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Old 01-8-2008, 04:28 PM   #21
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i honestly belive im gay i do not take pride in this i actually wish i wasnt but ive liked guys sence i was 7 and have never liked a girl not even really as a friend they annoy me for the mostpart there are obviously some acceptions but most girls i know i dislike. anyways ive been a christian all my life and have prayed about changing for a while i finnally gave up last year because i felt he wasnt hearing my prayers. i belive in sex after marraige and do wish to marry someday but i dn its been real hard for me. about 2 years ago i was suisidle because of it and attempted a few times. i really didnt want to die but i felt god had just thrown me off to the side to rot. i decided i had to learn and accept myself if i was ever to be happy. so now a year or too later dont feel like doing the math i am much happier i am still a heavy beliver in god and go to church but im gay i dont act girly i act like a normal teenage guy i just like guys. if i could i would really change but i dn if that will ever happen o well i also know my parents will have a very hard time to accept me as they dont know yet but o well
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Read the Critical Thinking rules before posting again with such abhorrent spelling and grammar.

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First: define "normal".

Second: explain how having anal sex with another dude is "normal".

Third: understand that no matter your definition for "normal", that by no means removes a sinful nature from an act (emphasis on "act").

I'm pretty sure it's "normal" to be greedy, lustful, wrathful, avaricious, gluttonous, prideful, and slothful, but that doesn't make them okay.

Science has absolutely no say in what's sinful and what's not, so I don't see why you even bring them into it.

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I would just like to point out that one of the erogenous (sp?) zones on males is the prostate. The prostate, being located INSIDE the body, can really only be stimulated through anal play. If anal sex is not natural, and is so sinful and evil and all that jazz...why would God -DESIGN- human males this way?

As for you saying that science has absolutely no say in what's sinful and what's not.. Your only guide on the subject is a book that has been rewritten, remixed, and retranslated enough times that for all you know, it may have originally said it was sinful to go to church with wet hair.

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Second: explain how having anal sex with another dude is "normal".
I'm confused if this is just you trying to stay on topic by making a point or if you are just being crude and openly homophobic. I'm almost offended.
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well i dn if i agree with churches accepting gay ppl or not i dont have an opionion on the matter i belive being gay is a sin but i am gay so i dn im a very confused person as for the spelling i know im a terrible speller i dont try to be i just am and am trying to change that sorry i cant
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I would just like to point out that one of the erogenous (sp?) zones on males is the prostate. The prostate, being located INSIDE the body, can really only be stimulated through anal play. If anal sex is not natural, and is so sinful and evil and all that jazz...why would God -DESIGN- human males this way?
Why do men have nipples? Your argument isn't logical if you're suggesting that because prostate stimulation is sexually exciting God thus condones homosexuality. There's a GIANT gap in there that you just jumped across without considering.

Also recall that anal sex with a woman is sinful, too, so that's not just a concern of homosexuality.

The Bible is very clear on why homosexuality is sinful, regardless of how "normal" it might be (which, again, you'll be hard pressed to prove).

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The Bible: "I deal exclusively with religious matters, and very much with what's virtuous and what's sinful. Churches and historians have kept meticulous records of my content and the writings over the seventeen hundred years of my existence will corroborate the legitimacy of what I say now."

Science: "By definition, we never deal with religious matters. Period. End of story."

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Because they are not sex linked traits and develop on a fetus before the sex hormones take effect in fetal development. But that's what science says.

I think the official Church explanation is: I don't know, God works in mysterious ways. It's best not to try to understand him and just accept him.
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It was a rhetorical question, jewp.

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Ok doing my best to use proper spelling and gramer, correct me if im wrong. We are getting a bit off topic now. I have decided that i belive that christians are suposed to accept everyone. this means gay and straight people alike. So therefore even if that church does not permit gay marriage shouldnt the church accept gay people into the congrigation?

Is this better?
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The church basically says you can be a duck, but just don't quack or swim or anything else that is associated with being a duck.
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Rhetorical questions only inspire awe in fools and ignoramuses.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

So, what if a man is raped by another man? Against his will and wishes. It it still an abomination worthy of being punished?

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Rhetorical questions only inspire awe in fools and ignoramuses.
Be that so, it was still a tool for rhetoric, not inspiring awe.

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So, what if a man is raped by another man? Against his will and wishes. It it still an abomination worthy of being punished?
If God intended "lying with a woman" to mean "raping her", then you might have an argument. Something tells me that that's not right, though.

Also, jewp, you're getting terribly off-topic in here. I know that you have all sorts of vitriol bottled up for any sort of antireligious argument you might be able to strike up, but whether or not homosexuality is or should be a sin isn't the least bit germane to the OP.

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Why do men have nipples? Your argument isn't logical if you're suggesting that because prostate stimulation is sexually exciting God thus condones homosexuality. There's a GIANT gap in there that you just jumped across without considering.

Also recall that anal sex with a woman is sinful, too, so that's not just a concern of homosexuality.

The Bible is very clear on why homosexuality is sinful, regardless of how "normal" it might be (which, again, you'll be hard pressed to prove).



The Bible: "I assume that I am correct because there are some small bits of history inside of me. The people who wrote me believed that the voices in their heads were actually angels and or God him/herself. My wording has been changed, changed back, and changed again. Once a year, someone comes up with yet another alternative interpretation of my meaning. I maintain that there is a God, and this God at one point was directly involved with the goings on of the Planet Earth, but suddenly decided to stop showing that He actually exists."

Science: "By definition, we never deal with religious matters. Period. End of story.This would be because religious matters cannot be analyzed. Religion cannot be proven or disproven 100% without a shadow of a doubt."

I think my source is better.

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