CPU's power. It's been using like 95% of it for the past 10 minutes. =/

[GuidoHunter]

Goddamn, SB is raping my CPU's power. It's been using like 95% of it for the past 10 minutes. =/

I noticed that mine, too, has been running at about 100%, but I've seen absolutely no performace decrease, so I'll keep it there.

I used to have SETIathome, too, several years ago, but my mom was convinced that it was giving our computer serious problems, so she made me uninstall it. I really like the idea.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[lightdarkness]

Seems cool, I am participating.

[JurseyRider734]

Hate Math.

Hate school.

Kthx.




I was thinking the same exact thing.

[Squeek]

Bwahahahaha, running it takes my performance to 50% only. This is while I'm using Opera and a whole slew of tabs for some stuff and constantly downloading files as well.

Entering "TeamFFR" as the team works as well. I hope we don't end up having an "FFR" and a "Team FFR" competing against eachother unbeknownst to us all.

~Squeek

[banditcom]

I'll check into this later.

I guess I like Math. Afterall, I am in 4 Math classes this semester...

[87x]

yea.. that program maxs out your cpu usage.. i had to setup a fan facing my comp.. cause it sets in wooden desk hole thing, surrounded on all four sides by wood... so i opened the cabinet drawer and put a fan there to cool it down some...

Thanks for the help on the team name, even though that doesn't really matter much as long as you have it setup on the website that you belong to a certain team thats where your stats will go..

after you turn it off, when you turn it back on.. does it go bacvk to the very beginning??... like i was at 15 or so blocks last night before i went to sleep, and i left it running, then my step dad turned it off when he got on in the morning, now its running again and im back at 0 blocks..

just wondering about that

[Squeek]

87x - Here's what I think the program does.

You download "blocks" of numbers to check to verify their prime-ness. Every block you download is a few hundred or so numbers, or maybe just one really really big number. As the program scans the number(s) to see if it (they) are prime, it displays a percentage to tell you how far it's gotten. Upon completetion, it returns true or false to their server for that number and you get a new one. Then that's one block.

I'd assume whenever you turn your computer off, the block # resets, but you've sent the data to the server so it doesn't matter. Team FFR still gets credit.

~Squeek

PS - Just downloading the program isn't enough, so I've found out. You also have to go to the site and login (you should have given your proper e-mail when first using the program) using the password sent to your email. Then go to "Preferences" and look for Team Affiliation. Click the link and find "Team FFR" to join our awesome team of math idiots.

PPS - You don't have to be a math person to do this. Really all you need is a decent computer to run this program. By doing so, you're helping mankind solve some mysteries and helping FFR win some useless contest!

[tnyhwk900]

Wow, people. You don't have to like math to do this.

It's run by itself, so it doesn't have anything to do with you while it's running.

Besides, it supports FFR (kinda). So do it.

[Squeek]

For those that have stated in the thread that they are a part of this and/or have already signed up...make sure your points are working towards the team. We've only got 4 listed (See below)

If you used your real e-mail for the signup, you should have gotten an e-mail telling you your password. Login and select "Team FFR" from the "Team Affiliation" page. Then you're REALLY working for FFR without actually doing anything...

Here's the list.


Team Roster

1 DeltroX 49.748 G cEMs 774.391 K cEMs/sec 575.783 K cEMs/sec
2 ElSoyokaze 16.498 G cEMs 290.972 K cEMs/sec 190.944 K cEMs/sec
3 87x 15.248 G cEMs 296.736 K cEMs/sec 176.479 K cEMs/sec
4 Squeek 5.499 G cEMs 848.619 K cEMs/sec 63.646 K cEMs/sec

So, Deltro, "ElSoyokaze" (?), 87x, and me.

~Squeek

[GuidoHunter]

The site says team stats are updated every day about midnight CST. Now, I don't know about the members for each team, as Squeek signed up today, but after I read that tnyhwk and Squeek signed up, I checked and their names weren't on the list (though Squeek's is, now). I dunno.

Lessee, Deltro, 87x, Squeek, and I have all said we've joined. Who could that mysterious "ElSoyokaze" be? Happy deducing...

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Squeek]

Sheesh... I seriously thought I was making good progress until now.

I've figured out what this program does.

Basically, it assigns you a "k" number and an "n" number. Then it sends you blocks of data to calculate those numbers within the formula given. If you notice within the program it tells you block percentage and something called "full test" percentage. Well, unfortunately, "full test" is the FULL amount of time it takes to computer those two numbers within the formula just to check if it's prime. That's right. You're taking away only one possibility in about a week's time. This is an insane amount of computation occuring here. I have it set on "high" to take it down as fast as possible and in five hours I've seen a total progress of 4.5%.

Just checked the logs. I've done almost 60 blocks in that 5 hours. I have over 1,250 to go. HERE I GO.

~Squeek

[tnyhwk900]

Are you serious? It's taken me 7 1/2 hours to do 25. =/

I didn't have it on full power though.

[tnyhwk900]

Holy crap, we're at rank 69 omg <3

And why aren't I on the list? Wtf?

[GuidoHunter]

Not overall, dude. We're about 278 or so compared to ALL the other teams. We haven't moved much, and until we get a lot more people, we won't.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[ThEclipse]

Math sucks. Badly.

[87x]

it will update at midnight.. and we will be at a much higher rank

[Squeek]

CONFIRMED.

You have to do the following to ensure your hard work is adding to the value of TEAM FFR.

Make sure that when you made your account you told the program your correct e-mail. An e-mail will be sent to you with your password. To login, go here.

http://www.seventeenorbust.com/login/

Once logged in, click "Preferences". From there, find "Team Affiliation". Click the link at the end of the paragraph and find "Team FFR" in the drop-down menu. Once selected, that should be it. Now you're working for us!

Edit - 87x, we're going to be moving up at least 70 ranks.

~Squeek

PS - Since Tny just did it, it seems that your "solo" work is carried over into the team when you do the above. All is not lost from your first go with the program when you did not know about how to really sign up for a team. Just get on the team as soon as you can so you can see your real status as compared with the rest of the FFR Team.

PPS -

http://members.cox.net/mresqueek/I%20rule.PNG

[GuidoHunter]

Okay, here's what I understand:

A Sierpinski number is a k value which will yield a prime number if it is multiplied by a number 2^n and has one added to it (i.e. k2^n+1. Parenthesis used appropriately; remember order of operations.). There were seventeen candidates under 78557, and Seventeen or Bust has narrowed those down to eleven by finding an n value for six of the k values. If there can be found an n value for each of the remaining eleven, the Sierpinski conjecture will be proven. Until then, the search will go on, hence the name "Seventeen or Bust".

As Squeek said, they send you one k value (of the eleven remaining) and one n value. You devote many many hours of computations for that one value. If it's not prime, you get another n value. If it is prime, you will be quite recognized by the community of people who really care. I'm currently working on k=10223 and n=6531461. So, if (10223 x 2^6531461)+1 is prime, the number of candidates will be reduced to ten, getting ever closer to proving the conjecture.

Hey, Squeek, how did you set whatever it was to "high"? All I can see to change is the priority from Normal to Low to Idle.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Squeek]

Gah...second person to ask.

When I said "high", I meant "the highest it can go", AKA Normal.

My K value is 33661 and the N value is 6,915,888.

Guido, read my last post on page two to verify that your time spent is going towards our team. Tny just did it and it updated him into the list instantly.

~Squeek

[deltro300111]

c'mon now, I think this deserves a sticky, and ,.. like maybe a news thing.. not only do we get free advertising, but we have the chance of solving an age old math problem, maybe getting FFR in math books, records,... tell me that wouldn't be cool XD XD XD

[87x]

Yea, and also confirmed.. that if you set the SB prog's priority to normal in the actuall program and then set it to high on your task manager, it will complete the blocks a lot faster...

Here are some little test's I have preformed as proof of this..
(all percentages are taken from a 10 second time period)
-Prog settings -Task Manager Settings -Results
Idle Normal 1.1% blck
Low Normal 1.4% blck
Normal Normal 1.7% blck
Idle High 1.3% blck
Low High 1.9% blck
Normal High 2.1% blck

I didn't dare try doing those on real time because im afraid my comp would freeze just for moving my mouse over top of the "realtime" button... I had to record the times for low and normal percentages on high setting with my cell phone... because it was messing up my clock on the computer..

Those little differences might not seem like much written down like that.. but when dealing with such a big equation, that little extra .3% or .6% can make a huge difference in time..

Just for reference Im using a 1.6 ghz p4... 512 ddr ram... 80 gig hd (if that had anything to do with it)...

Well.. Im going to keep mine on idle(sb prog) - Normal(task manager), settings until I get off then im going to turn it up to Normal(sb prog) - High(task manager) to run through the night....

BTW, I still have my fan setup in front of the computer to keep it cool, lol, Probably not making a difference on speed.. but is making a huge difference on comp case temperature..

[tnyhwk900]

Cmon, sticky it. This is the next Project Dolphin thing.

And I am so relieved it carried my work over to Team FFR. My comp had been running SB for 8 hours =P

EDIT:
Current k value: 21181
Current n value: 6654044

[Moogy]

I joined

[87x]

Yea, I got a total of like .8 days... as it says.. which is like 16 hours, if im reading that "24-hour user rate" chart correctly...

"EDIT"
Current K= 21181
Current N= 6915860

Also.. has anyone tried running two Sb progs at the same time?

[tnyhwk900]

Awesome. 6 members. GOGOGOGOGO

[Squeek]

REALTIME'D.

Man this is still not enough. Got several downloads going, windows media player is on nonstop, this program is running on REALTIME on Normal mode, and I've got tons of tabs open on Opera while chatting on several different programs.

What does it take to lag out this amazing peice of machinery?!

~Squeek

[GuidoHunter]

Squeek's powers of deduction have fallen far below my expectations. I guess I can just come out and SAY that I'm ElSoyokaze.

And I made the mistake of putting SoB on high priority while I had five IE windows open. That REALLY slowed things down, so I'm keeping it on Normal/Normal.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Moogy]

Doom 3 on highest settings maybe?

[87x]

REALTIME'D.

Man this is still not enough. Got several downloads going, windows media player is on nonstop, this program is running on REALTIME on Normal mode, and I've got tons of tabs open on Opera while chatting on several different programs.

What does it take to lag out this amazing peice of machinery?!


I hate you.. my shit won't do anyhting but that on Normal-High (Sb prog,task manager.. respectively).. I haven't tried just running it on real time with nothing else open though, just to see how fast it goes.. Im afraid after I set it to real time, I won't be able to take it off, because of the humongous(sp?) amount of lag it will create...

[Squeek]

Guido - My apologies. Why not just go under the name "GuidoHunter" and make it really easy for me? Or if you wanted to somehow make it unobvious for me, Ares113. Tny went under his AIM account for some reason, but I knew it was him when I saw it.

Moogy - I plan to try Half-Life 2 on max quality. UT2k4 was a pushover. As was Rise of Nations. Doom just isn't my type of game.

87x - With half of my computer's specs, I'd say that it working on High for you is pretty darn good. If I closed out my other programs I could get it to run at 40%.

~Squeek

PS - as of now, we're ranked 235. That's a jump of about 60 slots and we're the newest team on the site. We are so awesome.

PPS - Qreepy is apparently on the site but teamless. Moogy is on the site but hasn't downloaded the program yet. Me? I'm pointing out the obvious.

PPPS - I'm owning in the Overall Rate.

[deltro300111]

Guido - My apologies. Why not just go under the name "GuidoHunter" and make it really easy for me? Or if you wanted to somehow make it unobvious for me, Ares113. Tny went under his AIM account for some reason, but I knew it was him when I saw it.

Moogy - I plan to try Half-Life 2 on max quality. UT2k4 was a pushover. As was Rise of Nations. Doom just isn't my type of game.

87x - With half of my computer's specs, I'd say that it working on High for you is pretty darn good. If I closed out my other programs I could get it to run at 40%.

~Squeek

PS - as of now, we're ranked 235. That's a jump of about 60 slots and we're the newest team on the site. We are so awesome.

PPS - Qreepy is apparently on the site but teamless. Moogy is on the site but hasn't downloaded the program yet. Me? I'm pointing out the obvious.

PPPS - I'm owning in the Overall Rate.I must be second

[GuidoHunter]

Holy shit, this actually got stickied?!

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[deltro300111]

woot. ness.

[suicidalmuskrat]

joined

[Squeek]

Some quick updates.

As expected, we jumped a huge amount in the standings. 60 or 70 ranks over some teams that have been there for months. By tomorrow, we should break into the 100s (AKA, under 200 in rank). Keep it up, yo.

Qreepy - You've logged into the site but you haven't affiliated yourself with our team. Also you need to get the program installed to actually benefit the team.

The rest of you that aren't on the team - What are you waiting for?! Sign up. NOW. Do it if you want to be cool. The method to ensure your work is going towards Team FFR is on page 3.

~Squeek

[Mwerp]

I'm really good at math but I don't like it so this sounds kinda dumb :|

[Squeek]

Yea... I'll be dropping by the time I go to bed tonight. I'm at 60% total and I'm basically the only one doing work. Plus, it got really boring once I figured out I'm only trying to solve ONE POSSIBILITY out of millions.

It's good enough that I'll be taking the number one slot by the time I turn it off for good. I've served a small amount of purpose. That's all that matters.

~Squeek

[lightdarkness]

I will only run mine when i'm out of the house, cause the fan is annoying.

[87x]

I've been running mine constantly for 57:29:00... im only getting about 375200.00 cEMs/second with a steady .9 increase on the number every second.. im only at 23%, and I plan on leaving this thing on until I atleast complete the equation assigned.. I noticed that everyone else stopped except moogy and soccr... which sucks.. but oh well..

[GuidoHunter]

I recently started seeing performance decreases with that running (my processor can only run at 100% with no problems for so long. So, I don't run it while I'm on the comp, and I'm often too lazy to turn it back on.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com/

[87x]

I have you tried just keeping it at idle?.. I mean mines been oging for 58 hours.. about 13 or more of that has been on realtime.. and im not experiecing any lag.. I don't know.. this has basically turned into personal benefit for me.. seeing how im not going to be able to place ffr in first place by myself.. i just want to find a really large prime number..

[deltro300111]

c'mon now, I'm running mine, I've got three computers doing it right now,

[soccr743]

I joined in on the fun. One comp running it which has a 2.8 ghz processor...

I have no lag what so ever...

-----Soccr743-----

[GuidoHunter]

I'm back running on idle, so that's how mine may stay. If I just get one number done, I'll feel all proud and whatnot to know that I, and only I, found out whether or not [(10223*2^6531461)+1] is prime.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com/

[87x]

im glad this program has a restart on it... my parents reset the computer and I have it set to come back on when it starts up.. apparently its still running the same K and N as before.. with the same over all percentage done... So the 65+ hours i had it running before wasn't wasted..

[GuidoHunter]

Hmm. When I stopped it once, I had about 965 blocks left, but when I restarted it, I had a little over a thousand. While it still saved most of my progress, I'm not sure as to why I lost those blocks. Maybe it was just during a time when the server was down and it couldn't send the data back. I also shut it down a few times when I needed the performance, and due to that it says I've only done 117 blocks, even though I've actually completed far more in my twenty-three and a half hour run time.

I wouldn't recommend shutting it down for these reasons, but it may work just fine for you.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Squeek]

c'mon now, I'm running mine, I've got three computers doing it right now,

No wonder you were going so fast. Funny part is with just this one I passed you. Then quit. I got 60% done total.

~Squeek

[Xaimus]

I'd send my old P266 MMX running FreeBSD to be a dedicated distributed computing box running this and Folding@home (sloooow), but the hard drive has serious issues. :(

[1-4-4]

Who could that mysterious "ElSoyokaze" be? Happy deducing...

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

ElSoyokaze is will be you....Guido That's what I Figure it out


-----Purple player-----

[87x]

I see this has kinda fell off... eh, figured it wouldn't last forever..

[GuidoHunter]

Meh. I've had to run it at idle recently, so I'm still at 56.3% and over 106 hours, but I'm still a-goin'. Once I complete this number, I'll re-evaluate whether or not I want to continue, but I think I still will.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[alextrebek]

I joined. And it sounds like mine is going faster than other people's, I can get blocks done in under 10 minutes at normal/normal.

[GuidoHunter]

Running it at normal/normal goes MUCH faster than idle/normal. On idle, It takes me 10-11 minutes for an individual block. I'm not sure exactly how much faster running it on normal is, since I'm asleep when it runs on normal, but I'll try to see.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[87x]

Yea, mines been running on idle/normal for th past 72:30 hours... and i've completed 309 blks in that time.. It takes me abou 13 minutes on this speed to complete a blck transfer and my overall is at 69.9%... It been going a lot slower recently because I have been playing CS, CS CZ, NS, and DoD pretty much in all the spare time I have.. and because I ran a Full system sweep last night on Ad-ware SE 1.05.. that took a while to do, and ate up alot of processor speed..

[1-4-4]

Interesting 87x =)

[GuidoHunter]

I FINISHED MY NUMBERS!!!!!

As I expected, it's not prime (Hey, we've been looking for seventeen numbers out of, so far, about a hundred twenty million). But at least I can feel confident in telling people that I know that (10223*2^6531461)+1 is not prime, just in case anyone asks.

So, now I'm off checking k=4847 and n=6984471. It took me somewhere between 210-215 hours to complete the other one, too. Sigh, I hope I don't get to the "or bust" part of this experiment, but that's the most likely thing to happen.

EDIT: It seems that I'm the ONLY person to have completed a test, according to the website. In similar news, we're now ranked about 155.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Omeganitros]

Gah. Finally joined. About time I did.

[87x]

eh.. 93.5%, I turned it off last night, because I wanted to see it hit 100%.. but it seems as i should of just left it on.. And it's weird I have done more work than you Guido, in every aspect of the site, and have still yet to finish my numbers.. hmm oh well.. I gots another 15 hours left..

EDIT
Nvm, I know why you finished before me.. Cause the first time I started this and ran it for some time my comp fucked up.. So after the reset I turned it back on and it started doing two different values..

[Xaimus]

Hooray, I have joined. gogo pentium mmx gogo

[GuidoHunter]

Proth test number two = FINISHED!!!

Now I'm working on k=24737 and n=7083943

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[GuidoHunter]

Proth test number three = FINISHED!!!

Now I'm working on k=10223 and n=6882221

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com