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Old 09-16-2008, 04:06 PM   #1
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Default Canadian Federal Election '08 - Who Should Win?

Yeah, I know a lot of people aren't in to Canadian Politics, so if you didn't know, they just kicked off an election for what party should be the "winning" or "leading" one, and who should be the prime minister.

It's between the Green Party, the Liberal Party, the Conservative Party, the Bloc Quebecois and the NDP (National Democratic Party). More info on the parties: Party Information.

A main site for Federal Election Coverage: Federal Election Coverage.

Public Opinion Polls on who is projected to have the most percentage by different companies: Projected Percentages.

So basically, we're having an election. That was all the information.

In my opinion, I think that the Liberal Party should not win this year, because their leader (Stephane Dion) wants to impose carbon taxes, which tax you for your carbon dioxide consumption. This may seem like a good thing in terms on environment, which it could prove to be, but if this is implemented, our economy would suffer a big hit, because people who want to open businesses do not want to have to pay ANOTHER tax, along with the PST and GST (Provincial and Government Service Taxes). This will cause less companies opening, more closing, and more disgruntled citizens of this country called Canada. This tax would affect everyone that is living here that has to pay them. There will most probably be big issues on this and lead to worse things. This can all stop if Dion and the Liberals are not elected.

So now, the choice. Who do I think should be the leading party? Well, it's kind of split down the middle. In my opinion, I don't think the Green Party should get it, because, well, just no. So it comes down to the already elected Conservatives, and the NDP. This is where I can't decide. They both have great standpoints, and great leaders. I'm just not sure which should win. Even though I can't vote yet, I'd say one of these would be the best choice for a candidate.


What do you think? Post your opinions here.
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Old 09-16-2008, 04:22 PM   #2
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Well, I never really follow politics, even when there are elections in Canada.

I just had a epiphany that I'm old enough to vote, so I should really look into who I'm going to vote for.

Right now, I have no idea.
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Old 09-16-2008, 04:26 PM   #3
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As much as i hate conservatives, harper didn't do a too bad job. I am however never voting for liberals until stephane dion gets off the liberal leader throne. They need their rep back. This year i'm voting for NDP since Jack layton is making more sense than any party right now. I know he won't win, but they need more seats and every vote counts at this point. Funny thing is, if everyone our age actually voted, he'd have about 20% more chance of winning

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Old 09-16-2008, 04:27 PM   #4
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That's what I'm saying. Jack Layton is a genious, and Stephen Harper isn't doing a bad job atm. Dion just sucks castrated donkey balls though.
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Old 09-16-2008, 04:45 PM   #5
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In my opinion, I think that the Liberal Party should not win this year, because their leader (Stephane Dion) wants to impose carbon taxes, which tax you for your carbon dioxide consumption. This may seem like a good thing in terms on environment, which it could prove to be, but if this is implemented, our economy would suffer a big hit, because people who want to open businesses do not want to have to pay ANOTHER tax, along with the PST and GST (Provincial and Government Service Taxes). This will cause less companies opening, more closing, and more disgruntled citizens of this country called Canada. This tax would affect everyone that is living here that has to pay them. There will most probably be big issues on this and lead to worse things. This can all stop if Dion and the Liberals are not elected.
This is a fairly cookie cutter argument I hear over and over again, and the reasoning reminds me of a horse with blinders on, incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

A lot of countries have already imposed a carbon tax with great success. That aside, do you not think that the increased climates will not increase severe climatic events that will in turn require relief, and thus hurt taxpayers, industries etc, costing billions upon billions of dollars? This is only going to get worse. Insurance costs a lot of money.

Also, the market is going to continue to drive up prices of things like oil anyway, so why NOT start taxing them to give green alternatives a competitive edge for the future? Where are we going to be in 100 years if we do not start thinking ahead?

I could go on, and though I could make several arguments potentially against a carbon tax, I don't think you've made any good ones.


I most certainly won't be voting Conservative for this election. I'm a scientist, and Conservative governments time and time again do not fund scientific research and the like (Surprise! Stephen Harper is clueless again and again in scientific issues. He was an idiot then, I did not vote for him then and definitely will not now), so I'm going to be voting Liberal in this election I think.
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Old 09-16-2008, 04:48 PM   #6
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The Conservatives aren't that bad, in fact they're pretty OK but I don't like how they're a bit to easy to give into American demands. He keeps allowing American cooperations to use our resources and Canada doesn't see any benefit out of it such as tariffs worth half a ****. I like Jack Layton but the NDP did a ****ty job last time they were in office and gave us a huge debt, but when I'm of voting age I'm probably going to consider voting for them hoping Jack Layton will do a better job.
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Liberals.
'nuff said.

Harper's full term in office hasn't even ended yet. That must mean something. I just hate Conservative values.
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Harper's full term in office hasn't even ended yet. That must mean something.
The election was called by the Conservatives as an attempt to gain a majority government. That's what it means.
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I predict that the Conservatives will win the election again.
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Old 09-16-2008, 05:48 PM   #10
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Liberals.
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wtf...liberals sucks...lol why the hell would u vote for them..they are uber crap
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Old 09-16-2008, 06:04 PM   #11
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As much as i hate conservatives, harper didn't do a too bad job. I am however never voting for liberals until stephane dion gets off the liberal leader throne. They need their rep back. This year i'm voting for NDP since Jack layton is making more sense than any party right now. I know he won't win, but they need more seats and every vote counts at this point. Funny thing is, if everyone our age actually voted, he'd have about 20% more chance of winning
You can't do much with a minoritary government.

Also I'm not sure who I'm voting for yet but I'm probably voting for Layton. He's like the Canadian Barack Obama, cool, hip and trendy, all the kids like him (**** you, it's an excellent reason to vote for him).
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Old 09-16-2008, 06:17 PM   #12
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If we want to talk environmentalism, I'm in favour of the NDP if solely because Layton seems to be the only federal leader who actively supports the cap-and-trade policy for carbon emissions that the Ontario and Quebec provincial governments signed on to.

Since the vast majority of both population and industry in Canada are in those two provinces, and Premier McGunity and Premier Charest are both fairly popular and fully behind the plan, that lends points towards the NDP right off the bat.

The problem with the election this year is that Harper himself is quite popular, but the Conservatives as a whole aren't; whereas the Liberal party as a whole is fairly popular, but nobody likes Stephan Dion as their leader. It makes it a hard call for people who aren't prepared to go far enough left to vote for the NDP.

Also, am I the only one who thinks that the PQ should really seriously consider running candidates outside Quebec? I mean, find people who support all of the PQ platform except for Quebec Sovereignty (And more PQ members than you think are like that) and I think they could do very well in Ontario and the Maritimes.

Out of all the leaders, I think Gilles Duceppe would actually make the best Prime minister, but since they only run people in Quebec, it will never happen.
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PQ is a joke IMO.

Also, I heard none of the programs speak about investing in arts and culture. Tsk tsk tsk.
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Welcome to Critical Thinking. Explain your statements or don't make them.
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Old 09-23-2008, 04:18 PM   #15
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the quebec party is focusing on seperating which is 57% of the province. nobody else honestly cares and harper was actually in favor. they have such an arrogant mentality which is why most people in other provinces hate quebecers (i'm half quebec nationality so this isn't a blind statement). If i were to vote for someone else than NDP, it would be liberals even though i'm not very confident with stephane dion.


also reach the problem with thinking ahead is that most people aren't that smart and don't really care. all they want is to have results happening quickly. most people voting won't get the effects of neglecting the problems they will create years to come. quite sad.

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Old 09-25-2008, 08:14 PM   #16
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PQ is a joke IMO.

Also, I heard none of the programs speak about investing in arts and culture. Tsk tsk tsk.
Not totally true. NDP has claims (if you look through their plans) that they've fought for, if not adding more funding for cultural programs, keeping the money which is already in them, in them. Err, convoluted sentence that was: they're purporting that they at least won't take money away from them.

I'm never as knowledgeable with my politics as I want to be, so the fact that there was a link here was excellent for me, because I've actually visited each party's website. (Well, the parties that are running my riding at least.)
NDP looks like the best party for me, which isn't surprising to me. New thing I found out: they're opposed to outrageous DRM, which is neat.
I may have liked the Liberals if only I knew more about what they hell they're trying to do. They have the least informative website of all the major parties. (And if anyone says that I should look to other places than just websites, I can't get any useful information about anything from listening to radio or TV it seems. The majority of stuff I hear is either vacuous or attacking.) Also, to the person upset about the fuel tax that they suggest, if you actually read more about their taxes, they say that they're planning on cutting taxes in other areas to make up for that, to counter exactly what you complained about.

Does anyone know if any of the parties are planning on helping out railroads at all?

About the PQ party, if I could vote for them, I might actually pay attention to what they have to say. I couldn't care less about have Quebec be their own nation: if that's what a majority of people want, why stop it?

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ndp focuses more on social programs. PQ focuses more on separating. Conservatives focus more economy. Liberals focus more on balance of left and right. Green party is retarded.


and that's your Canadian politics.
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ndp focuses more on social programs. PQ focuses more on separating. Conservatives focus more economy. Liberals focus more on balance of left and right. Green party is retarded.


and that's your Canadian politics.
I hate blanket statements. Why use them?

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Anything that gets rid of our army, and starts helping the environment.

That is the part I want to win.
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I completely agree. I also find that some different party other than the conservatives to win. They haven't kept important promises.
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