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Seems like someone took my post out of context
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Well, assuming I grant that you're correct (which I dont) and the horrible torture was enough to make someone not do the same crime again, you pretty much explicitly stated "Instead they'll do something worse" which seems to indicate that it's a bad plan.
The important thing to realise is that I'm pretty sure almost anybody will agree that any punishment that doesn't include being killed is better than a punishment where you are killed, and yet places with the death penalty have no lower a rate of crimes for which the penalty can be death than anywhere else. If "If you do this we'll -kill- you" isn't a deterrant, why should "If you do this, we'll hurt you really badly" going to be more of one? |
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Deterrents do not work for the people who do commit murder. Sure, it prevents people from murdering left and right, but it won't actually stop the person who's committing murder when they actually commit murder.
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On the contrary. I'm saying they will no longer commit large scale crimes. They would perhaps litter, steal a pack of gum, or rip the tag off their mattress. But a tortured criminal will not murder, rape, rob, etc again.
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we dont have it over here
the only Death Penalty was that of Adolf Otto Eichmann Last edited by heyitsmee; 04-20-2008 at 10:01 PM.. |
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Serial killers are already unstable torturing them in hopes that it will "fix" them will not even change them. on the contrary it would only make them more prone to attacking again but doing that in the name of revenge.
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Give me someone to kill, opportunity, and the guarantee I won't get caught. Do the torture. I'll be glad to prove it
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What the... but no seriously the method of killing aside i think that we should have the death penalty in some form. people who commit violent crimes need to be punished for their evil deeds no matter how the act was committed even if it be by accident.
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That's true but the accident thing... I mean, we do have no way to prove if it was or wasn't an accident.
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I feel like making a hypothetical "
dee-dee-dee" sound to you but where are we going with this? |
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Death Penalty is quite absolute. Black and white, alive and dead.
"Some Form" does not imply in any way. |
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I asked you to support your claim with evidence. You said you could show me proof provided we put you in a logically impossible situation. I'm assuming therefore that you actually have no such evidence, and we can carry on with other aspects of the discussion. |
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So if A is enraged because of B proviking A, and A gets into a fight with B, ends up killing B, but does so as an accident, A should be put to death? Shouldn't these types of cases be worthy of lesser punishments such as 15 years or more in prison with provided anger management therapy? Now we are not talking in cases that cannot be proven accidental or not, but rather cases in which the person who killed the other, comes clean the same day or whenever(within a reasonable amount of time) to the proper authorities? Should A still be put to death despite it being crystal clear of it being an accident?
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Not necessarily. Both the individual and the crime should be taken into account before the death penalty is enforced.
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The problem with that kind of subjective application of a punishment that can only be final and objective is that you have no greater authority to appeal to in order to claim that your particular list of circumstances where death is warranted is actually valid.
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I'm afraid I do not understand that post. Can you please clarify for me?
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I'm assuming you ask because you saw the post during the edits for formatting of the graph, before I put in the text below the graph. If the text afterwards still doesn't explain it, I have no idea how else to tell you what I'm saying.
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