TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

you guys sghould be pressure voting more

[thesunfan]

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I asked Pete to figure out what was wrong with votecount based on what u said choof and it broke it.

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

like vote often keep voting dont keep your vote secret and safe, as a town you want to be voting constantly on day 1

[Curry and Rice]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

you guys sghould be pressure voting more

Vendetta21

[Vendetta21]

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DaBackpack

[Vendetta21]

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Vendetta21

yes this is how u do it

[Curry and Rice]

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This is just a long way of saying that it seems like you're bullshitting and making posts for the sake of making posts.

Please feel free to point out such posts.

[Red Blaster]

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mashiiiiii

[Red Blaster]

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With this post, earlier on you had listed zenith and red as two of your suspects, and then when red posted a big wall of quotes all you did was cherrypick the statement he directed at you and ignored everything else, eventually posting this instead. If red was a top candidate of yours, I feel like your read on him would have either been strengthened or revised in response to his big post. You were given more information to work with to build your perspective, but you decided to pursue dap's point about the IC, something which seems "easy" and a good way to comment/post without actually getting your hands dirty.

I totally didn't even catch that.
Good points.

[choof]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

choof's reads themselves don't come across as contrived or falsehoods but putting in that much effort this early on seems scummy. Choof is a wise player, and it reminds me of how sunfan gave out townreads last game because "wolves usually don't put much effort in d1." Effortposting and looking like you're trying to solve the game right from the get-go is a great way to appear human, and I think scum choof (who would have a greater stake in impression management) would be more likely to make that post at this point in time than town choof. I'm not ready to call him scum, but I'm going to be paying close attention.

you know my wolf game and my town game
i feel like there's now enough content to do some deep reading

maybe this is one of the earliest games i've gone hard in, maybe i'll keep making my big read posts closer and closer to game start until finally i reach a negative amount of seconds and have to play the game in signup threads

[choof]

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unvote

beddo, pce

[Curry and Rice]

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Why go through this much thought and explanation if you're assuming blind was BSing like everybody else was? "If you're telling the truth then that's bad and here's why! But you're not telling the truth so none of that matters anyways." Doesn't seem to suit any purpose.

Because I was asking for an explanation and providing explanation of my own for such a purpose. Assumptions don't provide definitive answers (hence the definition). Also note the usage of "assuming/hoping."

Here you ask V why he was reading me as the SK, and then you quote his answer but still decide to post the initial question anyways. That strikes me as asking questions without caring about the answers because if you cared about the answers then you'd already have deduced it and wouldn't have asked the first question in the first place.

During the time I was making that post, I was going through the thread and quoting any post that caught my eye.

Gesturing without following through.

That was a joke. Even if it weren't, it is a statement in and of itself. There's no "without following through" because it is a standalone expression (or, rather, would be).

With this post, earlier on you had listed zenith and red as two of your suspects

No, I never did that, or said something immediately indicative of such.

Nevertheless, I didn't say I outright suspected you; merely that I have my eye on you, given the content of your posts.

and then when red posted a big wall of quotes all you did was cherrypick the statement he directed at you and ignored everything else

Please explain? There is no "big wall of quotes" from Red with statements directed at me that I responded to. I'm assuming you're talking about the unrelated post above mine (neither of which you quoted), hence why I didn't respond to it (because it was irrelevant to the situation, keep in mind the content of my post in question). Nonetheless, it seems as if you're the only one cherrypicking here, as you completely ignored the above quote from me- something which would have directly answered several of your concerns.

If red was a top candidate of yours

If you're going that route, I'm just going to poke these quotes from me and say that, according to you, Zenith would be a top candidate of mine, not Red (though, keep in mind that a "consideration" or "person to keep an eye on" is different from a "suspicion").

Secondly, I have my eye on Red Blaster and Zenith right now. I think a few of their earlier posts are a bit strange (a little less so on Red Blaster).

Because at least I have a precedent on Red Blaster- you, less so.

I feel like your read on him would have either been strengthened or revised in response to his big post. You were given more information to work with to build your perspective, but you decided to pursue dap's point about the IC, something which seems "easy" and a good way to comment/post without actually getting your hands dirty.

Most of the content in the post was joking content, and the rest of it was irrelevant to the situation, hence why there was no reason to respond to it (any response wouldn't really accomplish anything, given the content of the post and the way the content was stated), and would likely have you complaining about me irrelevantly posting. :V

My post in response to DaBackpack was only questioning him because I thought he left his statement incomplete, with something else to add.

[Charles Claythorne]

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wow excuse me you guys, i thought posting huge quote posts was my thing qq

just for that, im going to make my own huge quote post!!!!!!!!!

maybe l8r tho

[Charles Claythorne]

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jk i already finished making one!!!

that or i can read the thread and type and form reads at near light speed or something because time dilation

Wait wait wait if you're serious why would you do that? With an Innocent Child role, unless there are two doctors (and maybe even if there are...), one of you is going to die during Night. If you're the one that's hit, then your mason partner can't really make a believable claim (and you run the risk of a wolf claiming mason instead), which will hurt the humans later down the line.

I'm assuming/hoping you're not serious.

Also, hi Mashi!

Slight Human lean for this. The concern from this post seems too imply a bit of gullibility (no offense intended), whereas I would expect a bit more caution from a Wolf who's seen a Mason claim.

*idiot reading thread* this roundbox fella, he's very smart. He states things with percentages. That makes them feel very accurate.

Didn't really like the few pages of posting regarding roundbox's '95%' post. It wasn't really anything worth discussing and was a null tell at best. Scrutinising it didn't lead to anything major. I would expect Vendetta21 to realise this, but meh, he might have just been messing around still at that point. I would like to see some of your serious reads with reasoning at this point though.

Like I'm gonna give Nydus the benefit of the doubt and everything, it's just that being added to a game where everybody is learning of your existence for the first time seems like such a prime opportunity to pretend to be something you're not and get away with it. It's like when in an anonymous game somebody pretends to be j-rodd.

Plop's analysis of Nydus originally confused me a bit and I first thought it was a null tell, but I've been ruminating over it a bit and now that I look back at it again, I think it comes from a Human mindset. A Wolf or Serial Killer doesn't need to care much about an Innocent Child, so analysing their behaviour is an unfruitful effort. I could see an argument made that it could be an attempt to appear like contributing without actually contributing anything with substance, but having seen Plop's performances a few times in the past, I don't put it past him to being able to make up reasonable thoughts on Players for his share of contributions. So I have a slight Human lean on him.

If this is the reason why a lynch on me is on a higher priority than anyone else, then you should very much reconsider.

I don't find that a valid enough reason to lynch anyone. Usually an action or thought that was artificial and any other wolf worthy readable notions warrant a lynch for town orientated reasons. You should pick a more solid reason if you're going to push a lynch on me.

The tone of this post reminds me of how Zenith acted in the previous jTWG I played with him, where he was a Wolf. In the game, he initially tried to rationalise a lynch against him before responding to Funnygurl a bit indignantly. That said, I think that jTWG is the only game I've played with Zenith, so I'm not feeling confident regarding the meta, but I thought it would be worth pointing out.

Well one time me and plop played a game as v/v and we played another as w/w, and then another as PR/PR, so to continue the pattern I think it only makes sense here that he is SK.

i just want to say that i 100% would expect vendetta21 to joke like this as a serial killer so if hes serial killer and we lynch him or find out in post game im going to show off knowing day 0 even if i never actually affirm this okay

D0 brings the worst out in me, especially when random fucking people have suspicion towards me for trying to get some data point started. Seriously I'm irate.

Yeah, this is reminding me of the jTWG still. My forum on LLF used to have (well, it still does, but we've curbed it) an issue where the same group of Players tended to be lynched early and I can sympathise with Zenith, so I'm willing to let him get a freebie Day 0. He's been active so far and hasn't done anything that's caught my eye as suspicious aside from the meta-read to the jTWG, so I'm not really that suspicious of him anyway.

not sure i like mashi but then again i don't remember the last time i played a forum game with him

Why don't you like me? Because I haven't posted much thus far? Do you have any examples where I've ever played differently than having my activity and post count rate climb as the game continues?

Regarding choof's big post; you mention that Manti, reuben_tate, and I are coasting. Yet the game had going on for less than 24 hours at that point. Aside from the point that coasting (in my experience) is used to describe a trend for a majority of the game and not just Day 0, why are you applying it when not even 1/3 of Day 0 has passed?

You brought up a post of mine stating you thought it was worth looking at, but what do you take from the post? Do you find it suspicious? That it makes me look Human?

You say that you think Vendetta21 is most likely Human for putting pressure on people, yet you qualify your statement saying someone more familiar with him should provide one's own read. In that case, why are you so confident that Vendetta21 is Human?

I like Chariplop's (I forgot your nickname for a bit, hehe) recent contributions in the thread. I disagree with your interpretation of Curry and Rice's posts however, because I think you're seeing his tone as indifferent. But I think he's more poking around and just trying to get opinions from people or just generally trying to provide input. Such as in his post in response to blindreper's false claim as Mason, it came off to me that Curry and Rice was legitimately worried that blindreper may have made a dumb play rather than absolutely certain that it was a joke. If a Wolf had made the post, I would find it likelier for there to have been a larger expression of doubt regarding the claim in the post.


choof for now. After his recent big post, I feel like some of his Human leans come around too easily (and he qualifies them with Devil's Advocate, which, while a useful tool, comes to me as artificial and trying to allow for an 'acceptable' reversal in reads later). I also feel that he's quick to try to be weary of certain people (notably those he points out are 'coasting') without major reason, but I don't sense him trying to pressure the people he pings out either.

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

Hello only person in thread so I get to savagely pick through reads (I'm actually happy players started dropping big quote picking posts for more thorough reads)!

Before I do said reads list from last night;

@Mashi, I would very much recommend not basing my tones/actions/notions from a jTWG that we played (as you have also noted that isn't the most solid approach to a read on me); although there are points that you bring up particularly around me that are solid enough to have suspicion on me, and I accept that.

I feel like Curry is spewing artificial posts as of late; especially his post dissecting what Plop had said. Curry dude, you did explicitly state that you have/had a top scum read on me and yet you retract ever so poorly from the idea as you are acting like I wasn't a top scum read the whole time. Your red potential scumread is more forced than sex nowadays. Not only does it seem forced that you are inclined to have a scumread on the both of us (and admittedly based a Red scumread due to having a precedent meta on Red), it very much seems artificial and you're battling an uphill battle going against Plop head on.

Alright time for my reads list brb like 20 minutes as I dissect this thread.