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Djr, you need to work on your communication skills. The is an English forum, and one in which effective and clear communication of ideas is incredibly important.
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You know that I do my possible.
But I coming more a more good I think. Sorry. I can just shut up to. Just let me know. |
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i like where djr is going, i wish he had better english. I am catholic, i believe in god, but i also question whether we actually exist there is no proof we actually exist, nothing can ever prove we exist. What if our whole life was a dream, a really detailed dream. Then everytime wee fall asleep the person who is dreaming us wakes up. Nothing really exists which is why some things just don't seem to make sense. If someone can prove that I am real i would love to see it.
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You are real because you are conscious. Because you can see, think, and feel, you are real. It doesn't matter if you are someone's dream or not because regardless, you are conscious.
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i don't know about you, but in my dreams people are able to move and talk to me. There really is no way to prove life. Dreams can seem as real as "life", doesn't mean i can live under water or whatever happened in my dream. What if nothing really ever happened and this is "heaven". just because we can see, think, and feel doesn't give life. Only in this "world" it does. Think about it. What could happen when we die, its like we never existed, if we really ever did. I see no proof in life, or god. I live "life" and i have faith in god. Nothing is real nothing is fake. You can never prove something really exists
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No individual has any truly complete basis for concluding anything other than solipsism. |
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Yeah that's kinda what meant. I was more trying to say was that whether or not we are are "real" it doesn't matter because this is the only form of consciousness we can be guaranteed so for all intents and purposes, from our collective points of view, we are real. Whether or not you all are "real" or figments of my (or others') imagination is irrelevant, from my perspective.
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And what of the other claimed official records that devonin has mentioned and that I myself have heard of before? I know that many elements of his story are unbelievable, but is it that hard to believe that a man named Jesus, despite being the son of a carpenter, traveled the countryside preaching a new take on moral ideals? Quote:
"I think therefore I am." Your subjective reality is defined by your own existence. Existence is defined by your subjective perspective. "To exist" is what your own self is. Actually, I'm not very good at describing this. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito_ergo_sum Quote:
ps this thread is not about questioning the "realness" of reality. This thread is for questioning why religion is not held to the reasonable standard that science is. Get back to the pointing out how illogical religion is plz
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Since peoples change in mentalities, I mean think to upgrade ( object,technologies,ect... just to see what the real life is. And now that scientific can prove a lot of things, did you see that the world dont going well.
I mean: examples : car. Car help us to go any were that we what to go ( always to see something els ) But this positive things bring 1 problems. (pollution) Earth is degrading days after days just by humans. Animal are so stupid that in a sense , are very intelligent. Take the examples of dore : telling that we exist caus we are at moment present. Does it's mean that ants dont exist in a sense. No one can prove it. So its not because you cant : see, touch, ear ...ect that they dont exist. All exist : same for dream But in a other world , like the 6th sense. So why not spirit? can they have a 6e sense? No one know really. |
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The reason there is such a delay between the events and their being written down is that the apostles believed when Christ died, that his promised second coming would be like "Any time now" and certainly within their own lifetimes. As a result, nobody felt it relevant to record anything, because they only had a couple years to go. Interestingly, the period between the death of Christ and the starting of the formal recordings of doctrine is a period in which the church was very egalitarian, and several of the important women to the church held positions of pretty high significance. But once 30, 40 years go by, and everyone who was actually -there- when Jesus was saying and doing things start to realise "You know...maybe the second coming -isn't- right around the corner...we need to record this stuff for our descendants." that they took the time to record their accounts. |
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The idea says nothing about the "reality" of other things, or even the "realness" of the world around us, but only of the intangible existence of your self's mind.
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nothing can prove consciousness, like i said we could be someones dream which means we wouldn't exist in their world and they wouldn't exist in our world. Then the dreams that they have are so in depth that we could have full separate lives. With other things going on around us to try and convince us that we are in fact real when we are not.
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If you're thinking, your MIND is real. It doesn't matter if REALITY IS DEFINED AS BEING A DREAM, because YOUR COGNITIVE AWARENESS MEANS THAT YOUR MIND IS REAL. Not your BRAIN. The ABSTRACT MIND. If your thoughts were not real, YOU WOULD NOT BE THINKING THEM.
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You have no way to know that kmay is any more real than I am or any other claimed consciousness to which you don't have introspective access. *grin*
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Do you think cat are bored? They don't even talk. They don't even think like a human. What is the life for them? Consciousness is not a life, is a way to survive. |
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Your comment has nothing to do with what Afrobean said.
He is referring to the human question of personal consciousness, and the basic definition of cogito ergo sum. If the cat were capable of comprehending a maxim like "I think, therefore I am" then for the cat, it's own consciousness would be proven to it. |
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Yes they do, but its always to survive.
Not to live take power or whatever. They don't give a ****. Thats why religion gating away... |
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Even when I can decode what words you're trying to say, it doesn't really make sense to the discussion at hand.
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