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Old 03-5-2008, 04:42 PM   #21
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Default Re: Infinite Life and Government

I work in a doctors office that treats patients of all wakes. Depression is a large factor in over 30% of the people we see - and we're general practitioners.

I'm basing "most people don't know how to live" based off the fact that people are meant to enjoy life while they're alive, but fumble when it comes to finding actual purpose. And no, it's not quantifiable. It's purley speculative.

Instead of going in a circle here - because I do honestly believe that people are meant to die and will flounder if granted eternal life - I'll ask you, why, after 10,000 years, you would want to wake up again? Surely after a point you'd just want it all to stop.

And the god thing from your post came off as more facetious than a light hearted joke.
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Old 03-5-2008, 04:56 PM   #22
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Instead of going in a circle here - because I do honestly believe that people are meant to die and will flounder if granted eternal life - I'll ask you, why, after 10,000 years, you would want to wake up again? Surely after a point you'd just want it all to stop.
Our lives are fragmented, past experiences matter but they only leave a residue, which can fade out and later be renewed again. There is so many different things to do in life, that if we all linked them together, you could go on really far.

Also living "long" not forever. I believe a term such as forever is too audacious for this.
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Infinite life is the topic. "Long" life supposes that the people will, one day, die. For the sake of conversation, they cannot.

People also want what they cannot have. If you deny them death, eventually the urge will strike.
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Old 03-5-2008, 06:52 PM   #24
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pps. Death is a part of life. What is life if there is no end?
Well, this doesn't really have much to do with my Original idea for this topic and stuff, but I shall address something.

If we have to die, why do we even bother living longer? Has it ever occured to us that Maybe and Just Maybe we are trying to live forever? If not, we might as well just die right here and right now (besides, many people are content with their ideas of an afterlife).

Also, I believe that it would be a misconception to state that it Is a fact that humans will die even though it occurs so frequently that it would make people think that. I mean wouldn't it be pointless to have all these doctors, surgens, etc. if we are just going to die? Of course, I would be among the people who would be happy to live for ever (especially knowing that so far, I can think for myself and won't have to worry about an afterlife).

Edit: These are just thoughts so correct me if anything I state is not going to happen and you know that as a 100% true fact or if I state something that's incorrect. I would imagine that if we were advanced enough to practically resist things that would kill us (not necessarily be able to live on the sun because I doubt technology would help us resist the sun's heat though you never know [this is assuming that nothing has happened to the sun yet]), we could start projects to expand space for living (a true test as to whether or not the universe is finite or infinite). If the universe is infinite, we may be able to do something like create a bunch of fake planets for life. If the universe is not infinite, people would have to stop reproducing or something if that becomes a problem (this would be bad considering some people May still mate even when they shouldn't and other possible things could make living worse at this point).

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It is not a misconception to state that all humans will die. All humans up to this point have died, all humans after will die. Unless you can find me a case where there's a person that didn't die, then I might agree with you.

The point of doctors and surgeons isn't everlasting life. It's to prolong the life we have and make if comfortable. No one wants to wander around with the flu or a tumor.

Every form of doctoring is hospice care. It's making us comfortable until we die.
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It is not a misconception to state that all humans will die. All humans up to this point have died, all humans after will die. Unless you can find me a case where there's a person that didn't die, then I might agree with you.
In certain instances, just because there is evidence for one idea and none for its opposite Does Not indicate that we can only rely on the idea as opposed to its opposite. The lack of evidence at the time is Not the same as no possible evidence at all for what you're argueing. I must admit, in this period of time, infinite life seems a bit questionable, but you never know what evidence might pop up. We need to keep an open mind.

Even if the chances are 99.99% in favor of death, there will always be that .01% chance of infinite life and We need to take that into account or we would just be playing God.
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Well, because you're making the ludicrous accusation, the burden of proof falls on you to back it up.

I could very well say "French fries can talk! This is feasible. Just because there hasn't been a recorded instance doesn't mean it won't happen." Or maybe I'll poo gold and find roller skates that allow me to fly.

All of these claims are equally insane.

There is no .01% of infinite life. Just because it's a concept doesn't make it reality.
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Well, because you're making the ludicrous accusation, the burden of proof falls on you to back it up.

I could very well say "French fries can talk! This is feasible. Just because there hasn't been a recorded instance doesn't mean it won't happen." Or maybe I'll poo gold and find roller skates that allow me to fly.

All of these claims are equally insane.

There is no .01% of infinite life. Just because it's a concept doesn't make it reality.
Well according to some theories there are an infinite amount of universes, making an infinite amount of chance that an infinite amount of universes will have a universe exactly like ours only people life for ever. So we are debating for them.
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Okay, but do we live in them? What we're debating is infinite life in this universe, not a tangent universe. The circumstances in the tangent universe would be wildly different, in concerns to eternal life. There's a universe out there where I poo gold and have rocket skates, but I'm not debating for that one. I'm debating for the one I actually live in.
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