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Skinner seems to be pretty widely rejected these days. Also research has been done into cognitive gender, and a biological etiology has been found for transsexuality, although not yet for homosexuality. |
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In many cultures homosexual people are often mocked, outcast, or even killed. "Facing such reactions, homosexual people often struggle with their sexual orientation. They may at first try to ignore or deny their desires, hoping they will go away. But they don’t. Then they may try to change, through psychotherapy, willpower, or similarly incapable of becoming homosexual (Halderman, 1994, 2001). Most of today's psychologists therefore view sexual orientation as neither willfully chose nor willfully changed. Sexual orientation in some ways is like handedness: Most people are one way, some the other. A very few are truly ambidextrous. Regardless, the way one is endures (Myers 476). This study does, however, hint at finding reported recently by other researchers-that women's sexual orientation tends to be less strongly felt and potentially more fluid and changeable than men's (Diamond, 2000;Peplau & Garnets, 2000). This finding accords with other research on men's more "target-specific" sexual arousal. In their self-reports and measured sexual responses, heterosexual men are more aroused by female erotic stimuli, homosexual men by male erotic stimuli. Women, regardless of sexual orientation, respond to both male and female stimuli (Chivers & others, 2003) (Myers 476-477) Men's lesser sexual variability is apparent in many other ways as well, notes Roy Baumeister (2000). Across time, across cultures, across situations, and across differing levels of education, religiosity, and peer influence, adult women's sexual drive and interests are more flexible and varying than adult men's- a phenomenon Baumeister calls the gender difference in "erotic plasticity." Women, more than men, for example, prefer to alternate periods of high sexual activity with periods of almost none. (Myers 477) Despite elevated rates of depression and risk of suicide attempts, most gays and lesbians suffer no psychological disorder (Sandfort & others, 2001). Most people, whether straight or gay, accept their orientation-by electing celibacy; by engaging in promiscuous sex (a choice more commonly made by gay men than by lesbian women0; or by entering into a committed, long-term love relationship (a choice more often made by lesbians than by gays) (Kulkin & others, 2000; Peplau, 1982; Remafedi, 1999; Weinberg & Williams, 1974). Mental health professionals are now more accepting of clients' sexual orientation. The American Psychiatric Association in 1973 dropped homosexuality from its list of "mental illnesses," as did the World Health Organization in 1993, and Japan's and China's psychiatric associations in 1995 and 2001. (Myers 477)" Myers, David G. Psychology Seventh Edition in Modules. Worth Publishers, New York, 2004. Ok there it is. This just isn’t any fun though. I'm copying everything from a book, I'm not thinking at all. I hope this clears my name up a bit, but I'm tired of wasting my time on this thread. |
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So umm...Remind me again, are you saying that homosexuality is or Isn't a choice? Because the giant block of text you posted seems to indicate that it is not a choice, as illustrated by the lines I emboldened. (Not trying to be an arseface, just wondering.) |
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"Everyone has heard of bisexuals, but the truth is that that is a choice." with "Most of today's psychologists therefore view sexual orientation as neither willfully chose nor willfully changed." And " But if your a guy, then someone may need to start rewritting psychology text books" with "Most people are one way, some the other. A very few are truly ambidextrous." You'll note it didn't say "A very few women" it said "A very few people" |
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So far I'm just reading this, don't have time to comment right now, but yes, I did get angry because you seem to twist facts to try to justify whatever beliefs you hold, Dark Ronin. None of those sources you pasted come anywhere near helping your cause, in fact most of them easily disprove you, as others have pointed out so far. The conclusions you come to are based upon your prior assumptions and interpretations of what these facts mean. Basically, you can't make the conclusions that you have made from the data you've given us.
I don't know how to say this in more polite language, so I'll just say it: you're still full of bull****. Anyway, I thought it was funny that you're using a textbook that one of my professors helped write (Myers, David G. Psychology Seventh Edition in Modules)... I think I have it laying around here somewhere. Anyway, I'm glad that your sources add up. However, you've interpreted them very wrongly. I'll elaborate at a later date when I have more time; however, it's exam season.... :PJust at a brief glance: I wouldn't put much stock in those numbers. Kinsey did a lot to help the field of sexuality, but his statistics weren't exactly sound (think: gathering data from gay bars).
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Well like I said that book doesn’t say anything about bisexuals, as far as I could find. If you would like the debate the male female thing I'm all for that. I think it’s an interesting idea. Guys and girls should have the same rights and stuff, sure, but we definitely aren’t the same, obviously. Quote:
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Do you have any evidence for that claim, or is that just your opinion? Because if you can't provide any evidence, then we have no reason to believe you. You blatantly say that "homosexuality is not a genetic disorder," but you offer absolutely nothing supporting that idea.
I believe the general consensus is that homosexuality is the result of many factors, genes being part, prenatal and post-natal environment, and things like that. Or so it seems from the thread so far. Also, I expect this will soon be locked, as I'm sure this has already been discussed in the thread, and nothing particularly new was added as a result of this bump. |
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You've got a good eye Relambrien. However, as much as their bump was not particularly useful, I'm going to leave it open for the time being, if just because I think it was either first or second in the forum awards for best CT discussion, so potentially when Tass posts the results, some more people might poke their head in and add something more constructive.
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. Sorry.Just speculating here, but if homosexual tendencies are primarily attributed to genes, then how can people be converted (as people have been)? I mean it's ingrained in their genetic makeup.
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Primarily != Exclusively
There's no speculating how something can be primarily genetic but also a product of environment, and end up resulting as a product of your environment. It just follows from the basic premise. |
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Just a note, I read only the first page of responses so sorry if I'm repeating anything that has already been discussed.
I, myself, am a homosexual. I have many homosexual friends and I have actually been "studying" similarities and differences between myself and my gay friends. And something that I've noticed is that all of my gay friends have had some sort of family problem or a very passive fatherly figure (if one at all). I know this was certainly the case with my family, and even my cousin's family (who is a lesbian). I do not believe we are born as homosexuals. But, I do not believe that we, as people, have control over the decision to be homosexual. We have no control over the environment that we are raised in, the people who interact with us, or the family that raised us. This is a huge part of why many homosexuals are confused and a bit frustrated with people who are bashing their lifestyle, calling it unholy or blasphemous. We, as homosexuals, do not have a choice in the matter. I would bet that if you gave someone the option of being heterosexual, people would gladly change and become "normal." Who would choose to be homosexual? Who would choose to be looked down upon and unable to physically bear children and raise a family? And sorry if I am sounding like I am speaking for the entire gay population. I don't mean to come across that way. This is my opinion based on my experiences and the experiences of many others that I have met. O_o
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i hate being gay :'( i was raped as a kid and i think it influenced me as a kid
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