Unofficial Team Tourney Discussion Thread

[Oni-Paranoia]

Discussion Thread
Yep, title says it all. Feel free to throw out your ideas on how this Team Tourney should and will work.

Tourney Starting Date - February 27th or March 1st

Organizers, helpers, updaters etc...
Oni-Paranoia (Xmod player)
All team leaders/founders
Post if you want to help

There are 4 Teams to participate in this Tourney.

Black
Chaos
Red
Blue


Ive come to the decision to use multiple FFR related events instead of just a regular tourney. So event ideas that require anything and everything of FFR.
Another decision, each event (if more than one) will accumulate overall points and/or event wins to tally in at the end.

Ideas
Free-for-All Tourney - Just like any regular tourney using players from Teams only. 4 Divisions only, not 5.

Showdown - 30 players from all teams play ONE song and there scores are added up, highest score wins. (this does put Black into a disadvantage) Number will vary throughout time

Kongregate?? - Not sure if anyone rly feels like making this seem look like one of Rubix's flash tourney things.

FFR Trivia/Scavenger hunt?? - This is only for players, not leaders. Questions about the past and present of FFR relating to anything that can be found.

Point System Tourney - Players must pass a challenge, players that pass that challenge score points for there team. (Ex. 32 avgs on Excite Bike) [Minacious]

Mash Round - Players mash a selected song, most boos wins. (Team Effort)

[B]Attack!! - Players play using FFR mods (theres only like 3 that cant be multiple selected so this pisses me off). i.e. Rose with Dizzy [GG_Guru]

Anti-Pa tourney - Players aim for getting Averages and Goods rather than perfects. Each timing grade scores them a certain anount of points. Most accumulative points for the team wins. [kjwkjw]

Currently using all above ideas excluding Kongregate

Throw out your ideas!!!

[badman7772]

I'd say probably do it Survivor style like Jteh and JugglingGuy did. Reward challenges involving Kongregate or the 1st person to correctly answer one of the FFR trivia questions.

I'd say more but I don't wanna steal any other ideas.

[HighAndr0id]

team split tourny

[Quigly]

I'm all for the free-for-all and showdown ones. Not really sure about the last two but that's just cause I'm not not into those types of things.

Oh and I can't wait for an event to start. It's going to be oodles of fun. =D

[MinaciousGrace]

i dont like the idea of kong, or divisions, or a conventional style tournament

Imo each round should consist of a unique event where some sort of goal is to be achieved by the participants (ex. 32 avs on excite bike), and for each member of a team attaining this goal a point is scored for that particular team. Weight points according to difficulty of event etc etc team with highest points at the end wins.

also could change it up and award higher points for closest to achieve a goal in the event nobody does or reward the fastest to post for a certain event etc etc

ps. yiff yiff

[kjwkjw]

The point system tourney sounds like a really good idea. That way, even people who can't AAA FMO's, etc. can participate in a part of the tournament.

[HammyMcSquirrel]

Free-for-all Tournament sounds good. Kongregate sounds like it could work out fine. (Flash games in general.) FFR Trivia...I suppose that could work out, but it probably shouldn't be the entire round within a team tournament. (That is, if all of these ideas are going to be incorporated in to one team tournament.) But yeah, it could be made to work out I'm sure.

I'm not too sure about Showdown. Team Red lacks in number, so it would have to be lower than 30 if you want to involve all of the teams fairly. Problem is, if we make it something lower so that all teams can have enough players for, Team Black will have a ridiculous advantage.

I understand that each team will have advantages in some aspects, but I would prefer that any tournament modes we engage in would keep advantages at a minimal level with equal participation. (I know the advantages wouldn't be balanced within the master division of the free-for-all tournasment, but when you look at the tournament as a whole, the advantages are balanced.)

The way I can see Showdown working well is if you took a few people from each division on each team. (Instead of just being able to select the 30 best or whatever. I know that wasn't implied, but I'm just pointing it out.) Problem is, you can't really do that with Team Black or Team Red and have it mix well with the other teams. (Team Black because your team is pure master/expert players and Team Red because they are lacking in the expert+ players.) Basically, I don't see Showdown completely working right away with the teams in their current state. Team Chaos, Team Blue, and Team Black could probably do it with just a few expert and master players each, though.

Edit: Yeah, a point system would be a good idea.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Run like a normal tour, but have like each team chooses like X amount of people to represent in a divsion. Like Say team Blue chooses 5 beg, inter, adv. etc to represent that them in the tourn. But teams like Chaos and Black pick like 5-10 people from their team since they are more to one division.

I think I just made this sound really confusing. XD

[Bolth mannn]

how exactly will this tourny work...will it be something like last player in each team that is left wins? but that probs wouldnt work because then we'd be turning against each other...so im guessing your going different rounsd, and biggest scoring team wins...so in that case...

i hate min, but i like her idea about tough scores on different songs, like av-flags, 32 ave on excite bike...all goods on synthlight, and other things like that. that could probably work.

i dont really know how trivia would work, cause you cant really work as a team to answer those...

uhmm, how bout a mash round...most boos on a certain song or something, above 200 boos = 1 point, 300 boos, 2 point etc. (dont get mad at me causse i suggested mashing im just throwing out ideas) and the top 10 people in each team (boo-wise) would have their scores counted.

uhmm i cant really think of anything else roundwise...to make things even,it would really depend on what the round was. if it was anything to do with FFR and you decided to go with mins idea, you could make it a different task for each team (harder task for black, etc)

thats all i can think of atm

[Quigly]

Run like a normal tour, but have like each team chooses like X amount of people to represent in a divsion. Like Say team Blue chooses 5 beg, inter, adv. etc to represent that them in the tourn. But teams like Chaos and Black pick like 5-10 people from their team since they are more to one division.

I think I just made this sound really confusing. XD

I actually really like this idea, it adds more strategy to the tournament this way.

[norsegod666]

A Scavenger Hunt for different things FFR related? This would take a bit of setting up but it would be fair for all teams.

[Bolth mannn]

PS: can team red with green polkadots particiapate too?

[DJAirWave]

A Scavenger Hunt for different things FFR related? This would take a bit of setting up but it would be fair for all teams.

There have been to many of those already.

[kjwkjw]

There has been a successful anti-PA tournament in the past... how about a team anti-PA tourney? (There can be... say, about 5 people from each team participating in each round. They all play the same song, and going by 2 points per average, 1 point per good, or something like that, the team with the highest cumulative total gets 6 Grade Points, 2nd highest total gets 4, and so on. The entire tournament can consist of about 8 rounds, after which the team with the most Grade Points will win)

EDIT: Or maybe we can go by the in-game score (the score at the bottom of the screen when playing a song), and the team with the lowest cumulative total gets 6 Grade Points for that round, etc. (They must all pass the song, of course)

[reptile3141]

I'm not a fan of free-for-all tournaments AT ALL. The point system tourny seems best to me.

[Oni-Paranoia]

Free-for-all Tournament sounds good. Kongregate sounds like it could work out fine. (Flash games in general.) FFR Trivia...I suppose that could work out, but it probably shouldn't be the entire round within a team tournament. (That is, if all of these ideas are going to be incorporated in to one team tournament.) But yeah, it could be made to work out I'm sure.

I'm not too sure about Showdown. Team Red lacks in number, so it would have to be lower than 30 if you want to involve all of the teams fairly. Problem is, if we make it something lower so that all teams can have enough players for, Team Black will have a ridiculous advantage.

I understand that each team will have advantages in some aspects, but I would prefer that any tournament modes we engage in would keep advantages at a minimal level with equal participation. (I know the advantages wouldn't be balanced within the master division of the free-for-all tournasment, but when you look at the tournament as a whole, the advantages are balanced.)

The way I can see Showdown working well is if you took a few people from each division on each team. (Instead of just being able to select the 30 best or whatever. I know that wasn't implied, but I'm just pointing it out.) Problem is, you can't really do that with Team Black or Team Red and have it mix well with the other teams. (Team Black because your team is pure master/expert players and Team Red because they are lacking in the expert+ players.) Basically, I don't see Showdown completely working right away with the teams in their current state. Team Chaos, Team Blue, and Team Black could probably do it with just a few expert and master players each, though.

Edit: Yeah, a point system would be a good idea.

The free-for-all works because its not a team effort.
Showdown was thought up fairly quickly and was supposed to give a disadvantage in amount to team Black purposely. But I do see the random choice of players are something similar working fairly.

Run like a normal tour, but have like each team chooses like X amount of people to represent in a divsion. Like Say team Blue chooses 5 beg, inter, adv. etc to represent that them in the tourn. But teams like Chaos and Black pick like 5-10 people from their team since they are more to one division.

I think I just made this sound really confusing. XD

Yea, I have no idea what you mean =P


how exactly will this tourny work...will it be something like last player in each team that is left wins? but that probs wouldnt work because then we'd be turning against each other...so im guessing your going different rounsd, and biggest scoring team wins...so in that case...

i hate min, but i like her idea about tough scores on different songs, like av-flags, 32 ave on excite bike...all goods on synthlight, and other things like that. that could probably work.

i dont really know how trivia would work, cause you cant really work as a team to answer those...

uhmm, how bout a mash round...most boos on a certain song or something, above 200 boos = 1 point, 300 boos, 2 point etc. (dont get mad at me causse i suggested mashing im just throwing out ideas) and the top 10 people in each team (boo-wise) would have their scores counted.

uhmm i cant really think of anything else roundwise...to make things even,it would really depend on what the round was. if it was anything to do with FFR and you decided to go with mins idea, you could make it a different task for each team (harder task for black, etc)

thats all i can think of atm

This tourney needs to include all team members and teams one way or another, so thats why i want it to be multiple events if so.
Id never make any of you play a Synthlight file.
Mash round would me difficult.. vibrators + RATO = Pwnt so it would have to be like a FMO or something difficult to mash.

No, There is no reason to go harder on Team Black. It was the last team made. Not my fault I just happen to be a good leader and recruit amazing players with the help of my fellow companions. It was fair.

A Scavenger Hunt for different things FFR related? This would take a bit of setting up but it would be fair for all teams.

This could be a blend of the Trivia. i.e. When did the first skill token ever come out??

[GG_Guru]

Here's an idea: Each player has to play a song using settings such as Dizzy, Tornado, Hidden, Sudden, Stealth, etc.

You can also have each team play on alternate arrow mode or sideways (left/right)? To produce more of a challenge.

[HammyMcSquirrel]

The free-for-all works because its not a team effort.
Well, it depends on how you look at it. If you're thinking about doing it where the last person in each division wins that division for their team, then yes, it really isn't much of a team effort. If you're thinking about doing it similar to how I mentioned it in this post (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=2966447&postcount=216), (where you have a team score per round and the team with the most "round wins" wins) then it can be more of a team effort. I have no preference at this time.

[Oni-Paranoia]

Well, it depends on how you look at it. If you're thinking about doing it where the last person in each division wins that division for their team, then yes, it really isn't much of a team effort. If you're thinking about doing it similar to how I mentioned it in this post (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=2966447&postcount=216), (where you have a team score per round and the team with the most "round wins" wins) then it can be more of a team effort. I have no preference at this time.

I get it now. i.e
10 players in 5 divisions (each).
First Round is GGC for Masters.
All masters on the same team add up there score.
Highest score achieved in that round makes the team win and so forth.

But this strictly puts a disadvantage to Team Black. Since the only legit place to place any team Black member is in 'Masters' therefore each round they only have a chance of winning for that section when clearly other teams can compete in all other rounds.

Im looking at it as a division round win though.. because if its just score OVERALL, masters have the upper hand on harder songs, more steps etc...

Rly don't know how this is going to work atm.

[kjwkjw]

Still waiting for what you guys think about an anti-PA tournament.
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?p=2973125#post2973088

[MinaciousGrace]

just pointing out choosing representatives of a team to participate in a tournament and leaving out the other players sort of defeats the entire purpose of having a team in the first place

[Oni-Paranoia]

Still waiting for what you guys think about an anti-PA tournament.
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?p=2973125#post2973088

didnt notice lol anyways

Im all for it as being part of the tourney

just pointing out choosing representatives of a team to participate in a tournament and leaving out the other players sort of defeats the entire purpose of having a team in the first place

rotating players is another thing. 10 are selected for one thing, 10 more for another etc..

[giganutsauce]

whatever you guys decide to do, hurry up so I can release my album rofl (I added 12 super secret tracks that I'll never release unless I release my discog (that'll never happen (hey look three parenthesis)))

[dooty_7]

The point system one could be cool, it could be something like 3 new challenges released every day and if your team is the first to complete one, then you get say 4 points, 2nd team to complete it gets 3 points and so on. The challenges can stay open for the entirety of the tournament, or until all four teams have completed them.

[darkshark]

I like the idea of having a Team Black Wins style tournament...you know...the kind where Team Black wins.




I like the idea of random challenges and anti-PA, because it gives everyone a fair chance. Don't do most boo's, I would win.

[Oni-Paranoia]

whatever you guys decide to do, hurry up so I can release my album rofl (I added 12 super secret tracks that I'll never release unless I release my discog (that'll never happen (hey look three parenthesis)))

You are awesome, send me my OP =(
This might take awhile

The point system one could be cool, it could be something like 3 new challenges released every day and if your team is the first to complete one, then you get say 4 points, 2nd team to complete it gets 3 points and so on. The challenges can stay open for the entirety of the tournament, or until all four teams have completed them.

Thats a possibility

I like the idea of having a Team Black Wins style tournament...you know...the kind where Team Black wins.

I like the idea of random challenges and anti-PA, because it gives everyone a fair chance. Don't do most boo's, I would win.

I liked the idea too, but everyone complained b!tched and whined about the awesome players =P

Define Random challenges

[#Number]

Oni, the ideas are great, my team will gladly participate in the events. Please tell me if any further information is given on my profile, pm, or forums.

Ps. Anyone wanna make a Team Alliance?

[8 Hour Whore]

I thought it was the actual Tourney before I read the front page..
GAh! This thing needs to hurry up.. The front pages idea's are simply amazing. All are great idea's and if they're all put into one tourney oh hell I'd be happy to help out in anyway possible.

[xBBx Takedown]

Free-For-All tourney FTW!

[Oni-Paranoia]

Oni, the ideas are great, my team will gladly participate in the events. Please tell me if any further information is given on my profile, pm, or forums.


Will do, ill probably ask you for help with updating along with the other team leaders.

I thought it was the actual Tourney before I read the front page..
GAh! This thing needs to hurry up.. The front pages idea's are simply amazing. All are great idea's and if they're all put into one tourney oh hell I'd be happy to help out in anyway possible.

It says discussion in the thread title, and pretty much im running this alone atm until the ideas are solid. Then ill start asking some trusty ppl to help out with updates and stuff, since I do have a life outside of FFR and this weekend will be very busy for me.

[Oni-Paranoia]

Placed tourney start date, going to need help organizing updating, post if you want to help

[justin_ator]

Really you could do something along the lines of a grand total points earned in a period type thing. Like each team could compete to see who could accumulate the most points in however long. But the numbers might get rather high.

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

I think using the free for all with maybe the anitPA and Mash rounds every 2-3 rounds would be a good idea.

[Oni-Paranoia]

Really you could do something along the lines of a grand total points earned in a period type thing. Like each team could compete to see who could accumulate the most points in however long. But the numbers might get rather high.

Uneven amount of players gives an advantage to the team with more players such as team Blue. Also, I dont think many ppl will want to whore FFR.

I think using the free for all with maybe the anitPA and Mash rounds every 2-3 rounds would be a good idea.

All events will run simultaneously

[justin_ator]

All events will run simultaneously

Mass chaos. But uber fun.

[Oni-Paranoia]

Mass chaos. But uber fun.

Mass updating, Mass work, Mass organizing etc etc

[irionman]

is it ever going to happen?

[MetalAtlas]

so were waiting for a rebellion of some sorts? lol

[TC_llama499]

lets get this **** going.

[FN_lurker]

team facehead was not informed of this tournament
on behalf of the entire team, i request an invitation

[FN_solometr1x]

team facehead is the only team that is actually capable enough to defeat team black atm

[JenovaSephiroth]

team facehead was not informed of this tournament
on behalf of the entire team, i request an invitation

Should I say this the direct way or the nice way

I'll go with both:

Can you provide a reason as to why your team should be taken seriously? Sure, it has members, but what does the first post of your team's topic have? The OP has only one post, and hasn't posted since, and it says already that your original 'leader' is an impostor. There's no information about the team, nor does it show what the Ventrilo server is. Just some things to think about.

[GG_Guru]

A lot of people are getting impatient.

[FN_dana]

Should I say this the direct way or the nice way

I'll go with both:

Can you provide a reason as to why your team should be taken seriously? Sure, it has members, but what does the first post of your team's topic have? The OP has only one post, and hasn't posted since, and it says already that your original 'leader' is an impostor. There's no information about the team, nor does it show what the Ventrilo server is. Just some things to think about.

Here are some things for yourself to think about, perhaps while taking your daily bubble bath:

1. Post count is meaningless. The highest post count is currently held by one Tasselfoot, who seems to be a talentless hack incapable of maintaining his AAA on even the simplest of jumpstreams. All Team FaceHead business is generally handled offsite, since these forums are bland and tasteless to the majority of our members.

2. Our original leader, FN_whois, was banned for incalculacable reasons. I talked to him earlier and he decided to hand control over to me. There is no shame in this, at least as far as I can see.

3. You have not responded to my claim that I defeated you on Proud Mode.

4. Our Ventrilo server is hosted by one of our officers, FN_reach. He did not want to freely give out his IP address, so I removed the server information from my post. If any prospective members would like to talk to us to get more information of what we are about, please send a PM to FN_reach and ask if he is willing to give out his server information.


I do not wish to create a scene here, however, so please do not respond to these points and distract even further from the ultimate goal: a multiteam tournament.

[#Number]

If anyone plans on joining a Team you can Join Team Red the easiest we have no qualifications, its fine if you do not want to join our team though. Here (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?t=105266)

[TK_unreal]

I'm sorry, but there is no need for another team. Sure the idea is great, but there are so many other teams out there you could just try and join one. IF you cant join one from lack of skill, then why make one?

Your only going to make this team hated on. I only decided to make TK come back because it used to be THE team to be on back in the day.

It's not only me that has this thought, just look at your own thread. This is a waste of time.

[Vuture]

I know I'm not on any team so maybe I'm out of place to say this (Not really, I plan to be a part of the new 3rd party site that will help plan things like these so...lol) aren't there only like 4 or 5 active teams? With about 34,000 active FFR players, that's not alot of teams.

[Oni-Paranoia]

team facehead was not informed of this tournament
on behalf of the entire team, i request an invitation

Team Facehead isn't participating in this because this Tourney was devised during the "Mass Recruiting" week.

Also I already started organizing this for 4 teams and so team Black doesnt dominate completely. But even so, this is FFR and its not my fault that the team i happen to "lead" is fu*king amazing at FFR.

Tourney starts March 1st as of now.

Still free for ideas.

[tangomango]

I know I'm not on any team so maybe I'm out of place to say this (Not really, I plan to be a part of the new 3rd party site that will help plan things like these so...lol) aren't there only like 4 or 5 active teams? With about 34,000 active FFR players, that's not alot of teams.

Actually, to be honest, it's more like 400 active players at most. Plus, not all of those people joined a team, which explains why there are only 4/5 teams.

[TC_llama499]

Team Facehead isn't participating in this because this Tourney was devised during the "Mass Recruiting" week.

Also I already started organizing this for 4 teams and so team Black doesnt dominate completely. But even so, this is FFR and its not my fault that the team i happen to "lead" is fu*king amazing at FFR.

Tourney starts March 1st as of now.

Still free for ideas.

going out of state 4-8th o well

[Vuture]

Actually, to be honest, it's more like 400 active players at most. Plus, not all of those people joined a team, which explains why there are only 4/5 teams.

I was going by the stastics on the forums front page. It says about 37,000 active members now. And by active I mean who play FFR, not nessarily active in the community.

[TK_unreal]

That doesn't mean they are active in MP in any way. It only states they just play or are active in the forums.

Around half of these ppl who are active don't play for competition or any means nessicary to the site. They only play to get better and have fun. What we need is community, and as Tango said, ''it's more like 400 active players at most.'', he's absolutely right.

[FN_lurker]

for respect of this thread (which apparently no one other than me, dana, and jenova have) please go to the team facehead recruit thread for further discussion of this issue

[Oni-Paranoia]

Tourney date might have to be pushed back due to... Ill explain that after im 100% sure. But right now there is a BIG issue involving me.. More details later on

No i don't wanna push this back but no choice IF this issue isnt fixed.

[garyiscool]

There have been to many of those already.

too many