Old 10-27-2007, 10:57 PM   #1
Go_Oilers_Go
<<Insert Title Here>>
FFR Veteran
 
Go_Oilers_Go's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Regina, SK, Canada
Age: 31
Posts: 1,436
Default What Prompts Violence In Society?

Aside from acts of violence being spontaneous, what do you guys feel is an influence on the uprise of violence - especially on youth?

Although this isn't the greatest example, about a year ago there was some cab driver from the Middle East who was two days from getting his Canadian citizenship. He was a cab driver in Toronto, by the way. Anyhow, one night he was driving looking for fares and doing whatever cab drivers do. But on this fateful night he was hit by a car that was going way over the speed limit. The car was driven by two teens and in the front of the car was a Need for Speed game.

I feel that this example is still relevant to the thread topic because I believe that violent video games are an influence on violent acts nowadays.
Go_Oilers_Go is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2007, 11:12 PM   #2
massflavour
FFR Player
 
massflavour's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: under the coke sign
Posts: 3,103
Send a message via AIM to massflavour Send a message via MSN to massflavour
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

Imo, violent video games are what people who end up being violent (probably) tend to play in order to relieve stress, until eventually it builds up so much that they just snap. I think that people see the games in a different way. They're assuming that it's the prime contributing factor in violence in teens, which it may be a factor of, but definitely not the main cause. I think that the violence you're referring to violence is caused by stress building up from work piling up from school, or a job, and having unstable relationships (e.g. abusive parents/guardians, breaking up with their girlfriend/boyfriend). Most people might handle the two better than others, which explains why violent adolescents are a minority, although it depends what kind of violence it is. With stuff like school shootings, I'd assume that they did it cause they got picked on, had tough relationships, etc. but with stuff like just little fights, it might be over something mutual, like money, or merely to boost ego (that's what I've seen alot of, anyway).


off topic, but did you make this thread because of the recent shooting?
__________________
.

Last edited by massflavour; 10-27-2007 at 11:15 PM..
massflavour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2007, 11:24 PM   #3
Go_Oilers_Go
<<Insert Title Here>>
FFR Veteran
 
Go_Oilers_Go's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Regina, SK, Canada
Age: 31
Posts: 1,436
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

No, but now that you mention it I probably subconciously did. I can't believe that the kid would've done that. His dad told me that he just randomly went downhill really fast.
Go_Oilers_Go is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2007, 11:35 PM   #4
Maid
FFR Player
FFR Veteran
 
Maid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: 北海道 釧路
Posts: 643
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

Actually humans are inherently violent, and even more so in the past. We are less violent now, as opposed to when masses had less education.
Maid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2007, 01:41 PM   #5
Go_Oilers_Go
<<Insert Title Here>>
FFR Veteran
 
Go_Oilers_Go's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Regina, SK, Canada
Age: 31
Posts: 1,436
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

If by events in the past, you're referring to various revolutions that have taken place, I would tend to disagree with you. Although I agree that the masses did have less education in that time, I do not feel that that is the main cause of their violence. In the instances of revolution there is always a group of people that has been either oppressed or unfairly treated. However, the only way for the people to make any changes would be to violently overthrow the current regime. In the past it has also been intelligent people that have been leading these revolutions; they're not idiots. Thus, the smart people were able to spur the mob into using violent means to get what they want, and then the mob mentality kicks in. So in the instances that you're referring to then I'd have to say that the people are not inherently violent, rather, they are just doing what they see fit to create what they believe to be a just society.

Please correct me if I'm wrong and you were referring to other events in the past aside from revolutions.
Go_Oilers_Go is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2007, 01:53 PM   #6
FallenXxRaven
FFR Player
 
FallenXxRaven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: In Panic4Me's closet.
Posts: 380
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

I agree with Massflavour and Maid. Humans ARE violent creatures, though today we control it, mainly because of the justice system, IMO. If you pissed off a Roman soldier, he wouldn't ignore it or try to talk to you, he would just kill you. Even today there is little "talking", as we can see with wars and fights. We killed Saddam for things that didn't even concern us (though I'm not saying he didnt deserve it, genociadal bastard). But it shows that we ARE, in fact, violent by nature. Think about it, how many times have you thought "I'd really liek to beat the **** out of / kill that guy", but known it would land you in jail, so you didn't?

Quote:
Imo, violent video games are what people who end up being violent (probably) tend to play in order to relieve stress, until eventually it builds up so much that they just snap.
I agree. People that play violent video games to releive stress will, with enough stress buildup, probably decide to commit an act of violence. If someone gets pissed and plays Grand Theft Auto to calm down, they will probably think something along the lines of "If that's just a game, what would it feel like to really beat someone to death?" and most likely choose to find out, especially if they have a warped sense of right and wrong, which is why people who hav ehad violence in their past, whether towards them, or have seen acts of violence, are especially likely to commit an act of violence.
__________________
Chris Huntress 1:37 pm
I aaa'd vROFL
without any lube
FallenXxRaven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2007, 03:28 PM   #7
ShastaTwist
FFR Veteran
FFR Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Age: 30
Posts: 599
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

There is no way to prove that the media has really contributed to the violence that we see these days. Through studies it has been proven that people were more violent a few decades ago as opposed to now. The reason for this may be because of video games rather than not, due to the stress relieving factor that games such as CounterStrike, Halo, and Grand Theft Auto offer us. These games allow us to get our stress out in violent ways without us really having to go out and commit the violent actions in real life.

We learn more through observation, as seen in the Bobo Doll experiment by Bandura. In the experiment, children were put with either an aggressive adult who is punished, an aggressive adult who is praised, or a non-aggressive adult (control group). The study found that kids who were with the punished aggressive adult were less likely to beat up the Bobo doll while the kids who were with the praised aggressive adult were more likely to beat up the Bobo doll. The control group varied according to the child.

Thus, we learn through observation. Perhaps the first kids who committed school shootings and other violent crimes were influenced by television, but other kids who heard and saw the repercussions of the actions were discouraged to commit such crimes for fear of the punishment.

Last edited by ShastaTwist; 10-28-2007 at 03:31 PM..
ShastaTwist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2007, 04:47 PM   #8
Relambrien
FFR Player
 
Relambrien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Age: 29
Posts: 1,647
Send a message via AIM to Relambrien Send a message via MSN to Relambrien
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

I'll post in here what I posted in the Violent Video Games thread:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/gvc.htm

Violence has decreased since the early 90s, not increased. Devonin has stated that violence as reported on the news has increased 600% or something, but violence itself has decreased drastically.

So don't blame video games for an increase in violence that doesn't even exist.
Relambrien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2007, 04:49 PM   #9
massflavour
FFR Player
 
massflavour's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: under the coke sign
Posts: 3,103
Send a message via AIM to massflavour Send a message via MSN to massflavour
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

I don't recall anyone saying it has increased.

In this thread, anyway
__________________
.
massflavour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2007, 04:50 PM   #10
Relambrien
FFR Player
 
Relambrien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Age: 29
Posts: 1,647
Send a message via AIM to Relambrien Send a message via MSN to Relambrien
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

Quote:
Originally Posted by massflavour View Post
I don't recall anyone saying it has increased.
Ahem:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Go_Oilers_Go
Aside from acts of violence being spontaneous, what do you guys feel is an influence on the uprise of violence - especially on youth?
Relambrien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2007, 04:50 PM   #11
ShastaTwist
FFR Veteran
FFR Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Age: 30
Posts: 599
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Relambrien View Post
I'll post in here what I posted in the Violent Video Games thread:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/gvc.htm

Violence has decreased since the early 90s, not increased. Devonin has stated that violence as reported on the news has increased 600% or something, but violence itself has decreased drastically.

So don't blame video games for an increase in violence that doesn't even exist.
Did you read my post or are you just reiterating what I said?
ShastaTwist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2007, 04:53 PM   #12
massflavour
FFR Player
 
massflavour's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: under the coke sign
Posts: 3,103
Send a message via AIM to massflavour Send a message via MSN to massflavour
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Relambrien View Post
Ahem:
oh okay I was hoping you'd correct me if I was wrong, lol
__________________
.
massflavour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2007, 04:53 PM   #13
Relambrien
FFR Player
 
Relambrien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Age: 29
Posts: 1,647
Send a message via AIM to Relambrien Send a message via MSN to Relambrien
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShastaTwist View Post
Did you read my post or are you just reiterating what I said?
I was responding to Go_Oilers_Go and massflavour, not you. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Think of what I posted as corroborating evidence :P
Relambrien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2007, 05:31 PM   #14
lord_carbo
FFR Player
 
lord_carbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: fighting villains from afar, NJ
Age: 28
Posts: 6,223
Send a message via AIM to lord_carbo
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

Some people assume that ____s influence people to do x without assuming that their appeal to ____s may be in light of their eminent fate to do x. E.g. Say I shot a person and I like guns. I might like guns because I'm violent, but who's to say guns made me violent?
__________________
last.fm
lord_carbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2007, 06:16 PM   #15
Go_Oilers_Go
<<Insert Title Here>>
FFR Veteran
 
Go_Oilers_Go's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Regina, SK, Canada
Age: 31
Posts: 1,436
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

If, as some people argue, we are inherently violent but we control our violence through the justice system, then what is it that drives people over the edge?

This thread isn't intended to argue whether or not violence has increased or decreased; sorry if I gave the wrong impression. Rather, this thread was made to discuss what we feel are contributing causes to violence in society.
Go_Oilers_Go is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2007, 08:02 PM   #16
ShastaTwist
FFR Veteran
FFR Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Age: 30
Posts: 599
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

It doesn't have to be anything huge or detrimental that drives someone over the edge. You could just be having a bad day and something so infinitesimal as a spoon sitting on the counter could make you attack anyone in your path.

The straw that broke the camel's back, anyone?
ShastaTwist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2007, 08:10 PM   #17
Relambrien
FFR Player
 
Relambrien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Age: 29
Posts: 1,647
Send a message via AIM to Relambrien Send a message via MSN to Relambrien
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShastaTwist View Post
The straw that broke the camel's back, anyone?
Stole the words from my mouth.

Anyway, things contributing to violence in society...well, I'd have to say that competition is one. In most, if not all, species of animals, there is some kind of competition to determine which of a group is strongest or most apt. Rams headbutt each other, for instance.

Humans are similar. When someone is really annoyed or angry, and someone just does something that drives them past their limit, it's a natural instinct to prove dominance to the person who performed the act. Why? The act has the effect of an act of aggression towards the person, and so the person responds in kind, with proof of dominance through physical superiority.

That's my take on things anyway.
Relambrien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 03:15 AM   #18
MarukuAntoni
mmmMMMmmm
FFR Veteran
 
MarukuAntoni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: California
Age: 33
Posts: 522
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

someone told me that in japan, crime is lower than other countries because of the horror films they watch. they say that the gore in horror movies disgust them and therefore prevent them from committing crimes that cause others to bleed.
i find this to be a load of crap though. i think its a ploy to get others to watch japanese horror movies. however i do watch japanese horror movies because theyre cool.

many factors prompt many to commit violent acts. many say video games and parenting. it can also be the competitive spirit in others. someone talks crap about the opposing team, thus initiating a conflict with a fan of the opposing side.
__________________
IF I CAN CLIMB A TREE, I CAN CLIMB MT EVEREST. IF I CAN DRIVE A CAR, I CAN PILOT A SPACE SHUTTLE. IF I CAN PEE, I CAN BE THE PRESIDENT. IF I CAN POO, I CAN RULE THE WORLD!
MarukuAntoni is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 03:33 AM   #19
tsugomaru
FFR Player
 
tsugomaru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: The stars come to my aid.
Posts: 3,964
Send a message via AIM to tsugomaru
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

It is society itself. Go figure.

Most people who are violent have a reason to be and not only is it a reason, it's a good one. During some point of their life, they were treated very unfairly and after one violent action, that's it for them. Today's society has no mercy on the unfairly treated, no kindness is shown to the broken hearts of the assailant.

Take VATech. The guy was pretty messed up, but was it really his fault he acted the way he did? Partially yes, partially no. Sometime during his childhood, he probably wasn't accepted by his peers causing him to distrust those around him. When he got into college, people did try to reach out to him, but he turned everyone's help away.

~Tsugomaru
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiluluk
WHEN do you think people die...?
When their heart is pierced by a bullet from a pistol...? No.
When they succumb to an incurable disease...? No.
When they drink soup made with a poisonous mushroom...? NO!!!
IT'S WHEN A PERSON IS FORGOTTEN...!!!
tsugomaru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 03:45 AM   #20
ShastaTwist
FFR Veteran
FFR Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Age: 30
Posts: 599
Default Re: What Prompts Violence In Society?

Tsugomaru, we are taught the difference between "right" and "wrong" and I find it very hard to believe that these people would be able to suitably justify that their actions are "right."
ShastaTwist is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright FlashFlashRevolution