Old 04-25-2004, 10:40 AM   #21
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Drugs = bad
Drug war = worse

I know for a fact that a lot of people simply do it out of rebelliousness.
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Old 04-25-2004, 10:56 AM   #22
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this kind of goes along the same lines as chardish was going...
A lot of people do it for the rebellious nature of it, much like Alcohol or smoking under age.
Alcohol: A lot of people like to party under age, and then they party like idiots when they turn 21. Eventually you realize, hey... well, the fun is gone out of this because its not illegal anymore, and it dies down. Same with under age smoking, but because smoking is much more addictive it sticks through life.
I think the same thing would happen if you legalize marijuana as does with alcohol, there would be this huge out burst for a while, but it would eventually die down because it became much more accessible and a lot less of a rebellious thing. Again, just my opinion.
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Old 04-25-2004, 04:33 PM   #23
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That outburst would mess up quite a few things... and rather than 10 year olds smoking cigarettes, we'd have 10 yr olds smokin joints... both are addictive, and people will more than likely always use them. Like i said, legal in the privacy of ones home, maybe. But not in public.

And also... over time, a tolerance is built up to marijuana. Eventually, a person hits a point where its cheaper to go to other drugs, than to continue trying to use marijuana to continue getting high... and they do. This is why its called the gateway drug, and I'v watched dozens of people fall into the same exact trap. If we were going to legalize marijuana, the next thing would be lsd... then heroin... then cocain...... you get the point. You have to draw the line somehwere. Cigarettes arent making people any stupider than they already are. If you smoke, its just a nice warning to other people that you are a moron. Potheads on the otherhand, get into a lazy and useless state. It makes people stupider. Absolutely.

The penalty for this crap is still too little. Jail is too much, but the fine should be devastating. And tax should be about 500% the sale price. Literally. Use the money from the ignorant potheads, to pay for the poor kid's college, or something along those lines. Dont use the tax money for rehab... thats contradicting yourself.

Either way, marijuana helps NO ONE in the long run. And people rarely realize that till 10 years down the road.

Edit - As far as penalty, i feel that it should be legal to sell it... but illegal to smoke it. As in... DONT LET PEOPLE SEE. If you are caught smoking in public... you should get thrown in jail for the day. (not prison) and fined about 10 grand...
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Old 04-25-2004, 04:54 PM   #24
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Edit - As far as penalty, i feel that it should be legal to sell it... but illegal to smoke it.
Your post made sense right up until there. That's the same reason I think the RIAA is stupid. They're trying to ban filesharing, yet they sell Mp3 players? Your comment ranks right up there in the stuipdity factor. What legislation would vote for a law like that?
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Old 04-25-2004, 05:01 PM   #25
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Anti, that wasn't a stupid comment. It would be an awesome trap for the government- legal to sell (taxes + record of buyers), illegal to use (prevents bad effects, easy to catch since you have names from buy). That would screw over so many people that the whole drug market would collapse.
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"Either way, marijuana helps NO ONE in the long run"

Tell that to those dying from Cancer and Leukemia, and the only thing that is keeping them from spending their last few years in pain is Marijuana.

"Potheads on the otherhand, get into a lazy and useless state. It makes people stupider. Absolutely."
There is no proof that pot makes you dumber. Besides, most of the people who start smoking it are idiots to begin with, but not all of them. I know some very smart "potheads".
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Old 04-25-2004, 05:27 PM   #27
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I watched so many friends in highschool get stupid off smoking pot. Thats why i said it, regardless of medical proof.

It made perfect sense... if you read the whole statement. NO SMOKING = NO SMOKING IN PUBLIC.

Cops cant come into your house for no reason and arrest you. So smoke there... not on the bench next to me in a park.
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"I watched so many friends in highschool get stupid off smoking pot. Thats why i said it, regardless of medical proof."

So have I. But I know the reason they do it is to be "rebels". All they do on the weekends is Smoke and Drink. They used to be fun to hang out with, too. LAN parties, arguing over which video games kick more ass, but no, not anymore, they are too cool hanging out with the "emo" kids.

How do I know they do it just to be rebels? Well, my one friend, who got all of the others into smoking, well, they ditched him too.
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Old 04-25-2004, 11:12 PM   #29
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about pot not killing people i have nearly died twice from it. now before you go making me out to be a stoner let me explain. i am highly allergic to THC so if somone starts smoking it within about 20 ft i can die. anyways. anyone who says that pot has no negative side effects is either ignorant or very hopefull. i think any pleasure inducing drug is bad simply because of the addiction it carries.
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I am not saying Pot doesnt have negative side affects. I am just saying that when compared to Tobacco and Alcohol, it really isnt that bad.

People are also allergic to peanuts, but that doesnt mean they should make Peanut M&Ms illegal.

And once again, when I mean pot has never killed anyone I am making refference to there has never been a case like this:

Cop #1 "So young....what a waste."
Cop #2 "Looks like they overdosed on Marijuana."
Cop #1 "Always with the Marijuana. NO!!!!! WHY NOT TAKE ME INSTEAD!!! Ugh, I need to get my mind off of this. Let's hit the pub and drink ourselves blind"
Cop #2 "Sounds good to me. God, this job would be so difficult if it werent for Alcohol to drown my problems with and Cigarettes to calm my nerves."
Cop #1 "Why cant children just drink liquor and slowly destroy their underdeveloped livers with its sweet sweet toxins, and smoke their little young lungs full of the wonderful cancer inducing tar of tobacco?"
Cop #2 "Maybe it has to do with how much harder it is to obtain liquor and cigs while underaged. And how Drug dealers dont care to check for I.D. Or maybe, just maybe, they do it because it is illegal."
Cop #1 "When with they learn?!"
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Weed is a upper While it kills you. But still fun and enjoyable and good for the people who need it medically.

The rest is bull,don't do any of it.
Weed is a depressant, not a stimulant.

Crack is a stimulant.


I can't believe nobody even disputed by legalization idea *shakes fist*
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Old 04-26-2004, 06:14 AM   #32
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The presence of greater evils does not justify the existence of lesser evils.

You'll hear this argument a lot when justifying bad stuff. "There are worse things out there." It doesn't work. This is most commonly used when combatting the bad images presented by the media, which I won't get into here so the topic doesn't change.

"He's doing dope!" .... "there's worse stuff out there."

Does that mean he shouldn't be doing dope? Of course not.
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Old 04-26-2004, 09:29 AM   #33
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I am not saying Pot doesnt have negative side affects. I am just saying that when compared to Tobacco and Alcohol, it really isnt that bad.

People are also allergic to peanuts, but that doesnt mean they should make Peanut M&Ms illegal.

And once again, when I mean pot has never killed anyone I am making refference to there has never been a case like this:

Cop #1 "So young....what a waste."
Cop #2 "Looks like they overdosed on Marijuana."
Cop #1 "Always with the Marijuana. NO!!!!! WHY NOT TAKE ME INSTEAD!!! Ugh, I need to get my mind off of this. Let's hit the pub and drink ourselves blind"
Cop #2 "Sounds good to me. God, this job would be so difficult if it werent for Alcohol to drown my problems with and Cigarettes to calm my nerves."
Cop #1 "Why cant children just drink liquor and slowly destroy their underdeveloped livers with its sweet sweet toxins, and smoke their little young lungs full of the wonderful cancer inducing tar of tobacco?"
Cop #2 "Maybe it has to do with how much harder it is to obtain liquor and cigs while underaged. And how Drug dealers dont care to check for I.D. Or maybe, just maybe, they do it because it is illegal."
Cop #1 "When with they learn?!"
...good idea for a skit or something.
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The presence of greater evils does not justify the existence of lesser evils.

You'll hear this argument a lot when justifying bad stuff. "There are worse things out there." It doesn't work. This is most commonly used when combatting the bad images presented by the media, which I won't get into here so the topic doesn't change.

"He's doing dope!" .... "there's worse stuff out there."

Does that mean he shouldn't be doing dope? Of course not.
...lesser evils...reminds me of that bad joke from master and commander.
well, another point to be made is that if jane was legal, dont you think people would turn away from some of the biologically worse legal alternatives like alcohol, glue, paint, cigarettes, cigars, and paint fumes that dont do much but kill you?
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I get a kick off of weed,what the fuck are you smoking? The shit I used to by kept you all w00t w00t w00ting all night long baby! You have to know who your buying it from and where it came from
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I agree with most of the views posted so far, except one. It may very well be a fact that majiauna's toxins has never killed anyone, but that may only be becasue users end up dying before the toxins kill them, because they were high and did something dumb. So the toxins never have the chance to get to the fatal level. I completely swore off all 3 about 7 years ago anyways, so I don't really care. Although I do think prohibiton should be reinstated. But that won't happen, cause as we know, corporate America owns the government.
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well jewpin... you say that weed has never killed anyone by itself. there you are wrong. my friend was a good kid never smoked dringed or anything like that. then one day he up and decided to go smoke some weed with some old friends. since my friend had never smoked before when he smoked the weed he couldn't handle it. he freaked out and inhaled too much and couldn't exhale and died of smoke inhalation. he couldn't getany oxygen because he had the smoke in his lungs for too long. on the medical record the cause of death was "marijuana smoke inhalation prevented lungs from obtaining oxygen".

so all i have to say is that all drugs suck and all drugs kill.
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Weed is a upper While it kills you. But still fun and enjoyable and good for the people who need it medically.

The rest is bull,don't do any of it.
Weed is a depressant, not a stimulant.

Crack is a stimulant.


I can't believe nobody even disputed by legalization idea *shakes fist*
you'reboth wrong,marijuana has been classified as a hallusenogin (or however you spell it i really don't careright now)

uppers spped up heart rate and neural activity in the brain

downers slow down both

marijuana doesn't affect neural activity therefore it can't be classified as either.

I think it can be safe to say that the side effects of marijuana cannot kill a person. Its all the other things that the stupid people do while under the influence that kill.

which is kind ofthe same with alcohol because you can be piss drunk and survive, but the minuteyou get in the car....

smoking does kill with the carsinogens and killing off lung tissue
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which is kind ofthe same with alcohol because you can be piss drunk and survive, but the minuteyou get in the car....
Yeah, you can die from alcohol poisoning, or your liver fails, or what-have-you...
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