One Handers Are Gods in the FFR World?

[Sweagen]

Well, I don't know if it's true, but that has been one of my beliefs since I started FFR.

I'm a spread player (have been since I began playing), and I've always believed one-handers, even when lacking the skill of other types of players, to be deserving of the highest respect in the FFR community because they are the ones who take the hardest and most impressive route in the game.

However, almost every one-hander I've ever met describe a disgust at their one-handed playing ability, and always desperately hope to migrate to spread or some other such format... I don't see why they should take shame at their ability to play one-handedly, it's something to be very proud of.

Discuss: What is your opinion on one-handed players, and if you are one, what is your own opinion on the way you play? Share one-hander stories in this thread, etc.

[Matrixdude]

Played with one hand for three months

Switched to index

Improved intensely

Played index for a year

Switched to spread

Improved intensely

Conclusion: Don't play one handed. It's NEVER going to get you insanely good scores and is frankly a waste of time if you're trying to improve your playing ability.


Also: Sure good one handers do deserve a lot of respect for doing well with something that limits their capabilities a ton but there's no way a good one hander could do better than a good spread player and that's just the bottom line.

[who_cares973]

Conclusion: Don't play one handed. It's NEVER going to get you insanely good scores and is frankly a waste of time if you're trying to improve your playing ability.

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if that doesnt convince you then

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learn to have dedication

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btw praising someone just because of their playing style is stupid. you wouldnt praise someone in a wheel chair because they want to be in a wheel chair would you? no
praise someone for their skills

[AlexDest]

One handed players should deserve some respect even if they're bad, they'll improve if they decide not to switch to spread or index.

[alloyus]

Agreed, wish I stuck with it (played for a little over a year), think it's really cool what some people can do.

[AlexDest]

Conclusion: Don't play one handed. It's NEVER going to get you insanely good scores and is frankly a waste of time if you're trying to improve your playing ability.


Also: Sure good one handers do deserve a lot of respect for doing well with something that limits their capabilities a ton but there's no way a good one hander could do better than a good spread player and that's just the bottom line.

how dumb are you

[OneHandNow]

lolol

"how can you even listen to that kind of music"

"it's the berzerker, it's the death metal.. blah blah"

haha i laughed at the end of the disregard video.

but yeah! look at my name. onehandnow :) i used to play one handed for 2-3 years until i realized those jumpstreams weren't possible :(

[irishknight]

but yeah! look at my name. onehandnow :) i used to play one handed for 2-3 years until i realized those jumpstreams weren't possible :(

yep.

[Sweagen]

btw praising someone just because of their playing style is stupid. you wouldnt praise someone in a wheel chair because they want to be in a wheel chair would you? no
praise someone for their skills

Actually I would, though that's probably just me...

I'd imagine that the dedication it would have to take to work through life with such a disability to be highly respectable. :)

[Matrixdude]

@wc You seem to have missed my point. Yes binary is a very very good one handed player, but what I was trying to get at is that a spread player could much more ably AAA those songs. For one handed I'm definitely very impressed with what those videos showed; however, they also prove my point as you can clearly witness the limitations that one hand can have. He didn't even come close to FCing ER or Disregard whereas a spread player has much more potential to do so.

So sorry if you think I sounded dumb when I said spread players don't have the limitations that one handed players face.

[who_cares973]

He didn't even come close to FCing ER or Disregard

you dont seem to realize how good those scores are or how hard those files are. his scores on those files are above what more than half the spread players are capable of

[ghost-]

meh I love playing one handed and will never, I mean never switch to anything else. I have gotten some pretty sick scores but none that would really aw anybody, because frankly, people are always looking for great scores in terms of spread, not any other style. I'm not worried about it though, as long as a few of my friends can recognize when I do something great, i'm happy.

[foxfire667]

you dont seem to realize how good those scores are or how hard those files are. his scores on those files are above what more than half the spread players are capable of

I think that they are refering to potential in regards to the setup, not about how good everyone in general is at the game. There are people that suck with all styles, there is no exception to this, what matters here is honestly the best scores that have been achieved with a particular style. I am going to say that, by far, that person is the BEST one handed player I have ever seen. With this said, I have seen far more intensive scores completed with spread, and better scores posted on songs such as MSWGO with spread.

On any genuinely hard song, pretty much at any given time, the best spread person will always top the best one handed person's ability to play the song. This is not because the one handed person has any less devotion or practice (if anything more devotion and possibly more years of playing) it is that the style itself limits the person from playing well enough to surpass the spread player.

If one handed was just as capable of a style as spread, then there would probably be a much more distributed community of players and seeing great people play one handed would be FAR more common. If you can find any one handed player that is better than some of the best spread Stepmania/FFR/kbo/etc players...I would personally love to meet them. Otherwise, Matrixdude's argument is quite valid.

I don't agree that learning one handed is a "waste of time", as improvement with one handed styles is definately possible, but as far as potential goes spread has generally shown itself to top one handed styles.

[LJRoX]

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the person playing piano in the background got an AAAA on their piece lol.

and i've played onehanded for like.. 5 years until i switched to spread.

[x_lambourghini_x]

Played with one hand for three months

Switched to index

Improved intensely

Played index for a year

Switched to spread

Improved intensely

Conclusion: Don't play one handed. It's NEVER going to get you insanely good scores and is frankly a waste of time if you're trying to improve your playing ability.


Also: Sure good one handers do deserve a lot of respect for doing well with something that limits their capabilities a ton but there's no way a good one hander could do better than a good spread player and that's just the bottom line.

Yeah, I heard about that and I actually tried spread and got too impatient so I play one-handed and I've gotten lots of FCs and AAAs but skill tokens are more annoying to get.

[Matrixdude]

you dont seem to realize how good those scores are or how hard those files are. his scores on those files are above what more than half the spread players are capable of

That's exactly what I'm saying! They're very good scores, better than I can do.

But if you look at the top spread players versus the top one handed players, there's no comparison, spread completely blows one handed out of the water and you can't argue with that.

I'm sorry I just truly don't see the point in playing one handed when it clearly hinders your ability to play well. Spread is definitely a better option than playing with one hand.

[LJRoX]

That's exactly what I'm saying! They're very good scores, better than I can do.

But if you look at the top spread players versus the top one handed players, there's no comparison, spread completely blows one handed out of the water and you can't argue with that.


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Um.. ok so what's your point now?

[Matrixdude]

Thanks, bud. That is my point, I don't think that if people want to get good at this game they should begin playing with one hand.

Foxfire hit the nail on the head with his post.

[LJRoX]

Thanks, bud. That is my point, I don't think that if people want to get good at this game they should begin playing with one hand.

Foxfire hit the nail on the head with his post.

Why not? Just let them play with one hand. Who are you to tell them that they shouldn't play one hand to get good?

[rushyrulz]

@ w_c vids: That's insanely good for being 1 handed, but that isn't what Matrixdude was saying..

Conclusion: Don't play one handed. It's NEVER going to get you insanely good scores and is frankly a waste of time if you're trying to improve your playing ability.

There's been way better Electro Rush scores, way better Disregard scores, way better MSWGO scores with spread, so clearly 1 hand is a disadvantage.

[DossarLX ODI]

Yeah while I wouldn't be able to come close to Bynary's scores one-handed, spread gives you a lot more flexibility on patterns. It also allows you to do patterns much faster (I've been able to hit good chunks of 360+ bpm 16th streams with decent patterns for example - one hand cannot come remotely close to doing this properly).

It really depends on what you want to do, though. If you want to play one-handed, nobody is stopping you from doing so. In fact, it's like me doing really fast rates while most of the community does MAish-type files and my scores not being noticed as much as the others posted since only a few players are able to see how good some of them really are (just like how I can't really appreciate MA scores as much as speed scores since my MA isn't that great so basically I'm forced to say any MA score is good haha).

[Redorigami]

If playing one handed made me a god I wouldn't have switched. I am slightly curious if I would have been better one handed if I had stuck with it and learned to read better speed mods and such, though.

It does limit you a lot, and it also makes the keyboard you use matter greatly (unless you're using four fingers, the positions and relations of the keys, especially up/down, can make or break you). It just puts in way too many variables to consistently produce good scores.

[MinaciousGrace]

one handers should all be lined up and shot

[LJRoX]

one handers should all be lined up and shot

rofl

[-Barista-]

So basically this same old argument.

The best one handed scores won't compare to the best spread scores.
An omfgamazingasm one handed score is just as impressive as an omfgamazingasm spread score.

So yea. Matrixdude and WC pretty much ended most of your arguments like 23234 posts ago.

[G.S.M]

I played one-handed for a year 1/2 or something like that and didn't play for a year after that. played a bit again

then ffr went down, started playing months ago again.

I always said to myself i would never switch but it was brutal on my one hand and I wanted a change. I am very comfortable with spread and i don't get pain in either hand. :)

one handed for me is too brutal if I play enough

[8 Hour Whore]

Well, I was a previous one hander for 4 years..
Helped me out in some things I wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
Majority of One Handed players tend to switch to Spread after they hit their peak.
I did as a one handed three finger player that played for 4-5years. I accomplished things that made me feel better. It may not be awesome to others but its more of a moral Victory. I, Redorigami, and Bynary Fission all played well as one handers and two of us ended up switching to Spread. Bynary is just gawd so he'll probably never switch. Anyways, to me it wasn't godly compared to spread just a lot more fun =]]

[Zageron]

You know... I probably would have started a thread like this a few years ago.

wait...


I dunno where anyone gets the idea that we're gods. We're generally terrible in comparison to even a mediocre spread player, and like stated earlier it takes a long time to get nowhere playing one handed.

I'm in with ghost- saying that it's mostly for the fun. I tried switching to spread over the summer last year and ended up switching back because songs started to get boring. One handing has a rhythmic pattern to it, that changes through every song. (The way you tap your fingers varies greatly, vs spread where you just chomp each finger down as a note goes by.)


Meh.

[Anakinstepwalker]

my opionion: anyone who plays onehanded is PRO! i dont understand how they do jump streams. its insane, but i have to say they can treal better than spread players lol.

[OneHandNow]

one handers should all be lined up and shot

shoot me babeh

[Zageron]

shoot me babeh
you dont one hand you hoe

[jwcgator]

disregard that, I suck cocks

Maybe I should actually watch the videos before I make comments, lol

[devonin]

The issue people have with this situation is when someone expects recognition outside the objective quality of their accomplishment because they've made the choice to impose a handicap on themselves.

It's the nature of games like this that your score is the primary metric of evaluation. The higher the score, the better your accomplishment is regarded. Getting a score which is exceptionally high is exceptional. Getting a score which is reasonably high because you chose to play inefficiently is still only reasonably impressive, and will get treated as such.

There's some degree of respect given for novelty in terms of handicapping yourself, but there's always an undertone of "Why would you bother?"

[nois-or-e]

I've always wondered dev. Did you ever migrate to spread when keymapping became available, or do you still use the arrow keys. afaik you are a 2-handed player due to some of your stat consistencies.

[/curiousity]

[korny]

I've always viewed myself as a god so I guess that makes sense.

[who_cares973]

The point I was trying to make is that you -can- get good scores one handed. Not that one handed play is as good as spread.

[korny]

Discuss: What is your opinion on one-handed players, and if you are one, what is your own opinion on the way you play? Share one-hander stories in this thread, etc.

There once was a story of a legendary one hander who was continually reaching new heights and setting a new boundary as to what could be done with one hand. One day, he had suddenly ascended to a point to where he knew he had truly become legendary. In hopes to retain his unparalleled status, he forged a plan to convince the community he had been apart of, that his attainment in skill had been done by the use and practive of an extra finger. This was all a hoax of course, for who could really play well with 4 fingers, but only he and those who had seen him play knew the truth; he was a god among men and was a divine one hander through and through. Years of persecution led him to become uninterested in the community he had once cherished and loved to compete within, so he no longer played competitively. To this day his skill remains elite, only bested by very few on select songs and they have been commended respectively.

[Reincarnate]

I echo Dev on this one. Yeah, it's impressive to pull off a tough song with one hand when obvious two hands would make it easier. But this is like saying that it's impressive to see someone finish a race in the top 30 with only one leg or something.

Yeah, it's great and all -- but you'd likely do much better using two hands if you're capable of doing well with one. At the very least, you'd obviously near-double your relative speed/stamina. When I see someone doing well with one-hand, I just have to ask myself why. You're not only limiting absolute performance ability, but you're also putting a lot of strain on just one hand.

Many players start out using one hand but they quickly figure out that they need to switch to two in order to better handle harder songs. Those players that don't figure this out or intentionally stick to one hand, in my mind, are plain silly.

[korny]

Playing one handed is all about the fun factor, and the skill you can achieve on top of that is where the satisfaction comes in. Nothing silly about it sir.

[leonid]

I used to be an one-handed bms player (very long ago)

This skill helps when you play such arcade games as IIDX or EZ2DJ (or... solo xdddddd)

[devonin]

I've always wondered dev. Did you ever migrate to spread when keymapping became available, or do you still use the arrow keys. afaik you are a 2-handed player due to some of your stat consistencies.

[/curiousity]

I started off like most people, One-Hand 3-Finger. Moved to "spread" by just using both hands on the arrow keys and later swapped for left/down/8/6, sucked hard with spread for about 3 weeks, and then got substantially better than when I was playing one-handed.

With keymapping, I play a/s/j/k now.

[Wineandbread]

A lot of people start as one-handers because they don't know any better. This is the assumption that I operated under for a time before encountering index and spread styles on FFR forums. It may or may not come as a natural tendency due to right/left hand dominance and improved dexterity of that hand, assuming you don't play pianers or other instruments; it's just a guess though.

There are people who are just stubborn and refuse to switch to spread. I know that I was opposed to switching styles for the longest time because of the initial skill reduction that I faced. I also just found one handed style to be more fun than index and spread at the time.

Gods? Far from it.

[rushyrulz]

Playing one handed is all about the fun factor, and the skill you can achieve on top of that is where the satisfaction comes in. Nothing silly about it sir.

Sooo, you can't have fun playing spread then? Seems like it would be harder to have fun when you're struggling on some of the most fun files in the game that happen to be 10-12s.

[Arch0wl]

From what I've found, playstyles with more variables required are also the more rewarding styles to play. KB7, solo, SpaceIOP and index have a much higher learning curve than spread, yet even when I'm placing on the higher ranks of a song I still find spread somewhat empty to play because it feels so "closed" compared to the four aforementioned styles of play.

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

In terms of respect:

A One Hander that can AAA an 8 or higher is better than a D4 spread player in my book.
An Index player who can AAA a low 10 is better than a d4 spread player.
A Spread player who can AAA a Fgo is better than the previous 2 players.
A Split (Yes there's still a few left) is only slightly more respectable than an average spread player.

I've actually tried all of these styles (I'm only/was good at two of them.) They all have parts that make it useful to know the others. But one handers are easily the most respectable - simply because of how hard it is.

[korny]

Sooo, you can't have fun playing spread then? Seems like it would be harder to have fun when you're struggling on some of the most fun files in the game that happen to be 10-12s.

From the beginning the initial fun factor derived from the positioning of ones hand and the constant repositioning to adjust to the corresponding pattern and keeping up with it never faltering. To answer your other question, yes, I have fun getting getting 14 goods on ketzarku mozgalom or however the **** it's spelled. I wouldn't call that struggling as much as I would call it beasting. I have for a while been better than most spread players as a majority.

[SK8R43]

Using one hand is fun! Didn't bother reading ALL the posts, and id say that its possible to get really good at one hand just like it is spread. Sure it might be impossible to do some songs in the game but still i love it! I have no intension of ever switching either, so i will either get really good or end up quiting at one point. lol
But anyways YES, one handers are god in the FFR world if you can get good enough to be able to AAA over an 8. -_-

[potter_rocks_out_loud]

Played one handed for about 3 years, got like 85 fc's, and maybe 10 AAA's.
Switched to two hands in 2007-8 turnover approx, improved a good bit. Pretty sure I've reached my limit now,
I can't play spread for shit. So idk if I'll ever get better...

[justin_ator]

I personally think the hierarchy of respect should be as follows:
(top)
Elite Players. - One Hand, then spread.
Great Players. - One Hand, then spread.
Good Players. - One Hand, then spread.
Okay Players. - One Hand, then spread.
Noobs. - One Hand, then spread.
Pathetic Players. - One Hand, then spread.

I would say that a one handed player should only really get about as much respect and reverence as a spread player of that same skill level, because they aren't up to par with the next group, yet have overcome obstacles to get where they are at. Playing one handed is an impressive feat in my opinion, but I'm not going to give a D5 one hander the same respect as a D6 spread player, simply because the D6 player has more skill. If we had a top player AAA'ing FGO's one handed, they would, in my book, be more worthy of praise than our other top players.

If you suck one handed, you don't deserve to be praised any more than your skill level permits in my opinion. And it isn't any different for scroll rates or directions either.

From my observations, typically spread players do hold all the records out there other than specific "one-handed records." If I'm wrong, correct me please.

[virus003]

I personally think the hierarchy of respect should be as follows:
(top)
Elite Players. - One Hand, then spread.
Great Players. - One Hand, then spread.
Good Players. - One Hand, then spread.
Okay Players. - One Hand, then spread.
Noobs. - One Hand, then spread.
Pathetic Players. - One Hand, then spread.

I would say that a one handed player should only really get about as much respect and reverence as a spread player of that same skill level, because they aren't up to par with the next group, yet have overcome obstacles to get where they are at. Playing one handed is an impressive feat in my opinion, but I'm not going to give a D5 one hander the same respect as a D6 spread player, simply because the D6 player has more skill. If we had a top player AAA'ing FGO's one handed, they would, in my book, be more worthy of praise than our other top players.

If you suck one handed, you don't deserve to be praised any more than your skill level permits in my opinion. And it isn't any different for scroll rates or directions either.

From my observations, typically spread players do hold all the records out there other than specific "one-handed records." If I'm wrong, correct me please.

how open minded you must be

here's your opinion

everyone switches to spread

that's not the case with everyone, people who play one handed still either want to keep everything original like this game used to be, or they actually like setting themselves up for a challenge, don't assume so much

but you are right that people who play one handed don't deserve more respect than spread players, who honestly cares? people choose their own style

[Sweet_Feet]

Impressive one hand scores obviously deserve a lot of respect but they'll never achieve as much as a spread player potentially could. Handers obviously know this and they might not even care which is fine.

It's all up to the player, what they want and what works best for them. One handed play (in my opinion) looks way cooler than spread even though they're not getting the scores of a really skilled spread player.

Are they gods in the FFR world though? Not a chance, then again, maybe that's just my personal opinion again. The interpretation of gods is gonna vary from player to player so continue..

[justin_ator]

how open minded you must be

Wow, how totally confused you must be.

I never said anything about switching, I never said anyone couldn't enjoy their style..

Summary of my post:
One handers don't deserve more respect than spread players that play better. I was stating my opinion based on the title and theme of this thread.

I know everyone chooses their own style, that's what makes the game fun.

EDIT: I'm not in any way putting one-handers down, you guys are great.

[GG_Guru]

I used to be a one hander but It was extremely hard to PA songs with high difficutly levels so that's one of the main reasons why people tend to switch to spread. Don't get me wrong though, it is an admirable feat to be noticed as an outstanding one hander but there's just no way you can become a top ranked player like that.

I played with two fingers back then. (Wrecked my ring finger in a basketball accident lol) And I sucked so bad that I had to cut the video short before it got to the hard part.
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[korny]

Everyone knows takecore of yourself is like the easiest VC bro.

[ghost-]

SO THIS IS THE ENTIRE THREAD:


One handers are certainly more respectable considering, but will never be as good as a spread player could ultimately be.

Spread players will always be better in the long run.

As long as the person playing the style is happy, who really gives a shit?

Play what you want, people will base their opinions on your scores depending what style you play. - My opinion

[TheNoSoMan]

Bar is to No-Bar as Spread/Index is to One-Handed

That may be a loose analogy if you take it into consideration.