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Old 08-22-2008, 05:10 AM   #221
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Its 18 if you are cool and live near me :P
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Old 08-22-2008, 06:32 AM   #222
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Pertaining to this thread, I havent heard anything about a lowered drinking age. My opinion on the matter of if it will help lower drunk driving offenses is no. If it does, it wont be enough to be of significance. Reason I believe that is because I think a good portion of Americans are stupid, especially the youth. This is just my opinion, so if you disagree on anything said, I dont really care.

Also, OrganisM, stop being such a hypocrite. You threw out insults at multiple people (mainly from saying "probably should have been moved there when it was "alive", before ryan, Milk, and fido came in."), called MilkChan a "retard" in context, and you talk about not posting things that are irrelivant to the conversation at hand, yet you've got over 1,500 posts and expect us to believe you havent went off topic once? Btw when I say you're a hypocrite for the "retard" comment, that relates to you claming to drink underage like any "responsible adult", all the while trying to flame Milk for calling people stupid, while you're the one calling him stupid (aka, "retard"). Being responsible would require following the law, in which you even admit to not doing in this situation.

Finally, I agree with MilkChan on those saying to lower the age even further (those who are serious about it, not the jokers) need to gtfo. Kay I'm done.
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Old 08-22-2008, 11:18 AM   #223
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Old 08-22-2008, 05:45 PM   #224
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The thing with alcohol, your brain doesn't stop developing until you are 27. While you drink legally at 21, you still have 6 years that your brain could develop more, and in my opinion, they need to raise the age on it. Either way I would drink legally, because my state's law says your parent/guardian can take you to a bar, and buy you a drink, as long as they buy it and give it to you in the bar, it's legal. It's pretty weird.
That's not weird at all. That is an effective way to learn how to drink safely in moderation.

Also notice: safe drinking habits won't put any negative effect on your physical or mental development. The key points are "safe" and "in moderation".

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buh... 18 year olds with parents on their back are more apt to be responsible than 21 year olds on their own, particularly if reasonable and safe limitations for these young adults are enforced by the law, in the case that parents prove themselves incompetent.

ps people REALLY need to stop coming in here and just saying "duh you can drink at xx age here lolkolololol", it does nothing to add to the conversation, is annoying as **** to see posted repeatedly over and over and over and is just blatant postwhoring. Also bad: the "i can drink in xx amount of time loloololol". Shut the **** up.

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Old 08-23-2008, 01:52 AM   #225
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I'm always hearing the argument of, "old enough to go to war, old enough to drink", but that's not entirely right. The thing is, when you're going to war, they beat the ability to be responsible about things and handle yourself like an adult into you. Drinking, on the other hand, removes that ability to be responsible. Overall, it comes down to if a person is capable of stopping drinking before they get in over their head. There is proof though, that responsibility comes with age, although that is not always true. It's a matter of the drinkers maturity level when all is said and done.
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Old 08-23-2008, 04:13 AM   #226
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its been like that in australia since forever and we've turned out

almost normal.

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Old 08-23-2008, 12:25 PM   #227
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LOL. Like thats gonna stop anyone. People still drink underage. No big.
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Old 08-23-2008, 01:42 PM   #228
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It's already 18 here in canada but oh well, who cares?
uhh, doesn't each province/territory have the power over the drinking age? If I'm not mistaken doesn't the drinking age vary throughout Canada, much like in the US?

I know in the US the each state gets to choose its own drinking age, I thought it was the same in Canada.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
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Old 08-23-2008, 02:15 PM   #229
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I'm always hearing the argument of, "old enough to go to war, old enough to drink", but that's not entirely right. The thing is, when you're going to war, they beat the ability to be responsible about things and handle yourself like an adult into you. Drinking, on the other hand, removes that ability to be responsible. Overall, it comes down to if a person is capable of stopping drinking before they get in over their head. There is proof though, that responsibility comes with age, although that is not always true. It's a matter of the drinkers maturity level when all is said and done.
Eh, what d'you think is the best way to teach someone to be responsible, beat it into them or let them experience their own limits so they can draw their own conclusions? Forcing someone to do anything has the wrong effect - they'll get frustrated and do the exact opposite.

I've been drinking alcohol since I was like 12 years old. Of course, the first so many years were nothing more than a glass of champagne on my b-day, christmas and new year's eve, but my parents taught me that alcohol can indeed be enjoyable and taste good, but they warned me for drinking too much. My dad even told me "we know you'll probably come home drunk once, and I hope that you'll have such a bad experience that you'll never do it again".
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Old 08-23-2008, 03:24 PM   #230
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Also since people wanted to know where I heard this, it was on fox news.
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Old 08-23-2008, 03:34 PM   #231
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Well, this MAY come true, and I'm pretty sure its only for a few of the backwater states like Montana and Vermont. They said they DO expect less alchohol related accidents, and there was a legitimate reason to back it all up, but it was almost a month ago I heard this may happen, so I forget.
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Old 08-23-2008, 07:30 PM   #232
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LOL. Like thats gonna stop anyone. People still drink underage. No big.
Right, but the idea is to create an environment in which these people can learn to drink safely. Not when they're 16 at a crazy party with no reasonable adult supervision. Not when they're 21 and living off on their own.

You give them a safe way to try this stuff out and these people will be less likely to drink themselves to death irresponsibly. The only potential monkeywrench is drunk driving, but I say, just make laws and punishment even stiffer for that. Anyone who would do something so irresponsible (or, allow themself into a situation whereby alcohol's effect could lead them to do something so irresponsible) doesn't deserve to not be behind bars.

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uhh, doesn't each province/territory have the power over the drinking age? If I'm not mistaken doesn't the drinking age vary throughout Canada, much like in the US?

I know in the US the each state gets to choose its own drinking age, I thought it was the same in Canada.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
As was already said, the federal government has sidestepped the law. Yes, each individual state has the power to set a unique age for imbibing alcohol, yet, if they don't do what the federal government says, the federal government withholds major funding. In other words, the states have power, but the federal government says "use that power and we won't give you money."

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Well, this MAY come true, and I'm pretty sure its only for a few of the backwater states like Montana and Vermont. They said they DO expect less alchohol related accidents, and there was a legitimate reason to back it all up, but it was almost a month ago I heard this may happen, so I forget.
Again, if an individual state chooses to exercise their power, they lose out on major funding. This policy would need to be changed at the source, and only then could individual states set the age as they were originally supposed to be able to.
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afro is right on the mark guys.
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Old 08-23-2008, 07:37 PM   #234
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I must say, Yay!
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I personally think that the drinking age should be lowered to 18 because people drink underage anyways, so you can't stop everyone from doing that.

If people are going to drink beer at 18, you might as well let them drink legally.

Also, 18 is the age where a person is truly an adult, and while not all of them are responsible, most of them are, and an adult should be able to handle that situation of drinking beer or not drinking beer.
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I personally think that the drinking age should be lowered to 18 because people drink underage anyways, so you can't stop everyone from doing that.
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No. Don't be stupid. The idea isn't "everyone does it, so just make it legal so no one gets in trouble". That's just ****ing stupid.

"If people are going to drive over the speed limit, you might as well let them legally."

"If people are going to cheat on their taxes, you might as well let them legally."

"If people are going to commit petty theft, you might as well let them legally."

The idea isn't "make it legal so people don't get in trouble". The idea is to let them do it SAFELY and allow them to learn how to be responsible with it. The idea is to put these young adults in an environment where they can be supported and learn to drink in moderation. The idea is to stop them from being stupid on their 21st birthday and killing themself. The idea is to stop them from being stupid at a party and killing themself from alcohol before they've even reached 18.

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Holy ****. Most wrong thing I've ever heard. Being 18 does not throw a switch in any person's mind that makes them responsible. In fact, if I had to say so, I would say that MOST people at 18 ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE AT ALL. The only reason freedoms associated with being an adult are granted at that time is because it is UNREASONABLE TO WITHHOLD PERSONAL FREEDOMS if there is no evidence suggesting the person would abuse said freedoms. Really, it's not like they can ever say that a person is responsible enough to be an adult (and in some cases, some people never even get there), so rather than withhold freedom from all for their entire life (good idea, right), they pick an adequate age that "everyone" can feel comfortable with as a cutoff. This is especially useful in modern times, because at this age, the person is likely still in high school, and almost certainly still living with their parents. The idea really isn't to go "ok ur adult now go be adult", the idea is "ok you're old enough that we can't withhold these responsibilities anymore, so you need to take responsibility." This doesn't mean that at 18, a person is responsible enough, it just means that they need to take responsibility for themself.
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Old 08-27-2008, 03:29 PM   #238
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Good job bringing a thread back from the dead and contributing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

PS- Ironic how Afrobean is even more obnoxious than I've ever been and yet he is in the right and I'm on the wrong side of the ban stick.
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